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Poupou Escobar

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We’re comparing results of 2 teams so the difference in wins and losses is across all the games both teams would’ve played. Each game is almost one of two results for each team, and across 46+ games I think you’ll agree there’s higher chance of out of the norm results (like tonight’s). I would think a definitively better performing team would therefore have more wins over a longer period, but that is not the case between us and Dragons.
The only period over which they have more wins is exactly two years (48 games). Coincidence that you plucked the very specific 46 game limit? The further you go back, the greater our performance relative to theirs.
Points differential again is going to have more potential for wild variances, so only consistent differences can gauge who’s better performing. I haven’t checked so tell me has our point differential been consistently better than Dragons?
Over one (and a bit) years: we have been 15 points better (although we have played an extra game this year)
Two years: 14 points worse
Three years: 198 better
Four years: 417 better
Five years: 668 better
Six years: 846 better
Seven years: 1054 better
Eight years: 831 better (this was 2018, the last time St George made the finals and we ran last and I do remember merkins talking up how well the Dragons were run and how they had turned the club around blah blah blah)
In almost contrast to what I said above I think the more recent results are going to have higher weighting but that still needs to be shown over an extended period to draw a determination. You can say that they have been worse performers but how confident are you that the differences in our performances would be consistent enough to suggest well outperform them any point in the future?
I'm pretty confident. They are a below average club whereas I think we are average. No doubt they will finish ahead of us again at some point (maybe this year) and so will the Tigers. But over the long term I expect us to outperform these clubs.
 
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85 Baby

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The only period over which they have more wins is exactly two years (48 games). Coincidence that you plucked the very specific 46 game limit? The further you go back, the greater our performance relative to theirs.
We play 24 games a year, they play 24 so 48 games, however we also play them once or twice so those duplicates need to be removed, this 46-47 games a year. In all those games there are only six where the head to head result was to our benefit (I.e. we win or Dragons lose) or even less if we beat them directly. That’s the 46 game comparison
Over one (and a bit) years: we have been 15 points better (although we have played an extra game this year)
Two years: 14 points worse
Three years: 198 better
Four years: 417 better
Five years: 668 better
Six years: 846 better
Seven years: 1054 better
Eight years: 831 better (this was 2018, the last time St George made the finals and we ran last and I do remember merkins talking up how well the Dragons were run and how they had turned the club around blah blah blah)
Ok so the recency shows we aren’t better performing.
I'm pretty confident. They are a below average club whereas I think we are average. No doubt they will finish ahead of us again at some point (maybe this year) and so will the Tigers. But over the long term I expect us to outperform these clubs.
Yeah I don’t agree. Go to bed merkin. I’m going to rewatch tonight’s game
 

Timana

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He did ok. Some fortunate kicks went his way. Def one nice ball for a try. Did much better than last week that’s for sure.
I'd give him a 6.5. He made some mistakes like a bad dropped ball, his defense still average and his kicks were flukey.

I thought he was too eyes up as he kicked sometimes to early in the tackle count. Although we scored, I'd rather he build pressure especially early in the tackle count

WWhat was interesting was that moses sometimes played on the left
 
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I'd give him a 6.5. He made some mistakes like a bad dropped ball, his defense still average and his kicks were flukey.

I thought he was too eyes up as he kicked sometimes to early in the tackle count. Although we scored, I'd rather he build pressure especially early in the tackle count

WWhat was interesting was that moses sometimes played on the left
Agree 6.5 is apt. Ryles didn’t seem that overly impressed in his press conference. Saying he’s got work to do.
 

T-Boon

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I thought he was too eyes up as he kicked sometimes to early in the tackle count. Although we scored, I'd rather he build pressure especially early in the tackle count
You will never catch me saying those things - unless it is the wrong player doing it (like a prop with bad hands). I thought the Pezet kicks were good decision making, you have to take your opportunities whenever they come up in the tackle count (remembering we only scored 6 points against Melbourne so probably at the time Pez rolls the dice he would still be thinking defenses tend to be rock solid).
 
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JokerEel

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That Walsh first try, Kelma gets tripped by Jensen I think and Moses had a poor attempt. Kelma has improved. In a 80 min performance, he missed 2 tackles and 1 ineffective. Not his worst defensive display

I still blame him for not sliding soon enough. JDB was inside to cover. He also allowed Walsh to chip over him could have charged the ball down or even pushed up and tackled him..

Pezet is still soft in defence left a huge hole for Hass to run through un touched.

Set up 2 tries from kicks that was lucky the Broncos couldn't hold onto it.
 

Glenn

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Or stay here, with years to run on their contracts.

The answer is resources, not just cash. We heard during the Lomax court shenanigans that more cash doesn’t help improve our top 17. Look around and you’ll see a handful of clubs are obviously paying merkins less under the cap than most clubs would have to. The question is why.

Did the Broncos accrue their premiership side because of the chance to be coached by Kevin Walters? Wayne Bennett hasn’t won anything in 16 years but he’s somehow this massive drawcard for players? If so, why couldn’t he assemble a finals squad at the Dolphins? Why was Hasler such a great coach at Manly before Penn took over, but ordinary at Penn-era Manly and everywhere else? These clubs would have to be cooking the books in one way or another. It’s the only feasible explanation.
With the CoE , resources shouldn't be an issue.
 

LyonHeart

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I still blame him for not sliding soon enough. JDB was inside to cover. He also allowed Walsh to chip over him could have charged the ball down or even pushed up and tackled him..

Pezet is still soft in defence left a huge hole for Hass to run through un touched.

Set up 2 tries from kicks that was lucky the Broncos couldn't hold onto it.
I agree there was a lot of luck involved with the kicks and we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, we conceded 32 points and there were some terrible defensive errors by individuals. Something to work on. We were looking for improvement this week and we got it
 

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