Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

lets hope we dont lose the whole backline then

I’d say every club Is hoping that.

 

[hindy111]

I would say every team if they suffer 2 injuries at the same position are either going to have to force a good player into a bad position (2nd rower playing centre, prop playing 2nd row) or otherwise pick a player who at best (but unlikely to be) is their 19th best player. Salary cap would probably start to even talent spread better around there so a team’s 19th best player is likely to be somewhere between the 300th to 350th best player in comp.

But really if a team is losing say 2 outside backs, their replacement is more likely going to be 20th something player in squad. Regardless of team that’s going to be more between 400th to 500th best player in comp.

That can be mitigated with some youth but just because they’re young doesn’t guarantee they’ll be better than the other bottom 100 players and also isn’t that what we have done anyway with Renisini, Nanva? And even if they aren’t the answer, the fix there is a deeper process because going to market to replace that level means paying overs or getting worse players (or at least not better). Better to self develop the replacements (or go to market at younger age group).

The problem isn’t at that level. It’s the likely value will get out of Simonsson this year that’s the issue. Somewhat mitigated by the likely value we get out of Russell.

But I’m sure even if we replaced Simonsson with a starting left centre, posters would complain that Russell isn’t a good enough backup outside back

I think a huge problems is we haven't produced hardly any backs of any real quality in the last 15yrs. Semi was over 12yrs ago now.
This comes down to the guys recruiting juniors and developing them imo.
Look at Penrith backs. By time hit NRL they all have a handy short kicking game. Tago,Mclean,Alamoti,Crighton,Jenkins.... This is coaching. They are being taught correctly.
I do have faith though. Weve lost 11yrs and its going to take time to fix.

 

[85 Baby]

100% solid analysis but this will go over most merkins’ heads.

What the f**k did you call me?

 

[85 Baby]

I think a huge problems is we haven't produced hardly any backs of any real quality in the last 15yrs. Semi was over 12yrs ago now.
This comes down to the guys recruiting juniors and developing them imo.
Look at Penrith backs. By time hit NRL they all have a handy short kicking game. Tago,Mclean,Alamoti,Crighton,Jenkins.... This is coaching. They are being taught correctly.
I do have faith though. Weve lost 11yrs and its going to take time to fix.

Yes it is but also we don’t correct that by signing Tommy Talau to replace Jake Tago.
But also stop fellating the Smugs.
Who gives a f**k about their short kicking game? And Alamoti had already played first grade.

 

[Pazza]

I think a huge problems is we haven't produced hardly any backs of any real quality in the last 15yrs. Semi was over 12yrs ago now.
This comes down to the guys recruiting juniors and developing them imo.
Look at Penrith backs. By time hit NRL they all have a handy short kicking game. Tago,Mclean,Alamoti,Crighton,Jenkins.... This is coaching. They are being taught correctly.
I do have faith though. Weve lost 11yrs and its going to take time to fix.

bevan french was so hot for a short period

12 years for semi, that blows my mind.

we need to do so much better

 

[hindy111]

Yes it is but also we don’t correct that by signing Tommy Talau to replace Jake Tago.
But also stop fellating the Smugs.
Who gives a f**k about their short kicking game? And Alamoti had already played first grade.

I do. Every centre and Wing should have the ability to roll the ball into the in goal as they often will have ball in hand on last.
The fact Will and Russel and nearly all our junior backs we've produced aren't capable of this tells me we aren't at the same level of training and development. It isn't just a fluke.
Small details is what wins premierships. Think how only a few wingers used to be able to do the spectacular one handed finishes. Now all just about can.
Coaching and practise.

 

[hineyrulz]

bevan french was so hot for a short period

12 years for semi, that blows my mind.

we need to do so much better

Development club.

 

[Eelogical]

I do. Every centre and Wing should have the ability to roll the ball into the in goal as they often will have ball in hand on last.
The fact Will and Russel and nearly all our junior backs we've produced aren't capable of this tells me we aren't at the same level of training and development. It isn't just a fluke.
Small details is what wins premierships. Think how only a few wingers used to be able to do the spectacular one handed finishes. Now all just about can.
Coaching and practise.

Surely our Centre Of Excellence must be looking at the likes of yourself to take our lads to the next level.

 

[RealdEel]

Maybe not a starting outside back, but he is a backup.

They are already ok NSW Cup players and still in their early 20s. Are you suggesting they won’t improve?

That’s because he’s too good to be a backup ffs. The opposite of a ‘pretty poor backup’.

I think it's your rule that states that they won't improve as they are already 20.

 

[Pazza]

I do. Every centre and Wing should have the ability to roll the ball into the in goal as they often will have ball in hand on last.
The fact Will and Russel and nearly all our junior backs we've produced aren't capable of this tells me we aren't at the same level of training and development. It isn't just a fluke.
Small details is what wins premierships. Think how only a few wingers used to be able to do the spectacular one handed finishes. Now all just about can.
Coaching and practise.

nice work by sean there

 

[RealdEel]

Maybe not a starting outside back, but he is a backup.

They are already ok NSW Cup players and still in their early 20s. Are you suggesting they won’t improve?

That’s because he’s too good to be a backup ffs. The opposite of a ‘pretty poor backup’.

I think it's your rule that states that they won't improve as they are already 20.

 

[RealdEel]

Only if we’re missing Lomax, Penisini, Russell or JAC so I think it was pertinent for Pou to list all of them.
Tago at best is going to be 8th on list and even then with Ryles’ youth promotion I reckon both Penisini and Nanva would be ahead of him. Possibly others too.
Depth only matters if you need to replace a top 17 player. Sure you’d like your first couple of backups to be capable, but if you’re having to reach to your 5th best right winger then it’s not up to that player to perform a miracle, it’s up to having a good system and the rest of normal 17 to lift to cover gaps. Whoever Smugs or Boncos bring up in that spot aren’t going to be any better than who we do, they’ll just do better at not leaving them exposed.

We could be missing both JAC and Lomax through the season with SOO.

You really want to be having some younger players pushing through to CUP when I say young 18-19..

We don't have that this year unfortunately maybe next year..

 

[Eelogical]

We could be missing both JAC and Lomax through the season with SOO.

You really want to be having some younger players pushing through to CUP when I say young 18-19..

We don't have that this year unfortunately maybe next year..

I don't think either will be playing Origin. JAC is getting too old so they will be looking at newcomers. Lomax? He couldn't kick a barn door if he had it by the handle when it matters in SOO. At best/worst we'll have Moses sit out game 1 when the current OZ #7 folds again.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think a huge problems is we haven't produced hardly any backs of any real quality in the last 15yrs. Semi was over 12yrs ago now.
This comes down to the guys recruiting juniors and developing them imo.
Look at Penrith backs. By time hit NRL they all have a handy short kicking game. Tago,Mclean,Alamoti,Crighton,Jenkins.... This is coaching. They are being taught correctly.
I do have faith though. Weve lost 11yrs and its going to take time to fix.

They all have a garbage short kicking game, which is why they’re outside backs. It’s why they hardly ever kick, because it’s a high risk play when they do it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

bevan french was so hot for a short period

12 years for semi, that blows my mind.

we need to do so much better

Whenever we produce star outside backs they end up in the NFL or French rugby. We’re better off just buying them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The fact Will and Russel and nearly all our junior backs we've produced aren't capable of this

Everyone is capable of doing a short kick. It’s just that it’s a high risk play and better defensive sides can afford to take more risks.

 

[Pazza]

Whenever we produce star outside backs they end up in the NFL or French rugby. We’re better off just buying them.

should cook up some one year deals

 

[hindy111]

Everyone is capable of doing a short kick. It’s just that it’s a high risk play and better defensive sides can afford to take more risks.

It is no risk when it is your only option on the last just like the superman dive for corner.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think it's your rule that states that they won't improve as they are already 20.

It's definitely not my rule and I'm inclined to believe it's my fault that you misunderstand my point about debut age vs peak age. But then I remember most of these merkins understand these concepts just fine and it's actually you who's the problem.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think it's your rule that states that they won't improve as they are already 20.

Come again?