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Poupou Escobar

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lucablight said:
It’s quite the assumption to say you can’t do more than one thing at a time. Are cap space and negotiating not a thing?
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I'm not saying you can't do more than one thing at a time, I'm saying that doing more than one thing at a time might detract from both things. For example, filling up your future squad and salary cap with overpaid players might limit your ability to retain promising youngsters (i.e. literally 'block their pathways') right when they are most likely to provide value for money.

We have a bunch of high potential forwards in our pathways at the moment. These guys can go from SG Ball players to $500k NRL players in the space of two seasons, and paying Koloamatangi whatever the Dragons paid could have meant we had to lose them, like how we lost Utoikamanu et al. We might have plans to bring them through slowly ("hE cAn SpEnD a YeAr On A dEvElOpMeNt CoNtRaCt AnD a YeAr On MiNiMuM sAlArY aNd ThEn MaYbE aN uPgRaDe tO $200k-300K dEPeNdInG oN fOrM") but there's not enough NRL players for 17 clubs, and now another one is fishing from the same little pool. A young player carving up in reserve grade is a reasonable gamble, and they're not going to wait two-three years for top 17 money. They want it now, whether they are ready or not. It could be a good move to pay them $400k-$500k before other clubs are offering $600k or more.

Or it might not. It's very exciting.
 
JokerEel

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Poupou Escobar said:
I'm not saying you can't do more than one thing at a time, I'm saying that doing more than one thing at a time might detract from both things. For example, filling up your future squad and salary cap with overpaid players might limit your ability to retain promising youngsters (i.e. literally 'block their pathways') right when they are most likely to provide value for money.

We have a bunch of high potential forwards in our pathways at the moment. These guys can go from SG Ball players to $500k NRL players in the space of two seasons, and paying Koloamatangi whatever the Dragons paid could have meant we had to lose them, like how we lost Utoikamanu et al. We might have plans to bring them through slowly ("hE cAn SpEnD a YeAr On A dEvElOpMeNt CoNtRaCt AnD a YeAr On MiNiMuM sAlArY aNd ThEn MaYbE aN uPgRaDe tO $200k-300K dEPeNdInG oN fOrM") but there's not enough NRL players for 17 clubs, and now another one is fishing from the same little pool. A young player carving up in reserve grade is a reasonable gamble, and they're not going to wait two-three years for top 17 money. They want it now, whether they are ready or not. It could be a good move to pay them $400k-$500k before other clubs are offering $600k or more.

Or it might not. It's very exciting.
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Thats correct and that's where our management need to sit down with the young player and their manager and giving them our plan and their pathway i to the nrl.
If we can sell them the dream sign them up young and bring them through that benefits us hopefully and them...

Of course we will get some greedy manager and a player who wants it all now that we will lose but that what happens to all teams..
 
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Poupou Escobar said:
I'm not saying you can't do more than one thing at a time, I'm saying that doing more than one thing at a time might detract from both things. For example, filling up your future squad and salary cap with overpaid players might limit your ability to retain promising youngsters (i.e. literally 'block their pathways') right when they are most likely to provide value for money.

We have a bunch of high potential forwards in our pathways at the moment. These guys can go from SG Ball players to $500k NRL players in the space of two seasons, and paying Koloamatangi whatever the Dragons paid could have meant we had to lose them, like how we lost Utoikamanu et al. We might have plans to bring them through slowly ("hE cAn SpEnD a YeAr On A dEvElOpMeNt CoNtRaCt AnD a YeAr On MiNiMuM sAlArY aNd ThEn MaYbE aN uPgRaDe tO $200k-300K dEPeNdInG oN fOrM") but there's not enough NRL players for 17 clubs, and now another one is fishing from the same little pool. A young player carving up in reserve grade is a reasonable gamble, and they're not going to wait two-three years for top 17 money. They want it now, whether they are ready or not. It could be a good move to pay them $400k-$500k before other clubs are offering $600k or more.

Or it might not. It's very exciting.
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Well talent identification is part of the job. You need to lock in the youngsters who you think will become nrl players while also trying to sign quality nrl players. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Melbourne managed to sign Slater, Inglis, Smith, Cronk and then ended up with Papenhuyzen (now Faalago) , Hughes and Grant decades later? Did they get lucky each time or are the people running the club really good at talent identification?
 
hineyrulz

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lucablight said:
Well talent identification is part of the job. You need to lock in the youngsters who you think will become nrl players while also trying to sign quality nrl players. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Melbourne managed to sign Slater, Inglis, Smith, Cronk and then ended up with Papenhuyzen (now Faalago) , Hughes and Grant decades later? Did they get lucky each time or are the people running the club really good at talent identification?
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You can’t help good luck mate.
 
emjaycee

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Avenger said:
He was if he wanted to play in the NRL. Did you conveniently forget that bit? Looks like you have kept taking those Pou forum classes.
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I haven't forgotten any of it, including the bit where we released him from his contract with us in mid-November.
 
Poupou Escobar

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JokerEel said:
Thats correct and that's where our management need to sit down with the young player and their manager and giving them our plan and their pathway i to the nrl.
If we can sell them the dream sign them up young and bring them through that benefits us hopefully and them...

Of course we will get some greedy manager and a player who wants it all now that we will lose but that what happens to all teams..
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Even half of Penrith's squad chased the money eventually. Maybe it was a third.
 
Poupou Escobar

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lucablight said:
Well talent identification is part of the job. You need to lock in the youngsters who you think will become nrl players while also trying to sign quality nrl players. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Melbourne managed to sign Slater, Inglis, Smith, Cronk and then ended up with Papenhuyzen (now Faalago) , Hughes and Grant decades later? Did they get lucky each time or are the people running the club really good at talent identification?
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How many NRL players have the Storm signed that were already stars when they arrived? Maybe just Coates. Utoikamanu was underwhelming at the Tigers, including in his single Origin series off the bench. The vast majority of their best players came through their pathways. That's where talent identification matters. You don't even need BarTV Sports to find talent already playing NRL. @hindy111 picked Luca Moretti long before he carved up in reserve grade last weekend.
 
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