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Stevie

Bench
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Hahahaha sorry I had a very, very rare sleep in. Same person from inside the club shared this as things I have shared previously.

I’ll do my best to remember as I had a thousand beers yesterday. Should have not put my Ring cameras on mute lol.

Feedback I got was a lot of frustration between the playing group and Jim CEO, Mon, Ben Rogers is it?, and some other guy from R&R.

Matto has openly told pretty much anyone that he is “collecting his paycheque”. He is not necessarily seen as disliked as he gives the impression of caring more about family and his devotion to religion. Massively upsetting to hear we waste a top 30 spot in him though.

Mitch Moses is intense, like really intense internally. Was told he was picked because he is our best player, not because he is our best leader. In fact, far from it.

Moses is apparently VERY pissed off with the club atm. We have got “a shitload of cap space” but I was told we haven’t even come close to landing one. The only thing of note we’ve really landed was Pezet who is a rookie and gone after his learning year with the club.

An example I was told was when Talagi was being courted to stay, we rolled out Steve Ella. The comment was no disrespect to Steve Ella, but Talagi didn’t even know who he was, let alone admired him. Penrith rolled out Nathan Cleary and it was a no contest!

We have this new super impressive training facility and wonderful setup, loads of cap, great brand but I was told “no one wants to come to Parramatta”.

The thought from the playing group is one of frustration and anger around the squad and depth. There have been times when they finish training and all put their hands in and say “1,2,3 f**k Jim!”. I can only assume this is not around JR but I didn’t ask.

Ryles plays an extremely structured footy and outgoing players have openly criticised the lack of “off the cuff” footy with offloads. Dylan Brown despite getting a massive offer was not enjoying the style of football much. Carty has been very open with his criticism of the teams style. My comments to this was the older style of footy won us nothing and we agreed.

There is a school of thought we are effectively playing a very Melbourne style without the cattle to make it effective. I’m told that’s the thought from Moses and a couple senior players.

I am not implying they are unhappy under Ryles, that’s not was not what was said to me I want to be clear on that. In fact the feedback was the “footy culture” seems really good. But there is significant disharmony between the playing group and Jim and Co.

Players are concerned about the impression people aren’t lining up to knock on our door. None of the Melbourne players had any interest in us with the Lomax swap.

This could absolutely be Juniors last season, but he may go another one. Apparently BA is still a “fatherly figure” to Junior and they talk every day. There is a thought BA will take him wherever he is in an immediate coaching capacity. I believe this will be a huge opportunity missed if it happens.

I was told Gutho absolutely hates Parra now. He has told others he will not have anything to do with the club post football which although I’m not a huge fan of him personally he was our best player for a very long time. He is far from a leader though but I had suspected that. There is a school of thought he should have been playing centre and at the same time been able to turbocharge Ionghi’s development whilst finishing as a Parra legend, that’s all gone now.

The comments to me are that we don’t really have any legends of the club that are relevant. We have Cayliss, Burt, etc but they are hardly considered legends of the game broadly speaking and even Hindy never won a competition. We just don’t have the strategy or firepower.

I’m sure there is more stuff I’ll remember but wanted to share. I’ve tried to seperate my opinions for another post and keep this as close to how it was said to me directly.

Hope you guys bloody appreciate this effort during my headache lol.
 

hineyrulz

Post Whore
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How can anyone critical of our style of footy after 11 years of Baldball???

I thought once Moses got back into the swings by the back end of the season we were playing an enjoyable style of footy. I don't blame anyone critical of Jim,MON and his buddy Rogers they just aren't up to it. They can only recruit cast off's and also rans.
 

85 Baby

Bench
Messages
2,897
Hahahaha sorry I had a very, very rare sleep in. Same person from inside the club shared this as things I have shared previously.

I’ll do my best to remember as I had a thousand beers yesterday. Should have not put my Ring cameras on mute lol.

Feedback I got was a lot of frustration between the playing group and Jim CEO, Mon, Ben Rogers is it?, and some other guy from R&R.

Matto has openly told pretty much anyone that he is “collecting his paycheque”. He is not necessarily seen as disliked as he gives the impression of caring more about family and his devotion to religion. Massively upsetting to hear we waste a top 30 spot in him though.

Mitch Moses is intense, like really intense internally. Was told he was picked because he is our best player, not because he is our best leader. In fact, far from it.

Moses is apparently VERY pissed off with the club atm. We have got “a shitload of cap space” but I was told we haven’t even come close to landing one. The only thing of note we’ve really landed was Pezet who is a rookie and gone after his learning year with the club.

An example I was told was when Talagi was being courted to stay, we rolled out Steve Ella. The comment was no disrespect to Steve Ella, but Talagi didn’t even know who he was, let alone admired him. Penrith rolled out Nathan Cleary and it was a no contest!

We have this new super impressive training facility and wonderful setup, loads of cap, great brand but I was told “no one wants to come to Parramatta”.

The thought from the playing group is one of frustration and anger around the squad and depth. There have been times when they finish training and all put their hands in and say “1,2,3 f**k Jim!”. I can only assume this is not around JR but I didn’t ask.

Ryles plays an extremely structured footy and outgoing players have openly criticised the lack of “off the cuff” footy with offloads. Dylan Brown despite getting a massive offer was not enjoying the style of football much. Carty has been very open with his criticism of the teams style. My comments to this was the older style of footy won us nothing and we agreed.

There is a school of thought we are effectively playing a very Melbourne style without the cattle to make it effective. I’m told that’s the thought from Moses and a couple senior players.

I am not implying they are unhappy under Ryles, that’s not was not what was said to me I want to be clear on that. In fact the feedback was the “footy culture” seems really good. But there is significant disharmony between the playing group and Jim and Co.

Players are concerned about the impression people aren’t lining up to knock on our door. None of the Melbourne players had any interest in us with the Lomax swap.

This could absolutely be Juniors last season, but he may go another one. Apparently BA is still a “fatherly figure” to Junior and they talk every day. There is a thought BA will take him wherever he is in an immediate coaching capacity. I believe this will be a huge opportunity missed if it happens.

I was told Gutho absolutely hates Parra now. He has told others he will not have anything to do with the club post football which although I’m not a huge fan of him personally he was our best player for a very long time. He is far from a leader though but I had suspected that. There is a school of thought he should have been playing centre and at the same time been able to turbocharge Ionghi’s development whilst finishing as a Parra legend, that’s all gone now.

The comments to me are that we don’t really have any legends of the club that are relevant. We have Cayliss, Burt, etc but they are hardly considered legends of the game broadly speaking and even Hindy never won a competition. We just don’t have the strategy or firepower.

I’m sure there is more stuff I’ll remember but wanted to share. I’ve tried to seperate my opinions for another post and keep this as close to how it was said to me directly.

Hope you guys bloody appreciate this effort during my headache lol.
And what was the good news?
 

85 Baby

Bench
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2,897
The thought from the playing group is one of frustration and anger around the squad and depth. There have been times when they finish training and all put their hands in and say “1,2,3 f**k Jim!”. I can only assume this is not around JR
Actually be interesting to know who’s complaining about lacking players when there’s probably only half dozen players who are walk up starts in 1st grade
 

Pazza

Coach
Messages
12,075
Hahahaha sorry I had a very, very rare sleep in. Same person from inside the club shared this as things I have shared previously.

I’ll do my best to remember as I had a thousand beers yesterday. Should have not put my Ring cameras on mute lol.

Feedback I got was a lot of frustration between the playing group and Jim CEO, Mon, Ben Rogers is it?, and some other guy from R&R.

Matto has openly told pretty much anyone that he is “collecting his paycheque”. He is not necessarily seen as disliked as he gives the impression of caring more about family and his devotion to religion. Massively upsetting to hear we waste a top 30 spot in him though.

Mitch Moses is intense, like really intense internally. Was told he was picked because he is our best player, not because he is our best leader. In fact, far from it.

Moses is apparently VERY pissed off with the club atm. We have got “a shitload of cap space” but I was told we haven’t even come close to landing one. The only thing of note we’ve really landed was Pezet who is a rookie and gone after his learning year with the club.

An example I was told was when Talagi was being courted to stay, we rolled out Steve Ella. The comment was no disrespect to Steve Ella, but Talagi didn’t even know who he was, let alone admired him. Penrith rolled out Nathan Cleary and it was a no contest!

We have this new super impressive training facility and wonderful setup, loads of cap, great brand but I was told “no one wants to come to Parramatta”.

The thought from the playing group is one of frustration and anger around the squad and depth. There have been times when they finish training and all put their hands in and say “1,2,3 f**k Jim!”. I can only assume this is not around JR but I didn’t ask.

Ryles plays an extremely structured footy and outgoing players have openly criticised the lack of “off the cuff” footy with offloads. Dylan Brown despite getting a massive offer was not enjoying the style of football much. Carty has been very open with his criticism of the teams style. My comments to this was the older style of footy won us nothing and we agreed.

There is a school of thought we are effectively playing a very Melbourne style without the cattle to make it effective. I’m told that’s the thought from Moses and a couple senior players.

I am not implying they are unhappy under Ryles, that’s not was not what was said to me I want to be clear on that. In fact the feedback was the “footy culture” seems really good. But there is significant disharmony between the playing group and Jim and Co.

Players are concerned about the impression people aren’t lining up to knock on our door. None of the Melbourne players had any interest in us with the Lomax swap.

This could absolutely be Juniors last season, but he may go another one. Apparently BA is still a “fatherly figure” to Junior and they talk every day. There is a thought BA will take him wherever he is in an immediate coaching capacity. I believe this will be a huge opportunity missed if it happens.

I was told Gutho absolutely hates Parra now. He has told others he will not have anything to do with the club post football which although I’m not a huge fan of him personally he was our best player for a very long time. He is far from a leader though but I had suspected that. There is a school of thought he should have been playing centre and at the same time been able to turbocharge Ionghi’s development whilst finishing as a Parra legend, that’s all gone now.

The comments to me are that we don’t really have any legends of the club that are relevant. We have Cayliss, Burt, etc but they are hardly considered legends of the game broadly speaking and even Hindy never won a competition. We just don’t have the strategy or firepower.

I’m sure there is more stuff I’ll remember but wanted to share. I’ve tried to seperate my opinions for another post and keep this as close to how it was said to me directly.

Hope you guys bloody appreciate this effort during my headache lol.

why would the current playing group be unhappy with the lack of recruitment? guys like W Penisini, Simonson etc should be counting their lucky stars the R&R team cant do its job!

The only person who has the right to be pissed is Moses whos in his primes years and would want to win something!
 

Pazza

Coach
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Actually be interesting to know who’s complaining about lacking players when there’s probably only half dozen players who are walk up starts in 1st grade

yeah it doesnt make sense

the current squad is pissed at the club cause the club cant find their replacements????

parra must be a terrible place to play given even the currently contracted players are begging to go
 

85 Baby

Bench
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2,897
yeah it doesnt make sense

the current squad is pissed at the club cause the club cant find their replacements????

parra must be a terrible place to play given even the currently contracted players are begging to go
It makes sense as a group because for sure we’re short a good deal of legitimate players, but individually it’s because a lot of the players we do have aren’t that quality
 

Stevie

Bench
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4,861
yeah it doesnt make sense

the current squad is pissed at the club cause the club cant find their replacements????

parra must be a terrible place to play given even the currently contracted players are begging to go
My understanding is that it is Moses that is feeling this. You can’t tell me the Matto situation wouldn’t be upsetting a few. We’ve lost some great players and not gained anyone of similar ilk.

To be honest a lot of the comments gave me a quite BA hangover vibe, but that can’t be gone within a season perhaps.

To reiterate, there was zero call-outs about Ryles or his coaching staff re culture etc. it sounds like Ryles has been very hard nosed about his vision and strategy and that’s perhaps ruffled some feathers from the old setup and I’m absolutely fine with that.
 

Pazza

Coach
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My understanding is that it is Moses that is feeling this. You can’t tell me the Matto situation wouldn’t be upsetting a few. We’ve lost some great players and not gained anyone of similar ilk.

To be honest a lot of the comments gave me a quite BA hangover vibe, but that can’t be gone within a season perhaps.

To reiterate, there was zero call-outs about Ryles or his coaching staff re culture etc. it sounds like Ryles has been very hard nosed about his vision and strategy and that’s perhaps ruffled some feathers from the old setup and I’m absolutely fine with that.

If i was moses i would be quite fustrated but he surely knew he was hitching his cart to a dud when he re signed???

He could have gone to market and had his pick id imagine l.
 

Pazza

Coach
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It makes sense as a group because for sure we’re short a good deal of legitimate players, but individually it’s because a lot of the players we do have aren’t that quality

Its sad to think so many at the club would have such a passive attitude.
 

85 Baby

Bench
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Its sad to think so many at the club would have such a passive attitude.
That’s what I thought when Stevie said Moses was intense. I reckon he’s the minimum standard of what we want players to be. Sure they should still be professional and some of that intensity may be internalised in some but f**k me it’s not under 9 Div 5, they don’t give participation trophies and every player should be pissed when they play bad. I just got out of playing some wheelchair basketball at OPT against some numpty kids and even I was annoyed at myself for missing a couple of intercepts
 

eels_fan

First Grade
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Thanks for sharing @Stevie

I do think a lot of that commentary is troubling but I think it’s more of a poor reflection on the players than the club tbh if it’s true

sure we would love another elite player, but no one knew Lomax was going to jump ship with no elite options on the market

We have terrific depth in forwards. Paulo’s salary is beyond what many elite forwards are on, and it would be assumed we will reinvest that in an elite player when he moves on or moves into a bench role on a much lower wage.

from what I viewed on Thursday at training, the guys were all in tremendous spirits, and seemed nothing but positive

13 days until the first trial - the proof will be in the play
 
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