Rumours and Stuff

[Incorrect]

See, I still don’t think we would. It’s a terrible business strategy from a planning perspective and I reckon we’d prefer to allocate more cap space to Grant for a guaranteed number of years, rather than going down the PO path. If he declines then we’d move on.

The fact that we’re looking to remove Moses’ PO suggests the same as he is a better and more valuable commodity than Grant.

The second paragraph of your post was easily the most insightful part....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

See, I still don’t think we would. It’s a terrible business strategy from a planning perspective and I reckon we’d prefer to allocate more cap space to Grant for a guaranteed number of years, rather than going down the PO path. If he declines then we’d move on.

The fact that we’re looking to remove Moses’ PO suggests the same as he is a better and more valuable commodity than Grant.

We can’t remove his option. He will either activate it, sign a new contract, or leave.

 

[Incorrect]

We can’t remove his option. He will either activate it, sign a new contract, or leave.

Semantics. You know what he means.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well Melbourne gave him one, so it can’t be that stupid.
And why would we move on to a lesser player when we could sign the best? All we need to do is give him an option for an extra year (or two). Can you imagine the media and Eels fans finding out that the club had the chance to sign him but didn’t because we flat-out refused to give him a PO?

They will whinge no matter what the club does. The problem isn’t the options, the problem is that we only won seven games last year. Did the contract options cause the lack of wins? More likely is they are both a symptom of the salary cap pressure the club found itself under at the end of 2021.

 

[AnonymousLurker]

Gould finds it hard because no one sees out their contracts , he moves players on all the time plus coaches

I've heard Gould talk about how difficult it is managing a salary cap and building a squad, length of contracts and knowing what Juniors will be ready that you don't want to lose.
He also has mentioned how POs add to the complications and make it almost impossible to plan.

Yes I firmly beleive we lost some quality spine players recently due to POs and unable to plan.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Semantics. You know what he means.

I know what he means doesn’t make sense. The option will disappear whether he activates it or signs a new contract. There is no need to remove the option.

 

[Happy MEel]

We can’t remove his option. He will either activate it, sign a new contract, or leave.

So what you’re saying is that if we offer a new contract and he accepts, the PO is removed. I’m not sure how that differs from what I said. I understand the workings of this process.

 

[84 Baby]

Funny

Lozza does a good Tommy impersonation

 

[84 Baby]

Can you imagine the media and Eels fans finding out that the club had the chance to sign him but didn’t because we flat-out refused to give him a PO?

I look forward to when it inevitably happens

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I've heard Gould talk about how difficult it is managing a salary cap and building a squad, length of contracts and knowing what Juniors will be ready that you don't want to lose.
He also has mentioned how POs add to the complications and make it almost impossible to plan.

Yes I firmly beleive we lost some quality spine players recently due to POs and unable to plan.

We would’ve been unable to plan anyway because they were off contract. The only option we (the club) lost due to the POs for Moses and Drown was the option of getting rid of them. Do you really think that was a realistic option? Just to keep Talagi and/or Sanders?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So what you’re saying is that if we offer a new contract and he accepts, the PO is removed. I’m not sure how that differs from what I said.

If we don’t offer a new contract, or we offer one and he refuses, the PO will still be ‘removed’, whether he activates it or not. If he activates it, it is gone, and if he doesn’t it will expire.

I understand the workings of this process.

The workings aren’t in dispute. What we disagree on is the implications. The only thing the club gives up with a PO is the option of getting rid of the player if we don’t want to keep him. Yes it’s a risk, and that is understood during negotiations. The player gains something of value while the club takes on some risk. Therefore there must be some commensurate benefit to the club, and corresponding cost to the player. This is a fundamental element of negotiations.

 

[Avenger]

I wouldn’t take Mahoney back. I’d rather stick with Hands and Riley Smith than the antagonist speed bump.

 

[Happy MEel]

We would’ve been unable to plan anyway because they were off contract. The only option we (the club) lost due to the POs for Moses and Drown was the option of getting rid of them. Do you really think that was a realistic option? Just to keep Talagi and/or Sanders?

Drown - yes, Moses - No. It also didn’t just have to be to be those two as the only alternatives.

 

[Happy MEel]

If we don’t offer a new contract, or we offer one and he refuses, the PO will still be ‘removed’, whether he activates it or not. If he activates it, it is gone, and if he doesn’t it will expire.

So you’re saying offering a new contract now could potentially “remove” the PO.

The fact that we’re looking to remove Moses’ PO suggests the same as he is a better and more valuable commodity than Grant.

I’m glad that’s cleared up.

You’re taking the piss Pou

 

[Gronk]

In the latest Jam & Cheese podcast, they spoke about Christian Welsh and his retirement, how it must have been hard to retire considering Storm are in a premiership window AND that he had a player option.

 

[emjaycee]

In the latest Jam & Cheese podcast, they spoke about Christian Welsh and his retirement, how it must have been hard to retire considering Storm are in a premiership window AND that he had a player option.

Does that mean he (Welch) has had 2 PO's in consecutive contracts? He activated one when he did his ACL and was close to coming to us didn't he?

 

[RustedonEel]

Does that mean he (Welch) has had 2 PO's in consecutive contracts? He activated one when he did his ACL and was close to coming to us didn't he?

Thank God we missed what would have ended up a MON masterstroke.

 

[King-Gutho94]

The selfish rotted culture in the joint for the past decade was poetic with all these POs.

The culture started from the coach, captain & all the senior players and its festered from there.

The fact the club has basically implied it wont be doing it moving forward is a huge culture shift and a shot across the bow to the playing squad.

Buy in or piss off

 

[Tiger5150]

not the smartest thing Bert has said, no one has offered him $1.2M

A list of smart things that Bert said would be a very short list....

Dumbest things on the other hand...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Drown - yes, Moses - No. It also didn’t just have to be to be those two as the only alternatives.

Suppose Drown had just signed, at the end of 2022, a nine year contract with no options. We would still be stuck with him.