Sack Flanagan

[John moz]

Dump Flanagan again gone missing in games looks like a Scared little boy playing against men.
Watch the last 20 minutes running around like he had no idea getting in the way of plays last kicks on 6 shit each week the same boring stuff.

 

[Redvdragons21]

With all these changes lately. If we lose to the warriors surely Flanno will be under pressure?

 

[56to66]

With all these changes lately. If we lose to the warriors surely Flanno will be under pressure?

One thousand percent he'll be under pressure, the dumbest move was to sign Lachlan Ilias, people like Braith Anasta, will always use his son(Flanno Snr). To undermine STI, the quicker they get rid of Lachlan the better, then people like braith can start pissing on the next club.
Bring back Brian Smith by the way.

 

[matPORTS]

The problem we have here:

If we sack Flanno Senior - what's the alternative? Dean Young
If we sack Flanno Junior - what is the alternative? Lachlan Ilias or Jonah Glover

As per my post-game rant in the match thread, Flanno Senior is squeezing every last bit of juice out of the lemon. New CEO Tim Watsford - his first calling has to be getting in either an experienced GM of Football or at least someone experienced with Recruitment/Retention/List Management/Salary Cap Management, as the coach can't keep doing all of this himself.

In addition to the previous point, our mindset around recruitment and retention also needs to change... we need to cough up the money in order to bring in the players we REALLY need from outside the club, and that is a marquee level forward or two. Not players who are over the hill or who are in the back end of their careers looking for an essential "redundancy payout" from the NRL. Guler is an absolute rubbish signing. Klemmer is having a go but is on borrowed time.

We need someone on the phone making calls to other clubs (be it in Australia or in the UK) about the possibility that they could take some of our deadwood off us (i.e. Lawrie). We also need that person to be working on locking down (ideally the best of the bunch) juniors we want to keep (and not letting other clubs sweep in behind the scenes and poach them before we even get an opportunity), and if the pressure is on from the NRL to get the Bears & PNG franchise lists up to speed this person should also be offering the "second tier" of juniors and telling them to keep their mits off the "elite tier".

As for Flanno Junior - he hasn't been all that bad, and does have a good combination going down the left with Holmes + Gutho chiming in. On the back of losing him after the "biting incident" last year, we fell off big time. If LKT is staying up in first grade for the rest of the year, I'm more confident in Kyle as his partner than Ilias at this stage. Senior is unlikely to go in with two rookie halves (unless injury forces this). Until Atkinson comes, our options are limited here.

 

[RedVDave]

I'm getting the sense of deja vu a little bit 3 years ago Hook wielded the axe at magic round we lost narrowly to the Tigpies. He was axed soon after and replaced by Ryan Carr.

Hook wasn't a great coach by any stretch but even he has the sense to great rid of Dean Young as he knew how little he brings.

 

[I'm Hornby]

I'm getting the sense of deja vu a little bit 3 years ago Hook wielded the axe at magic round we lost narrowly to the Tigpies. He was axed soon after and replaced by Ryan Carr.

Hook wasn't a great coach by any stretch but even he has the sense to great rid of Dean Young as he knew how little he brings.

For me, Flanagan bringing in his son and letting Jayden Sullivan go, showed that he is just as nepotistic as Albert and the BOD for bringing Dean back as an assistant coach.

Everyone has short memories of when they all would sing Bud's praises and say he was the future of the club, how Hook didn't give enough chances etc. As soon as Flanagan arrived and turfed one of our most promising young juniors and replaced him with his own son, no one blinked an eye lid.

It was certainly a damning start to his tenure as Dragon's coach and left a bad taste in my mouth from the get go.

 

[baggygreen man]

this club needs to implement a program of identifying and nurturing talent from the 12 year olds on, and keep the good ones well looked after and signed up.

Isnt that what our Academy is for.

 

[baggygreen man]

Guler is an absolute rubbish signing. Klemmer is having a go but is on borrowed time.

I'd have Guler over Klemmer despite the difference in size. He is a more eager worker for mine. His best game in weeks before he was injured. Shoulder I think. BEEN FINE HAD HE BEEN WEARING THE OLD FASHIONED SHOULDER PADS.

 

[Lovemedragons]

Isnt that what our Academy is for.

if it is, it isn’t doing the job like they’ve done at Penrith, are they? Penrith get to win premierships with their juniors before they move on to Canterbury. We just lose ours before they even play first grade or more than 5 games.

 

[matPORTS]

I'll make a bold prediction - Panthers will finish bottom half of the 8 and be the first team to win the Premiership from there since we changed to the AFL style finals system.

Will continue to live vicariously through the Panthers. I mean ffs, we should be just as good if not better than them. We have the whole Southern Districts of Sydney + the South Coast & Southern Highlands in our junior system. But we are just so poorly managed. I am effing over it.

 

[Lovemedragons]

For me, Flanagan bringing in his son and letting Jayden Sullivan go, showed that he is just as nepotistic as Albert and the BOD for bringing Dean back as an assistant coach.

Everyone has short memories of when they all would sing Bud's praises and say he was the future of the club, how Hook didn't give enough chances etc. As soon as Flanagan arrived and turfed one of our most promising young juniors and replaced him with his own son, no one blinked an eye lid.

It was certainly a damning start to his tenure as Dragon's coach and left a bad taste in my mouth from the get go.

I take your point, it’s not a good look to bring your uncontracted son with you, but imo Bud has only started to look like a decent first grader in his last couple of games, he was pretty ordinary for us when he got his shot, he looked ordinary at the Tigers last year and ordinary with Souths earlier this year. His last couple of games have been pretty good, but he does have Wayne Bennett coaching him now which does demonstrate all he maybe needed was a really good coach.

I think and hope however LKT is a much better prospect for us, he had 2 try assists yesterday that Flanagan wasn’t capable of producing, despite many more times with the ball. He didn’t let down in defence either I don’t think. A pretty promising first up effort for the year. Flanagan is ok but is limited, he doesn’t always look at what’s in front of him, he misses opportunities because of that, he certainly should have gone for the try himself yesterday but instead passed and we missed out. I think we should have Ilias at 7 and LKT at 6 and just stick with it come whatever.

As for Flanagan Snr, I give him a pass on replacing an ordinary performing Sullivan with a decent but limited available player, even if it was his own son, but 18 months down the track he now has to make some grown up calls on what is best for this teams future now that LKT has arrived and Ilias has a better game and longer future suited to 7.

 

[I'm Hornby]

I take your point, it’s not a good look to bring your uncontracted son with you, but imo Bud has only started to look like a decent first grader in his last couple of games, he was pretty ordinary for us when he got his shot, he looked ordinary at the Tigers last year and ordinary with Souths earlier this year. His last couple of games have been pretty good, but he does have Wayne Bennett coaching him now which does demonstrate all he maybe needed was a really good coach.

I think and hope however LKT is a much better prospect for us, he had 2 try assists yesterday that Flanagan wasn’t capable of producing, despite many more times with the ball. He didn’t let down in defence either I don’t think. A pretty promising first up effort for the year. Flanagan is ok but is limited, he doesn’t always look at what’s in front of him, he misses opportunities because of that, he certainly should have gone for the try himself yesterday but instead passed and we missed out. I think we should have Ilias at 7 and LKT at 6 and just stick with it come whatever.

As for Flanagan Snr, I give him a pass on replacing an ordinary performing Sullivan with a decent but limited available player, even if it was his own son, but 18 months down the track he now has to make some grown up calls on what is best for this teams future now that LKT has arrived and Ilias has a better game and longer future suited to 7.

I agree with what you've said about Sullivan, but obviously that doesn't change the fact that he was a much hyped junior by many dragons supporters and we all had high hopes for him.
I would've liked to see what he could've produced under Flanagan's coaching and if it was underwhelming, he could've been moved on after being given a decent crack.

LKT seems like a good prospect, however I don't think he fits the mould of the sort of half that Flanagan would like as a coach. Last night, LKT had a few moments where he tried to throw a flashy pass when it wasn't on and the better option would've been to build pressure. I don't think Flanagan would have the patience with a young half chancing his arm in the fashion LKT did. I'm sure you remember the amount of times Flanagan lost it at Hunt for doing similar things, so he certainly won't cop that from a rookie player.

Additionally, where does LKT fit in to the big picture? We have Atkinson coming next year who presumably will play in the halves, of course being a nepotist he has resigned his son and seems to want to let Kyle choose the position he plays in, so do we really think Kyle won't be in the halves next year?
This is just part of the bigger issue which is Flanagan's recruitment for me, it's comparable to throwing darts at a dart board whilst blind folded.
We desperately need front rowers, yet in the last off season we signed four backs, a dummy half and only the one front rower.
Unfortunately this poor recruitment strategy seems to block pathways for our younger players, so this combined with Flanagan's impatience with halves not game managing (besides his son who is the exception to his rule) means LKT will likely end up playing the majority of his career with another NRL club.

 

[Lovemedragons]

I agree with what you've said about Sullivan, but obviously that doesn't change the fact that he was a much hyped junior by many dragons supporters and we all had high hopes for him.
I would've liked to see what he could've produced under Flanagan's coaching and if it was underwhelming, he could've been moved on after being given a decent crack.

LKT seems like a good prospect, however I don't think he fits the mould of the sort of half that Flanagan would like as a coach. Last night, LKT had a few moments where he tried to throw a flashy pass when it wasn't on and the better option would've been to build pressure. I don't think Flanagan would have the patience with a young half chancing his arm in the fashion LKT did. I'm sure you remember the amount of times Flanagan lost it at Hunt for doing similar things, so he certainly won't cop that from a rookie player.

Additionally, where does LKT fit in to the big picture? We have Atkinson coming next year who presumably will play in the halves, of course being a nepotist he has resigned his son and seems to want to let Kyle choose the position he plays in, so do we really think Kyle won't be in the halves next year?
This is just part of the bigger issue which is Flanagan's recruitment for me, it's comparable to throwing darts at a dart board whilst blind folded.
We desperately need front rowers, yet in the last off season we signed four backs, a dummy half and only the one front rower.
Unfortunately this poor recruitment strategy seems to block pathways for our younger players, so this combined with Flanagan's impatience with halves not game managing (besides his son who is the exception to his rule) means LKT will likely end up playing the majority of his career with another NRL club.

Depressing thought

 

[Slippery Morris]

I would not be blaming Wollongong as the reason players don't want to join. Saints had Hook and Mary coaching before Flanno and they were really producing dull footy with no evidence of challenging for a finals spot and losing their best juniors along the way for hasbeen which porbably left bad taste in their mouths so they can slam the club, e.g Frizzel, McInness, etc. Then they have the media just flogging the club with every opportunity they can to make them out to be a terrible club to join. Then on top of that you have 3 players 1 a capt giving the press gold and slamming them and wanting out, one of the best juniors walking out on less cash after being tapped up like Galvin is currently now by the same club, and the other on mental health because of a comment. If you are an outsider looking in, you would think that the Dragons treat their players poorly.

From what I have seen this year, Egan, Couchman and Stewart are our best players which is pleasing. Maybe Saints should really worry about locking up their kids. More chance of that with Flanno than the previous clowns.

With no CEO nothing can happen until he comes in. Hopefully this guy sorts them out.

 

[saintmar]

f**k off! Ignore!

Why are you so rude mate.
He is entitled to his opinion and what he says is spot on 100%

 

[John moz]

Coach flanno has not improved players like sloan or son kyle sulli and others.
Nsw team are performing so why hasn't flanno with first grade gone to the next level ?

 

[hook hook]

Coach flanno has not improved players like sloan or son kyle sulli and others.
Nsw team are performing so why hasn't flanno with first grade gone to the next level ?

Flanno has improved Sloan. Remember the remarkable improvement last year? He has regressed this a little this year but it’s a different position

 

[Dragons4me]

Flanno has improved Sloan. Remember the remarkable improvement last year? He has regressed this a little this year but it’s a different position

I'd challenge that. Not earth shattering perhaps but he's playing his part.