Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

I reckon Gould's fingerprints are all over this Panthers squad. He deserves plenty of credit.

If he was the one who bought in these juniors. The fact most where already in the system makes me think he was there just at the right time. I could be wrong but I doubt he recruited
Edwards,Too,Yeo,Jfh, Luai,Cleary, Leota, Martin......
Gould signed too many in 5yr deals and also some weird ones like Hiku. Ivan's made better cheap signings
Alamoti,Capewell,Garner,Sorrenson all peanuts

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I reckon Gould's fingerprints are all over this Panthers squad. He deserves plenty of credit.

Na...it's all because they got Cleary back.....just like next year when we make the finals, it's all because of Ryles......

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Without making that grand final we might not have gotten James Hardie on board. And Lomax might not have agreed to join the team. Making grand finals is a good thing, and very rare for our club. We have done it only three times since 1986 ffs.

making a GF is crap....missing the finals is better...

 

[Gronk]

This is what a halfback is worth these days.

$1m for Sam Walker. He's quite good, however put him in a Wests Tigers jumper or even Titans and maybe not so much.

‘Big win for him’: Walker’s $1m gamble pays off as Roosters star snubs rivals to sign new deal

‘Big win for him’: Walker’s $1m gamble pays off as Roosters star snubs rivals to sign new deal

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Tiger5150]

It's the senior players who improve the players around them. Look at Papali'i when he came to our club and then look at his form at the Tigers.

2024 Papali'i > 2023 Papali'i = 2022 Papali'i < 2021 Papali'i

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If he was the one who bought in these juniors. The fact most where already in the system makes me think he was there just at the right time. I could be wrong but I doubt he recruited
Edwards,Too,Yeo,Jfh, Luai,Cleary, Leota, Martin......

Gould joined them in 2011. Those players first appeared in their junior rep teams in these years:

Merkin	Year joined Penrith
Edwards	2014
To'o	2016
Yeo	2012
JFH	2014
Luai	2013
Cleary	2013
Leota	2013
Martin	2015

Only To'o and Luai were recruited from the local catchment. And Cleary who moved there from NZ with his dad. The rest were scouted from NZ or country NSW. But it's not just about recruitment, you need to retain them at a good price as well.

Gould signed too many in 5yr deals and also some weird ones like Hiku. Ivan's made better cheap signings
Alamoti,Capewell,Garner,Sorrenson all peanuts

Cleary doesn't sign players. He is the coach. The Panthers have a whole massive recruitment/retention staff whose job is to poach players and negotiate contracts. That's resources for you.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Na...it's all because they got Cleary back.....just like next year when we make the finals, it's all because of Ryles......

It's very exciting.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

2024 Papali'i > 2023 Papali'i = 2022 Papali'i < 2021 Papali'i

The merkin made 13 line breaks and scored 10 tries in 2022 ffs. He averaged 140m per game.

 

[Legal Eel]

It's very exciting.

Its going to kill the BA family (LU edition) if we are contenders next year....

 

[hindy111]

Gould joined them in 2011. Those players first appeared in their junior rep teams in these years:

Merkin	Year joined Penrith
Edwards	2014
To'o	2016
Yeo	2012
JFH	2014
Luai	2013
Cleary	2013
Leota	2013
Martin	2015

Only To'o and Luai were recruited from the local catchment. And Cleary who moved there from NZ with his dad. The rest were scouted from NZ or country NSW. But it's not just about recruitment, you need to retain them at a good price as well.

Cleary doesn't sign players. He is the coach. The Panthers have a whole massive recruitment/retention staff whose job is to poach players and negotiate contracts. That's resources for you.

They've been recruiting guys from the bush well.before Gould come. I'm asking you did he recruiting them and indetify their talent or someone else

 

[Gronk]

Its going to kill the BA family (LU edition) if we are contenders next year....

Yeah but in the tradition of Australian politics for generations, if we blow a gasket and finish the same on the table, you merkins will blame the former government coach for the legacy he left behind.

 

[Legal Eel]

Yeah but in the tradition of Australian politics for generations, if we blow a gasket and finish the same on the table, you merkins will blame the former government coach for the legacy he left behind.

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Fair call.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Its going to kill the BA family (LU edition) if we are contenders next year....

Well no, because we were contenders while he was coach as well, including immediately after a disaster season in 2018.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They've been recruiting guys from the bush well.before Gould come.

Every club recruits from the bush (and interstate, and overseas). For example our winning SG Ball side from last year had a bunch of Queenslanders and country boys. Dylan Brown was recruited from NZ.

But just because every club does it doesn't mean they can all afford the same level of resources devoted to scouting the east coast and SW Pacific for junior talent. The Panthers, Roosters and Storm blow the other clubs out of the water for this stuff.

I'm asking you did he recruiting them and indetify their talent or someone else

He hired the merkins whose job it is to recruit talent. Just like the coach, the GM football doesn't do everything. Big clubs with a lot of resources have a lot of staff to do all this work. You need to listen to the podcast interview with Bernie Gurr.

 

[Zoso]

If you consider that we shat the bed against teams we were expected to beat, can you not see how teams like Penrith and Melbourne shat the bed against us? If you stop focusing on looking for a scapegoat and take an objective view, every team underperforms at times. That's how we beat superior opponents.

We beat the panthers at home in round 26 of 2023 (where they were playing for the minor premiership, which they eventually won due to Brisbane losing to Melbourne in round 27) and at home again in 2024. And we are also one of only a couple of teams that have beat them at home.
They either constantly shit the bed against us or we were good when we wanted to be.
I provided a few possible reasons for recent failures and in the next post I suggested it was the “club collectively and probably the coach” so not looking for a scapegoat; to me our failures are collective efforts with a multiple factors.
In which case, we probably agree Pou!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We beat the panthers at home in round 26 of 2023 (where they were playing for the minor premiership, which they eventually won due to Brisbane losing to Melbourne in round 27) and at home again in 2024. And we are also one of only a couple of teams that have beat them at home.
They either constantly shit the bed against us or we were good when we wanted to be.

Well surely we always want to be good.

I provided a few possible reasons for recent failures and in the next post I suggested it was the “club collectively and probably the coach” so not looking for a scapegoat; to me our failures are collective efforts with a multiple factors.
In which case, we probably agree Pou!

Let's disagree to agree

 

[JokerEel]

Jim Jones is the Panfers recruitment manager was employed before Gould turned up in 2011..


Gould was sacked because he was wearing out his welcome..

 

[Chipmunk]

The Panthers are where they are today because of Gus...otherwise, why weren't they just as successful before he got there?

To implement the strategy they have, it takes a very patient and long term commitment, as you won't see the results for a decade, as we are now.

It'll likely happen again the Dogs, but again, most of the success will come once Gus has walked out the door.

 

[JokerEel]

The Panthers are where they are today because of Gus...otherwise, why weren't they just as successful before he got there?

To implement the strategy they have, it takes a very patient and long term commitment, as you won't see the results for a decade, as we are now.

It'll likely happen again the Dogs, but again, most of the success will come once Gus has walked out the door.

Gus was just a piece of the puzzle..

Ivan doesn't come to the Riff when he does there is no Nathan.

If Gus doesn't put in place the right people they don't start the process..

Dogs may have success but they may not what works at one club may not work at another..

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Well no, because we were contenders while he was coach as well, including immediately after a disaster season in 2018.

You hate when Parra win. So do I. Before 2014 I wanted nothing but losses, now I also want nothing but losses. I hate the team I support.