The Swamp

[JokerEel]

Looks like you are slowly getting it. Yes it all happened DURING the term of the contract that was deducted from the cap.

So he never had a concussion before his latest contract... Yeah ok......

 

[Tiger5150]

You are right you and Pou are really thick..

The NRL won't stand in anyone's way of being medically retired from a concussion..

That's the point..

Of course the NRL wont stand in anyones way of being medically retired for concussions. I have never argued otherwise.

They do have a rule though that determines whether the salary comes of the clubs cap. Whats the point of having a rule.

 

[Tiger5150]

This is a fascinating discussion - but surely you would know that it would be almost impossible to prove that the Kafusi tackle was the definitive concussion that lead to retirement.
Especially since Matto has since played.

Matto has played since. Then he took 4 weeks off in 2024 specifically because of concussion during which Parra sent him off for neurological testing. Parra have since signed a new Contract with him.

And even if the NRL could prove that
Wouldn't they then be under a duty of care issue where they let a player who should have retired play on (and so it might be in their best interests to say 'new injury medial retirement')

It is not a "duty of care" issue in any way. If Ryan Matterson, Boyd Cordner or any other player is having serious concussion issues, IMO they should retire immediately. Life is short but long enough that CTE would be a bitch. It is not a duty of care issue because if they retire, the player gets paid in full anyway, either by the club or the insurance company or a bit of both.

The only question is whether Parra would get the money off the cap and under the rules of PCR 86 (Medical termination), after Parra signed him in 2025, less than a year of him having a month off for concussion, neurological testing, 4 years after the Kaufusi tackle, 6 years after leaving the Tigers because he didnt think the Tigers treated his concussion issues properly.....yeah nah.

It would seem a fairly open/shut case of 'new concussion/ medical retirement'.
If that is the current issue (or is it his back?)

He had 4 weeks off for concussion and testing in 2024. It is a pre-existing condition that Parra knew about when they signed him in 2025.

Who knows - he may just be a pea-heart?? Unfortunately that isn't a new medical issue, he clearly developed it at Wests and brought it here with him.

Pea heart was a pre-existing condition that he had when he signed his Contract with the Tigers otherwise we would have got the cap exemption clearly.

 

[JokerEel]

Of course the NRL wont stand in anyones way of being medically retired for concussions. I have never argued otherwise.

They do have a rule though that determines whether the salary comes of the clubs cap. Whats the point of having a rule.

When was the last time a player medically retired from the NRL due to concussions and was covered in the club's cap?

 

[Tiger5150]

So he never had a concussion before his latest contract... Yeah ok......

Every player gets a concussion, its only an issue if its bad enough to prevent a player playing or becomes recurrent, which happened during Cordners final Contract and happened during Mattersons second last Contract. ITs not complicated.

 

[JokerEel]

Matto has played since. Then he took 4 weeks off in 2024 specifically because of concussion during which Parra sent him off for neurological testing. Parra have since signed a new Contract with him.



It is not a "duty of care" issue in any way. If Ryan Matterson, Boyd Cordner or any other player is having serious concussion issues, IMO they should retire immediately. Life is short but long enough that CTE would be a bitch. It is not a duty of care issue because if they retire, the player gets paid in full anyway, either by the club or the insurance company or a bit of both.

The only question is whether Parra would get the money off the cap and under the rules of PCR 86 (Medical termination), after Parra signed him in 2025, less than a year of him having a month off for concussion, neurological testing, 4 years after the Kaufusi tackle, 6 years after leaving the Tigers because he didnt think the Tigers treated his concussion issues properly.....yeah nah.



He had 4 weeks off for concussion and testing in 2024. It is a pre-existing condition that Parra knew about when they signed him in 2025.

Pea heart was a pre-existing condition that he had when he signed his Contract with the Tigers otherwise we would have got the cap exemption clearly.

So Roosters resigned Cornder in 2018 for a 5 year deal and he didn't suffer from a concussion prior? Jake Friend?

 

[Tiger5150]

When was the last time a player medically retired from the NRL due to concussions and was covered in the club's cap?

Good question.

I know a better question (more pertinent).
When was the last time a player had recurrent concussion to the point where they had to take an extended break from the game and have neurological testing.....then the club signed them to a new contract......and then medically retired them for concussion and tried to get the contract they signed after neurological testing taken off the cap?

That would be a shorter list I'd imagine.

 

[JokerEel]

Every player gets a concussion, its only an issue if its bad enough to prevent a player playing or becomes recurrent, which happened during Cordners final Contract and happened during Mattersons second last Contract. ITs not complicated.

If it's bad enough... We know absolutely f**k all on head injuries...

Forgot you're an expert in brains... Especially when you don't seem to have one ..

You are still arguing and comparing a head injury to another type of injury which is completely wrong..

 

[Tiger5150]

So Roosters resigned Cornder in 2018 for a 5 year deal and he didn't suffer from a concussion prior? Jake Friend?

Did Cordner take an extended break from the game due to concussions prior to signing his last Contract?

 

[JokerEel]

Good question.

I know a better question (more pertinent).
When was the last time a player had recurrent concussion to the point where they had to take an extended break from the game and have neurological testing.....then the club signed them to a new contract......and then medically retired them for concussion and tried to get the contract they signed after neurological testing taken off the cap?

That would be a shorter list I'd imagine.

When did the club resign Matto (2022 till end of 26) when did Matto get the tests(2024)

 

[Tiger5150]

Not sure on how legit it is but there’s a rumour going around online that Moses is having surgery on his foot and will be out for a few more months. Lines up with what @Stevie said could happen

Just as well Moses hurt his foot after signing his massive new deal.

 

[JokerEel]

Did Cordner take an extended break from the game due to concussions prior to signing his last Contract?

What's that got to do with anything?

Did he have concussions prior to signing his last contact?

 

[Tiger5150]

When did the club resign Matto (2022 till end of 26) when did Matto get the tests(2024)

The PO for 2026 is a new Contact

 

[JokerEel]

The PO for 2026 is a new Contact

Not a new contract it's an option until the end of 26

 

[Tiger5150]

If it's bad enough... We know absolutely f**k all on head injuries...

Forgot you're an expert in brains... Especially when you don't seem to have one ..

You are still arguing and comparing a head injury to another type of injury which is completely wrong..

Serious question Doc. Why?

Why is a head injury any different to a knee or shoulder? Because the repercussions are worse? I'd agree with that but its still an injury.

I know ex footballers who cant lift above their shoulders or who cant walk properly or without pain due to injuries and this will be life long and life changing injuries. I agree that damage from concussions and CTE are similarly and worse in their life changing aspects, but still an injury. Every injury, be it a knee, shoulder, head is going to have consequences for a player post career and the players should be constantly be carrying out a cost / benefit analysis as to whether they should continue. IMO if Matterson is having ungoing issues from concussion he should retire immediately and be paid in full. Its not difficult.

The mechanism for concussion based head injuries are no different to a shoulder or knee with many smaller impact causing smaller injuries and weaknesses that are cumulative until catastrophic.

For the THOUSANDTH(give or take) time, I am NOT arguing that Matterson cant retire due to concussions (IMO he should) but IMO under the rules Parra shouldnt get a cap exemption.

 

[Tiger5150]

Not a new contract it's an option until the end of 26

Of course its a new Contract. Did Matto get a medical? Is there consideration on both sides, is the Contract actionable?

Are you telling me that if Matto turns up with ACL, PCL and MCL's ruptured in both knees and says to the club, "I think I'll take up that option please" the Contract is actionable and executed?

 

[JokerEel]

Serious question Doc. Why?

Why is a head injury any different to a knee or shoulder? Because the repercussions are worse? I'd agree with that but its still an injury.

I know ex footballers who cant lift above their shoulders or who cant walk properly or without pain due to injuries and this will be life long and life changing injuries. I agree that damage from concussions and CTE are similarly and worse in their life changing aspects, but still an injury. Every injury, be it a knee, shoulder, head is going to have consequences for a player post career and the players should be constantly be carrying out a cost / benefit analysis as to whether they should continue. IMO if Matterson is having ungoing issues from concussion he should retire immediately and be paid in full. Its not difficult.

The mechanism for concussion based head injuries are no different to a shoulder or knee with many smaller impact causing smaller injuries and weaknesses that are cumulative until catastrophic.

For the THOUSANDTH(give or take) time, I am NOT arguing that Matterson cant retire due to concussions (IMO he should) but IMO under the rules Parra shouldnt get a cap exemption.

Let's ignore the rest as you are an ignorant idiot.

Under the rules that allowed Corderner to retire and have his salary exempt from the cap?
Jake Friend?

 

[JokerEel]

Of course its a new Contract. Did Matto get a medical? Is there consideration on both sides, is the Contract actionable?

Did the Eels get a chance to not resign him post the 2024 concussion? Or did Matto take up his option?

 

[Chipmunk]

Just as well Moses hurt his foot after signing his massive new deal.

He likely cost himself money once Brown decided to leave, injured or not.

 

[Tiger5150]

Let's ignore the rest as you are an ignorant idiot.

Glad to see you can discuss a subject that has nothing to do with you or your loved ones without resorting to childish personal attacks. R U OK?

You didnt even attempt to answer my questions yet somehow I am the ignorant one? I'd suggest you go away and research the meaning of ignorance.....look up irony while you are there.

Under the rules that allowed Corderner to retire and have his salary exempt from the cap?

Yes. As I have clearly explained.

Jake Friend?

Jake Friend? The Roosters player who had to medically retire due to recurrent concussions, who got paid in full for his Contract sum and for who the Roosters had $0 deducted from their salary cap?