Rumours and Stuff

[King-Gutho94]

I don't think there is any movement on the coach even if we lose the next 4 games by 40.

He's not to blame for injuries, he's not wholly to blame for squad strength and depth, and the culture of failure that has seeped through our club for 40 years.

Ryles deserves at minimum another off season and half of 27 to prove he can right the wrongs.

If and when a decision is made to make a change - it has to be full broom from HoF down to the physios and start again

I think what this years debacle has done is buy him less time in 2027.

We need to be in the top 8 this time next year and not be already off the cliff again before we even get to Magic Round.

Its likely going to be a 5-6 win year this year. Which means its going to be a long painful 18 games coming up.

Fans aint going to cop this nonsense again 10 weeks into the 2027 season.

And yes Sarantinos, MON and everyone else should be out the door as well if this regime is still paddling up shit creek 2 and half years in.

 

[viole02]

Boys. Just thinking out loud here but we’ve all noticed the pressure from media dialled up to 11 this week and the honeymoon is over.

Riddle me this. If Dogs play like they did against Panthers and put a record score on us, 50, 60… What happens next week?

I genuinely think the club is about to go nuclear. It’s now got too much focus from the journos and it’s about to get ugly should that happen.

Like real ugly. Expect a load of stories to surface.

Part of me hopes it does so we can get some real change in some positions at the club. Something needs to change and its in the front office not the coach (yet)

 

[eels_fan]

I think what this years debacle has done is buy him less time in 2027.

We need to be in the top 8 this time next year and not be already off the cliff again before we even get to Magic Round.

Its likely going to be a 5-6 win year this year. Which means its going to be a long painful 18 games coming up.

Fans aint going to cop this nonsense again 10 weeks into the 2027 season.

And yes Sarantinos, MON and everyone else should be out the door as well if this regime is still paddling up shit creek 2 and half years in.

Tend to agree, but if this year does end up only being a 5 to 6 game-winning year then every other person in the building with the exception of Ryles needs to go, assistant coaches and all.

As for next year, I guess it also comes down to what the NRL throws in our faces with the draw. We’re going to Vegas and it wouldn’t surprise me if we come back to away trips in Perth and NZ and 3/4 of the top eight In our first 10 games

 

[emjaycee]

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[eel01s]

We need to remember that Ryles is two years into a four year contract. If we don't recruit to make the team a viable finals threat next season, what player in their right mind would sign for us for 2028 if there is no guarantee Ryles will be the coach?

 

[TheRam]

The big thing with Kelma is that he appears to be very lazy. Always laying in the ruck, slow to get back onside, doesnt chase kicks etc.

Oh just like 2/3 of our squad then.

 

[TheRam]

We need to remember that Ryles is two years into a four year contract. If we don't recruit to make the team a viable finals threat next season, what player in their right mind would sign for us for 2028 if there is no guarantee Ryles will be the coach?

Or what player will want to sign with Parra after 3 years of Ryles being at the helm and delivering major sh*t sandwich performances and recruitment pulling mediocrity?

 

[Pazza]

$$$

 

[hindy111]

Boys. Just thinking out loud here but we’ve all noticed the pressure from media dialled up to 11 this week and the honeymoon is over.

Riddle me this. If Dogs play like they did against Panthers and put a record score on us, 50, 60… What happens next week?

I genuinely think the club is about to go nuclear. It’s now got too much focus from the journos and it’s about to get ugly should that happen.

Like real ugly. Expect a load of stories to surface.

This is a better defensive side then the last few weeks. Russel back and Kelma+KK out.
I think we will compete. But if not then I would start to get concerned. Anyhting nore then a 12 point loss just isn't acceptable.

 

[hindy111]

I agree with him moving on.

Just an idea. If we don’t re-sign Dylan Walker.
I’d be probably trying to sign someone like Connor Watson. He will be 30 in May and we would benefit from his experience. I’d also be cutting Riley Smith.

What do you reckon Riley costs? I doubt more then 250k.(though never know with our management) We'd be mad to let him go. Even if he ends up in NSW CUP as a back up to NRL at 250k it would be worth it.
Kelly would be on probably 350k and is a back up also when we are full strength.

Watson will cost 600k+

 

[Pazza]

This is a better defensive side then the last few weeks. Russel back and Kelma+KK out.
I think we will compete. But if not then I would start to get concerned. Anyhting nore then a 12 point loss just isn't acceptable.

the dogs arent as fast as the titans, but our middles are still dog shit.

 

[hindy111]

TDS is seen as our long term hooker. I like Riley but you dont pay 650k for a 20yld unless he a part of your long term plans.

 

[Avenger]

What do you reckon Riley costs? I doubt more then 250k.(though never know with our management) We'd be mad to let him go. Even if he ends up in NSW CUP as a back up to NRL at 250k it would be worth it.
Kelly would be on probably 350k and is a back up also when we are full strength.

Watson will cost 600k+

We need a different dynamic and tempo to change things up. I’m old enough to remember what happened when we had PJ Marsh and Brad Drew in 2001 at dummyhalf and their combination gave us a different strategy and spring boarded our attack.

We can’t just keep doing the same thing and hope it just changes things around.

 

[Pazza]

. You dont pay a guy 650k to come off bench for 25mins.

MoN does.....

 

[Pazza]

We need a different dynamic and tempo to change things up. I’m old enough to remember what happened when we had PJ Marsh and Brad Drew in 2001 at dummyhalf and their combination gave us a different dynamic and spring boarded our attack.

We can’t just keep doing the same thing and hope it just changes things around.

we need nathan peats, just a dog in defence and line speed

 

[hineyrulz]

The story from a guy in NZ, is that Blair Mills is success driven and didn’t believe the club was set up to achieve that. He returned to a Super Rugby club which is now top of the standings.

Relatively critical of things he saw , just didn’t see the forward planning necessary is the story .

So he had dealings with MON and Rogers???? Can't blame him, and look who they replaced him with??

They just proved his point, we are just not a serious football club with the clowns we have running the show.

 

[hindy111]

We need a different dynamic and tempo to change things up. I’m old enough to remember what happened when we had PJ Marsh and Brad Drew in 2001 at dummyhalf and their combination gave us a different dynamic and spring boarded our attack.

We can’t just keep doing the same thing and hope it just changes things around.

Watson can play lock also similar to Mann yeah? If so I dont mind it. He could start at 13 with TDS at 9. Come off after 30 for Walker. And back on at Hooker for TDS for final 20mins

 

[Delboy]

We need a different dynamic and tempo to change things up. I’m old enough to remember what happened when we had PJ Marsh and Brad Drew in 2001 at dummyhalf and their combination gave us a different dynamic and spring boarded our attack.

We can’t just keep doing the same thing and hope it just changes things around.

Speed around the ruck is so important currently. When your first up hooker doesn’t run, then there’s little space creation and with our poor middles in terms of making metres we start our sets a fair distance away and struggle other than Moses kicking.

Add to that our edges aren’t particularly good hole runners, easy to be contained, anyway if the powers that be can’t improve that, we are stuffed. Why is it, whats obvious , isn’t an obvious recruitment target. All this don’t pay overs, we sign retreads and that’s a problem.

 

[Avenger]

Speed around the ruck is so important currently. When your first up hooker doesn’t run, then there’s little space creation and with our poor middles in terms of making metres we start our sets a fair distance away and struggle other than Moses kicking.

Add to that our edges aren’t particularly good hole runners, easy to be contained, anyway if the powers that be can’t improve that, we are stuffed. Why is it, whats obvious , isn’t an obvious recruitment target. All this don’t pay overs, we sign retreads and that’s a problem.

I’m convinced we pay too much for these retreads and haven’t got as much money as we think. Well it’s obvious we do. Look at our squad, besides Moses who would be on big money next year? I’m talking more than $800k?

 

[TheRam]

This is a better defensive side then the last few weeks. Russel back and Kelma+KK out.
I think we will compete. But if not then I would start to get concerned. Anyhting nore then a 12 point loss just isn't acceptable.

Unfortunately Hindy, I can only see a 20+ hiding.

This team was flawed from the start of LAST season when Ryles took over and never managed to secure at least two new front rowers to ad to the squad after we gave up RCG, which was probably the right thing to do IF he then went out and secured two new fresh large bodies that could fill the breach of an already weakening front row rotation.


I know I keep harping on this, but when will we get it through our thick skulls... YOU DON'T WIN BIG GAMES WITHOUT SIZE AND POWER IN THE MIDDLE.

We haven't had the right mix of quality size in our roster while BA was here and even when he took us to the 2022 GF and boy did it show in that game.

Now with Ryles, being an ex middle himself and working with Melbourne for so many years, you would think that he of all people would make it a priority to sign as many quality middles as he possibly could, even if it meant he would weaken other areas initially.

If I said it before, I'll say it again, when building a squad, I start with my halves and my middles and then the dummy half and Fullback. End of.

Now no matter what the quality of the rest of the squad, you will almost never concede these types of embarrassing scoreline defeats if you have those positions covered.

Then the benefit of building up a squad from these strong foundations first is that it greatly assists you in attracting quality in any other position/s that you may need to recruit in without needing to go overboard in overs for them.

Players will almost always go to a strong and well run club for similar money than a basket case like we have been for way to long and that has no identity other then being mentally weak and being in a 40 year long drought.