What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Sack Griffin

mattchuot

Juniors
Messages
129
Coach
Ryles

Assistants
Hornby
Hannay

Head of football ops
Hasler

Recruitment and pathways
Browny

Left right out
Deano (for now at least)

Good young coach with respected and experienced support. Unfortunately we would have to flash the cash and that's pretty unlikely
I agree with the sentiment of having experienced assistants around a rookie coach. Browny was on James Graham’s podcast pretty soon after he got sacked and mentioned his next career aspiration was to help a young coach come through. If we do in fact go for a Ryles or Young type we might be a good chance of bringing Browny home too.
 

justadragon

Bench
Messages
4,093
Most probs won't agree but if we have to go to a past player (it is the dragons way) I'd like something like

Coach
Ryles

Assistants
Hornby
Hannay

Head of football ops
Hasler

Recruitment and pathways
Browny

Left right out
Deano (for now at least)

Good young coach with respected and experienced support. Unfortunately we would have to flash the cash and that's pretty unlikely
I dont mind your picks, I think though if Ryles has been targeted for Melbourne then we have no chance, they usually tend to get what they want, unlike us. Anyway who ever it may be then good luck to him, he's going to need it.
 

Old Timer

Coach
Messages
17,912
What’s patently obvious is that Hook has lost the dressing room
What’s patently obvious is that since Bennett no one had had the dressing room

If no one has the board room then little wonder

The problems facing Hook are not of his doing and are well ingrained in the psyche of the place.

Clear out as many coaches as you like it will make little to no difference.

People wonder why we play the low brow footy we play well looking at what Hook has to play with its a brilliant effort on his part to have achieved what he has as a lesser man would have managed the spoon by now.
 
Messages
15,203
Correct me if I am wrong here, I'm pretty sure Ryles' contract with the Roosters stipulated that there was a 'no leaving for another job' clause in it, which Ryles agreed to. This came about after the O'Brien situation. I think Ryles doesn't finish until the end of '24.
I know a contract isn't worth much these days... and i definitely could be wrong.
 

Victoire

Juniors
Messages
1,109
What’s patently obvious is that since Bennett no one had had the dressing room

If no one has the board room then little wonder

The problems facing Hook are not of his doing and are well ingrained in the psyche of the place.

Clear out as many coaches as you like it will make little to no difference.

People wonder why we play the low brow footy we play well looking at what Hook has to play with its a brilliant effort on his part to have achieved what he has as a lesser man would have managed the spoon by now.
Holy shit.. I've seen you carrying the bag for Griffin in here for ages now, but this is a "jump the shark moment". You have lost your mind
 

justadragon

Bench
Messages
4,093
What’s patently obvious is that since Bennett no one had had the dressing room

If no one has the board room then little wonder

The problems facing Hook are not of his doing and are well ingrained in the psyche of the place.

Clear out as many coaches as you like it will make little to no difference.

People wonder why we play the low brow footy we play well looking at what Hook has to play with its a brilliant effort on his part to have achieved what he has as a lesser man would have managed the spoon by now.
Cant say I agree with you on this one OT, if the coach has lost the dressing room its on him, take 2010 when the Storm were playing for nothing after being stripped of everything early, Bellamy still got them to win 14 games that year. It would have been quite easy for the players to lose focus but Bellamy wouldnt allow it. You take our fiasco after BBQ gate, how well did we do there.
 

Mojo

Bench
Messages
4,110
Cant say I agree with you on this one OT, if the coach has lost the dressing room its on him, take 2010 when the Storm were playing for nothing after being stripped of everything early, Bellamy still got them to win 14 games that year. It would have been quite easy for the players to lose focus but Bellamy wouldnt allow it. You take our fiasco after BBQ gate, how well did we do there.
Yes, but the Storm players got several year's pay-in-advance, which is the reason they got stripped.
 

Dragon David

First Grade
Messages
9,292
Agree, but the point I'm making is, they had nothing to play for that season but Bellamy still had them pumping.
Bellamy has his teams pumping 98% every year. Even during times of bad injuries and players playing representative footy, he was able to get his players playing Storm footy which we know has been successful for decades now (well since 2003). Even though they won the wooden spoon in 2010 because they were not given points for their 14 wins that year due to their salary cap breach from 2006 to 2009, they still put in. To me it shows that the Storm players have a very high regard of Bellamy as a person and coach. Never has been any talk of him losing the dressing room that's for sure.
 

jodragon40

Juniors
Messages
425
The word everyone is searching for is culture. A teams and clubs culture is essential to the success of that team and club. It's a mindset. We do not have a positive culture, the players don't enjoy playing with each other or for this coach. Unfortunately for this coach he inherited this culture. It didn't help that because of salary cap restrictions he could and still has to go to the 2nd hand shop to obtain players that nobody else wants. Just look at this seasons recruits 2 from the wooden spooners and 1 from 2nd last and a promising but untried QLD Cup team. The Board should not be overlooked when assessing our current situation.
 
Messages
2,501
I don't pretend to be a coaches a-hole, but the coach, any coach, has got to do a couple of things well:
A - Build the team relationship, and get a disparate group of people working together
B - Work on the fitness and skill set and get the players improving to the best of their ability
C - Do the analytics and work out game plans that work to our strengths and target the oppositions weaknesses.

In terms of team relationship, Hook seems to only work well with Queensland players, or at least that is what it looks like. Is this all on Hook? I don't know. It's possible he's being white-anted by senior players or even the Board and management. You would hope not but who knows. In terms of working on skill sets, you would hope players coming into the side have all the skills, but this has been a problem for a long time. Tackling, passing, catching high balls, all problems which well drilled sides don't have. That isn't all on Hook, that is an issue with junior development. In respect to game plans, I haven't seen any since Wayne Bennett. Price and MacGregor were clueless. Hook doesn't seem any better.

However in terms of getting a new coach, I tend to agree with Gordon Tallis, it looks like there is a lot more to be fixed at the club before a change of coach will improve things.
 

jodragon40

Juniors
Messages
425
I don't pretend to be a coaches a-hole, but the coach, any coach, has got to do a couple of things well:
A - Build the team relationship, and get a disparate group of people working together
B - Work on the fitness and skill set and get the players improving to the best of their ability
C - Do the analytics and work out game plans that work to our strengths and target the oppositions weaknesses.

In terms of team relationship, Hook seems to only work well with Queensland players, or at least that is what it looks like. Is this all on Hook? I don't know. It's possible he's being white-anted by senior players or even the Board and management. You would hope not but who knows. In terms of working on skill sets, you would hope players coming into the side have all the skills, but this has been a problem for a long time. Tackling, passing, catching high balls, all problems which well drilled sides don't have. That isn't all on Hook, that is an issue with junior development. In respect to game plans, I haven't seen any since Wayne Bennett. Price and MacGregor were clueless. Hook doesn't seem any better.

However in terms of getting a new coach, I tend to agree with Gordon Tallis, it looks like there is a lot more to be fixed at the club before a change of coach will improve things.
As an old broken down coach myself you didn't do a bad job with your analysis, impressive. A coach has many jobs identifying and developing young rising stars within your club is important. It's not easy to tell one of these players what is required to be developed so they can play 1sts and be the best player they can be. So it's important that a coach have good communication skills both talking and listening otherwise you have a situation our club is now in our rising starts being dissatisfied and dissolutioned by the way the coach has handled and progressed them and this means that we are unable to retain them. The success of any club or team on a consistent basis is the retention of local talent and the ability to recruit the players needed to compliment our own talent. We do not and have not had that basic foundation for the last 10 yrs in my view
 

Latest posts

Top