Rumours and Stuff

[The Predictor]

FMD this place absolutely sucks…..all the best, go Parra!!!

 

[King-Gutho94]

Even during his mediocre years he made a grand final.

Prelim finals in 2008, 2011 & 2014.

Beat the minor premiers in those 3 finals series on the road with inferior opposition 2 of them in Melbourne

Ivan must have got lucky each time he came up against the Minor Premiers in those finals series.

In fact Ivan Cleary has never lost a finals match when he has come up against the Minor Premiers in that final series.

A Generational coach if you ask me

2008 v Melbourne - Week 1 at the Warriors - WON
2011 v Melbourne - Week 3 at the Warriors - WON
2014 v Sydney Roosters - Week 1 at the Panthers - WON
2021 v Melbourne - Week 3 at the Panthers - WON
2024 v Melbourne - Grand Final at the Panthers - WON

 

[hineyrulz]

Prelim finals in 2008, 2011 & 2014.

Beat the minor premiers in those 3 finals series on the road with inferior opposition 2 of them in Melbourne

Ivan must have got lucky each time he came up against the Minor Premiers in those finals series.

In fact Ivan Cleary has never lost a finals match when he has come up against the Minor Premiers in that final series.

A Generational coach if you ask me

2008 v Melbourne - Week 1 at the Warriors - WON
2011 v Melbourne - Week 3 at the Warriors - WON
2014 v Sydney Roosters - Week 1 at the Panthers - WON
2021 v Melbourne - Week 3 at the Panthers - WON
2024 v Melbourne - Grand Final at the Panthers - WON

Remember the excuses for poor Brad was we keep coming up against he good teams??? lol.

That’s what happens when you are inconsistent and struggle to finish in the top 4. Never his fault though just bad luck and a lack of resources.

 

[84 Baby]

I think it might be the same for posting on LU.

But what one doesn't want is 20 years of posting, and still being tonked. By that stage, something needs to change....

Remember when threads had a finite amount of posts? Those were the good old days with the good old posters

 

[T.S Quint]

That's taking over 3 different clubs struggling and building them. Of course the first few yrs will be worse so you
Just can't compare it. Better would be using BAs first 3 yrs and multiplying that x3 I guess.

Are you saying that circumstances play a part in whether a coach is successful or not?

How about circumstances such as board infighting, salary cap punishments, heavy injury tolls to key players, lack of funding in certain areas of the club, suspensions for off-field incidents, star players leaving the club at the last minute, etc?

Would you say those might be the kind of circumstances that may impact a coach’s ability to win games?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's taking over 3 different clubs struggling and building them. Of course the first few yrs will be worse

Why would the first few years be worse? Plenty of coaches have had the most success in their first few years:

Bennett
Hagan
Stuart
Hasler
Maguire
Green

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Even during his mediocre years he made a grand final.

Is making a grand final an achievement now?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Wow Kearney had a better record somewhere else than here, simply amazing!!

So did Hagan, Anderson and Stuart. Brad Arthur is about to experience the same phenomenon. Massive coincidence!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Many rave over Gould, a legend in his own mind, and how he established pathways, etc. A reckon other people did that but he'll take the credit anyway. I keep telling everyone Gould is a death rider. He undermined Cleary in his first stint at Penrith as he did their other coaches there, which he appointed. Only once the board woke up and appointed Cleary, against his wishes, and get rid of him did Cleary achieve success. Wonder if he will do that at the Dogs or has finally learnt his lesson? Or is he the one buying and selling their players?

Cleary had mediocre results long before he had anything to with Gould's Penrith. It's Gould who built the current Panthers machine, not Cleary.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Prelim finals in 2008, 2011 & 2014.

Beat the minor premiers in those 3 finals series on the road with inferior opposition 2 of them in Melbourne

Ivan must have got lucky each time he came up against the Minor Premiers in those finals series.

In fact Ivan Cleary has never lost a finals match when he has come up against the Minor Premiers in that final series.

A Generational coach if you ask me

2008 v Melbourne - Week 1 at the Warriors - WON
2011 v Melbourne - Week 3 at the Warriors - WON
2014 v Sydney Roosters - Week 1 at the Panthers - WON
2021 v Melbourne - Week 3 at the Panthers - WON
2024 v Melbourne - Grand Final at the Panthers - WON

Five games is a shithouse sample. Stats like this are a gimmick, not meaningful data.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Remember the excuses for poor Brad was we keep coming up against he good teams??? lol.

That’s what happens when you are inconsistent and struggle to finish in the top 4. Never his fault though just bad luck and a lack of resources.

Inconsistency is a feature of average teams. Honestly, when did we ever have a genuine top four roster? If you're being realistic the answer is 1986.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Are you saying that circumstances play a part in whether a coach is successful or not?

How about circumstances such as board infighting, salary cap punishments, heavy injury tolls to key players, lack of funding in certain areas of the club, suspensions for off-field incidents, star players leaving the club at the last minute, etc?

Would you say those might be the kind of circumstances that may impact a coach’s ability to win games?

It might even explain why Cleary was so mediocre for his first 14 seasons.

 

[hineyrulz]

So did Hagan, Anderson and Stuart. Brad Arthur is about to experience the same phenomenon. Massive coincidence!

Brian Smith seemed to do ok here, Ando made a GF before he was undermined. Keep spinning shit for your failed hero.

 

[hineyrulz]

Inconsistency is a feature of average teams. Honestly, when did we ever have a genuine top four roster? If you're being realistic the answer is 1986.

You reckon we didn’t have a top 4 roster from 2020/22??? We didn’t with Baldie in charge that’s for sure.

 

[hineyrulz]

 

[hindy111]

Remember when threads had a finite amount of posts? Those were the good old days with the good old posters

Those where the days

 

[hindy111]

Are you saying that circumstances play a part in whether a coach is successful or not?

How about circumstances such as board infighting, salary cap punishments, heavy injury tolls to key players, lack of funding in certain areas of the club, suspensions for off-field incidents, star players leaving the club at the last minute, etc?

Would you say those might be the kind of circumstances that may impact a coach’s ability to win games?

Yes they do. It's why I've used points differential to have raw data to disect this stuff.
Look its complicated

 

[84 Baby]

Inconsistency is a feature of average teams. Honestly, when did we ever have a genuine top four roster? If you're being realistic the answer is 1986.

1992

 

[T.S Quint]

Yes they do. It's why I've used points differential to have raw data to disect this stuff.
Look its complicated

Well, I also used points differential to look at Cleary’s raw data.

How did they stack up against each other?

 

[JokerEel]

It’s impressive how Cleary went from being such a mediocre coach to such a great one in the last five years.

Can't be resources NZ is a big country

Its almost like he went to a team that had a system ready to be implemented that wasn't the same as every other club..

Build from within