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RWC: are the Wallabies good enough?

Willow

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The ARU are starting to get a few jitters over the Wallabies loss in form. Australia are now looking down the barrel of being at best, semi-finalists in next years Rugby World Cup.

At host nation, it would be extremely embarrassing if the former world champs couldn't match it with the visitors.

The Aussies have now lost to Argentina, Ireland, England, and South Africa as well as barelyholding out against France and the NZ Maori. The most alarming factor being the Wallabies culture of poor defence... something which has been evident for some time.

I know there's still time but the Aussie camp are hardly oozing with confidence at the moment and must be ranked as outsiders tomake the RWC final.
 
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CanadianSteve

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It will be interesting to see what players make the Wallabies. With Sailor, Tuquiri, Joe Roff returning, and others they have a lot of backs to choose from. But I think they were losing games in the forward pack, especially against England.
 
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ozbash

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i cant see the all blacks doing much better.
i think the cup will go to the nth hemisphere, maybe england or france .
 

imported_midas

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All seems a bit pessimistic at this stage.The Poms fell in against an experimental All Black side and then scraped home by a point against an injury hit Wallaby side who outscored them 3 tries to 2.All this on their own dunghill.
12 months development and on Southern soil,both the Wallabies and All Blacks should start favourites over the Poms
 
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AuckMel

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The Wallabies and AB's are seeded to meet in the semi and I reckon they will. One of them will win the WC.
 
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Paul

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I don't care too much who wins the ruwc, but my ideal scenario would have the springbocks beating england 15-0 with 5 unanswered penalty goals. To me this would be rugby sic at its best ;)
 
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CanadianSteve

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from RugbyHeaven(SMH): Wallaby coach Eddie Jones says only 1 per cent separates the top five rugby union nations and says Australia "most definitely" have the squad to win next year's World Cup. Australia posted a mediocre record of six wins and four losses from its Test program this year, including two defeats in four tour internationals and Jones had no problem admitting the world champion and 2003 World Cup host was not currently at the top of the pecking order. "We've probably got about 1 per cent separating five teams. I'd say, right at this very moment, that possibly England and France are the best teams in the world," Jones said. I see the Wallabies are having a training camp in January with 38 players invited. But Joe Roff and Lote Tuquiri were not invited. Jones says they will have a chance to prove themselves in S12 season.
 

imported_JoeD

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The biggest problem with union is that the result of a game is influenced too greatly by the referees. ( A classic example, this years Bledisloe Cup match in Sydney) The winner of the RWC is likely to be the team that gets the most favourable calls from the referees.
 
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ozbash

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i see that traitorous prick, o'niel (yes,yes,yes, i know.what would you expect with a handle like that) , has ordered the reds,warrahtahs and brumbies to leave the possible wallaby players out of their teams in next yrs supa 12.
he doesnt want them hurt for the W/Cup...
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well i hope that gregan gets fat through lack of game time....
 
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That's ridiculous. I'd want my team to play Super 12, they must have enough depth to cover the possibility of a couple of injuries. I know we have, now ;)....hat's off to Mitchell I suppose
 
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Marcus

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I think the wallabies will do well next year. Not confident if they will win it though, since the recent internationals have proven that other teams outside the big 5 can compete and cause an upset.

We may lose one game in the pools, and if that happen and we make it to the finals we could be facing the All Blacks :D

France and England look like big dangers, but I am really worried about the boks. They have had a real tough year, in the S12 and internationals. But for some reason I like what Straeli is doing and bringing in some bright young talent - something with Eddie Jones could learn from.
 
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Dont be fooled by the hype, its a 2 horse race, NZ or Aus. England are a chance as well, but wont adapt to the conditions. The ARU can go the hype all they want, but if a team outside those 3 (actually, ill swap Eng for SA) win the comp, i will do the dash down George with nothing on

Playing footy in Nov in 30 degree heat is not a good idea. I know, it will be night, but it can still be bloody hot at 7pm. For that reason, most of the NH sides get the flick immediately.

Cheers,
Moffo
 
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ozbash

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nz tab odds
<table border=0> <tbody> <tr> <td align=right>1</td> <td align=left>$3.00</td> <td align=left>Australia</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>2</td> <td align=left>$2.50</td> <td align=left>New Zealand</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>3</td> <td align=left>$5.50</td> <td align=left>England</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>4</td> <td align=left>$8.50</td> <td align=left>South Africa</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>5</td> <td align=left>$6.00</td> <td align=left>France</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>6</td> <td align=left>$40.00</td> <td align=left>Ireland</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>7</td> <td align=left>$150.00</td> <td align=left>Argentina</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>8</td> <td align=left>$250.00</td> <td align=left>Scotland</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>9</td> <td align=left>$250.00</td> <td align=left>Wales</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>10</td> <td align=left>$1000.00</td> <td align=left>Fiji</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>11</td> <td align=left>$1000.00</td> <td align=left>Samoa</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>12</td> <td align=left>$1000.00</td> <td align=left>Italy</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>13</td> <td align=left>$1500.00</td> <td align=left>Canada</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>14</td> <td align=left>$2000.00</td> <td align=left>USA</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>15</td> <td align=left>$2000.00</td> <td align=left>Japan</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>16</td> <td align=left>$5000.00</td> <td align=left>Romania</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>17</td> <td align=left>$5000.00</td> <td align=left>Namibia</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>18</td> <td align=left>$5000.00</td> <td align=left>Uruguay</td></tr> <tr> <td align=right>19</td> <td align=left>$5000.00</td> <td align=left>Georgia</td></tr> </tbody></table> Odds displayed are for NZ$1.Minimum Bet NZ$5.
<table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0> <tbody> <tr> <td> <table> <tbody> <tr> <td>Last Updated On: Saturday, 14 December 2002 20:36:54 NZT</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td> <table> <tbody> <tr> <td><a target=_top>Refresh Odds</a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>
 

imported_midas

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Read in the weekend press that the Poms have only won one of their last 15 in the Southern Hemisphere.Unless they bring Twickenham with them ,they have some work to do.
 
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Being the resident bookmaker, here we go:

2/1 Aussies
3/1 Kiwis, South Africa
8/1 England
15/1 France
10,000/1 Anyone Else

Cheers,
Moffo
 
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CanadianSteve

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I'll put early cyber money on England, because I'd like to see the SH hegemony broken, and I think England can do it.
 

imported_midas

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Thanks a lot Steve.Just wasted 5 mins looking up "hegemony".Think you might have it wrong-all the influence and/or control is based in Europe with the IRB.The only dominance SH sides have had in the past is on the field,where it has been complete.
Incidentally,don,t put your cyber money on with Moffo-he,s posting 4 points under the odds fotr the Poms.
 
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CanadianSteve

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When I wrote it I thought, am I using this word correctly? I meant on the field, anyway.
 
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CanadianSteve

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One Kiwi's opinion on the state of Aus and NZ in union.

Australia needs a new blood transfusion
By Stu Wilson
Saturday, March 15, 2003 There are 40 players who could comfortably line up for the All Blacks this year. The Wallabies, who have been less adventurous in planning for the World Cup, have nowhere near that number of applicants equal to the challenge. Australian Rugby Union chief John O'Neill has said this year was not about the Super 12, it was all about the World Cup. Essentially, I agree, and he's probably exactly right from a chief executive's perspective, but in reality you just cannot pick up a team before the cup and go on and win it. You need all the ingredients to come together nicely, need your players to be feeling positive and confident, and need the right mix of talent and experience. The key to this for Australia, New Zealand and South Africa is the Super 12, and nowadays you'd have to say Australia is looking close to third best in that group.<br clear=all> New Zealand is obviously on top, the South Africans looks like they've improved in key areas, such as fitness, while Australia, with the Waratahs' obvious success in their past two matches aside, looks stale. In New Zealand, there's been plenty of talk about the comparison between the way our sides have started the competition and the way Australia's have. Our strongest teams, the Crusaders, Blues and Highlanders, all look fresh, while traditionally strong teams such as the Brumbies and Reds have struggled. The main reason New Zealand look stronger is the brave move by All Black coach John Mitchell before last year's end-of-season tour to select an entirely new squad. Who cares if you lose a couple of matches on a European tour if you are building towards the World Cup? Australia, by comparison, virtually selected their strongest side, only blooding a couple of new players: Adam Freier and Matt Giteau. Mitchell is already reaping the dividends of his decision. Four halfbacks - Justin Marshall, Byron Kelleher, Danny Lee and Steve Devine - played for New Zealand last season and I would be more than happy with any one of those players at the cup. Reasonable cover exists in all positions and the possibility of injuries to key players is nowhere near as daunting as it might have been in the past. Players who are next in line have already experienced the top level and will adapt to the pressures of international rugby much more easily. This also means the competition for each place is tough - and that's reflected on the field. The best thing to happen in New Zealand rugby for a while was the Blues taking the Crusaders apart last week. The Crusaders had seemed a little complacent in their first two wins and if the loss to the Blues doesn't shake them out of it, nothing will.
 

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