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Quint

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In todays Tele there is an articicle stateing that the Stains agree with the Rooters(not a mispell,they are trying to root our game).
They say the cap must rise so Clubs can Keep the juniors that they have developed when they reach NRL level Football.
i think it's more the case that the Rooters and the Dragqueens want the cap to rise so they can buy other clubs juniors...

How many more clubs will back the Rooters?


ST GEORGE Illawarra chief executive Peter Doust has thrown support behind the Sydney Roosters' challenge to have the salary cap increased.

Doust wants to be allowed to retain junior Dragons players who enter the NRL while also keeping established representative stars.

The Dragons chief does not want to see the matter end up in the courts but is the lone supporter for the Sydney Roosters pushing for a salary cap increase.

Doust voted in support of the issue at the NRL's annual conference.

Yesterday he outlined why he supports the salary cap being increased: "We understand the Roosters' frustrations with the salary cap and we have some issues with it ourselves.

"We would like to be able to retain the young players who are coming through our club while also retaining our long-serving players.

"We see those two issues as the principal issues that should be considered in evaluating the cap."

Roosters chief executive Brian Canavan has confirmed the 2002 premiers do not want the cap abolished but rather are looking for an increase in the form of concessions or a small rise.

The argument put forward by the Roosters and the Dragons is that strong clubs should be allowed to keep the junior players they have developed, and who want to remain playing where they are.

But the flipside is that the salary cap is the best method of evenly distributing playing talent across all clubs, making the competition more exciting and less predictable.

The issue of cap concessions is a difficult one from the NRL's perspective with chief executive David Gallop acknowledging merit in both sides of the argument.

"The argument against salary cap concessions for representative players is that the stronger teams generally have representative players," Gallop said. "To give them salary cap concessions is giving them a concession that other clubs don't get."

While many clubs argue the game cannot sustain an increased cap, Doust believes that just because you have a $3.25million limit does not mean you have to spend it all.

But the overwhelming majority of clubs contacted by The Daily Telegraph last week were opposed to any rise in the cap for 2005, whether it be concessions or an increase in spending limitations.

Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald has led the chorus of clubs who do not want to see the cap go up.

"I'm against any concessions whether it's for long-serving players or rep players. The salary cap should not go up, there is no extra money coming into clubs," Fitzgerald said.

"If there were concessions for rep players it would mean the stronger clubs would have more money to pound the weaker clubs with and the game cannot afford that."

The other issue in the debate is the effect the NSW government poker machine tax increase will have on licensed clubs, and the amount of money they can still afford to pour into football clubs.

"We'd like to support keeping our junior and our long-serving players because we think that is one way to keep our fans happy which in turn drives revenue through gate takings and sponsorships," Doust said.

The NRL has stressed it will not be forced into reviewing a salary cap increase for 2005 any earlier than intended despite the Roosters' threat to challenge it in the Federal Court.

Leading sports lawyers have confirmed the Roosters have a sound argument if they challenge the cap.

The last player to take rugby league to the courts, Souths' former Test star Terry Hill, challenged the draft in 1991 and successfully fought to have it abolished.

Hill has thrown support behind the idea of a cap increase, but only if the money is directed into the development of elite junior talent.
 

dimitri

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wow

scum supporters once again showing how thick they really are


the dragons support salary cap concessions to keep juniors

the roosters just want it abolished - the roosters dont have any juniors anyway
 

Special K

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bullshit they want it to keep juniors. Face facts your mob was depending on it going up in 2005 and you have spent your limits on barrett and gasiner :lol:
 

Scammer

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What do you expect, naturally a bunch of draqueens are going to follow the Darlinghurst pretty boy twinkies.

Next, they will demand that the NRL include a float at this years mardi Gras, afterall that is where Easts get their their juniors from.
 

Jimbo

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That would be f*cking right. The lowest of low merkins have spent all their money on "Face" Barrett, "Knees" Bailey, "Thug" Thompson, "Busted Foot" Gaaaaz and "Ugly Stick" Timmins, and they've still done f*ck all. So they think "Let's follow the only other club in the league with no morals" :roll:

They failed in '99 with $8m worth of players, so why do they think thinks will be any different this time?

Motherf*ckers...
 
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Too right Jimbo, spot on.

They stuff up their pay rates and pay huge overs to has-beens like Barrett and players who always get injured like the rest of them so they want to move the goal posts. Well at least that's good for a laugh.

Furthermore I dont see how increasing the cap will allow clubs to keep their juniors. If no club is making a profit and has to spend proportionately more on their top 25 than they currently do, they will therefore have less to spend on development and their up and coming players.

Increasing the cap for the Roosters will allow the Roosters to keep their juniors (if they had any), poach other club's top players and snare all the other club's juniors from teams who are struggling to strike the right balance between funding the top 25 and funding development.

I still like Z's idea most, not renewing the Roosters' licence after this year. The Dragons, on the other hand, to their credit do have quite an extensive development system coming out of Wollongong and we've already decimated them. If they failed to exist we'd have to find someone else to mercilessly mock.
 

SaintTPP

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Some quotes you should look at:

"Doust wants to be allowed to retain junior Dragons players who enter the NRL while also keeping established representative stars."
"Keep the junior players they have developed, and who want to remain playing where they are."

The way I read it is that Doust is more in favour of the whole juniors aspect of it all, and I 100% agree with anything involving developing your ouwn junior base...after all Saints have one of the most juniors in their team in the NRL.
 

PJ

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If they only want to protect juniors fine.

How about they then bring in a rule that only x% of your salary cap can be used on non junior players and you can get extensions on the salary cap for locals.

SO say 50% was the max for imports so you can spend $1.6 mill on imports then another $1.6 on locals and a loading of say 10% for juniors with y years of experience. You are allowed to spend more than $1.6 on locals, the limit is only on imports.

PLayers bought to the club as teenagers count as juniors. Local area guys count obviously. Players let go by other clubs, but who haven't played firsts cna count as juniors.

Then for seniors a player who has been released by his existing club can be signed at a reduced rate so players aren't necessarily disadvantaged but it should/could help reduce poaching.

A system like this would quickly show whether or not they really wanted to protect juniors or get opposition players
 

Card Shark

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I say bring back a transfer fee on players brought through the junior ranks of a club. The tranfee fee amount gained by the club losing the player is added to their salary cap to assist paying extra to retain other players.

e.g a junior never to have played 1st grade may be worth $20,000 added to the cap. a junior 1 to 10 1st grade games $40,000, a junior 10 to 40 1st grade games $60,000, a junior rep for origin additional $25,000 to 1st grade experience fee etc.

If a junior plays 40 1st grade games & plays State of Origin, if he elects to go to another club, that club must pay his initial club $85,000 which is permitted to be added & spent under the salary cap. This way only money that is available will be spent, not money that clubs can't afford.

If clubs are serious about protecting junior talent, this will slow the movement between clubs. If you want to pinch a junior from another club, you will pay & the club that loses a player will be compensated.

If a club wishes to release a player, a agreement may be reached to waive the transfer fee to allow the player a fair chance of being picked up by another club.

The roosters certainly will not like this option as their only intention is to pillage other clubs & take their best talent, which may have been nutured for up to 10 years. If the cap is raised (as they are requesting) this is what will happen with no compensation to the likes of the sharks / wests / panthers etc, which have spent loads of money & time developing a player for the future.

#-o
 

Macca

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Typically the St.Geo-Illa's would do this.

They havn't been remotely successful since they mad the GF on the back of a 9 million dollar squad.

They have regained their most hated status from the Roosters again for me.
 

Collateral

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ANOTHER thread where the Sharks fans just cant stop talking about the Dragons, man you guys love us.

Look you guys, the Dragons are doing you lot a fvour, coz when the Sharks move up to the Gold Coast you will have loads of Juniors. Not that they would be of any use to you after they win the Dally M award.

This must be the super brain thread where all the Smart sharks fans post becuase so far you have completely missed what the Dragons are trying to do.

Just because your club has to be constantly bailed out of debt doesnt mean that the other clubs cant afford to have the salary cap raised.
Whats the Sharks motto? "When the going gets tuff, we move to the Gold Coast and ask uncle murdoch for a cheque."...ahh thats right, now I remeber.
 
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Whats this nonsense
Our latest troll, that's what it is

I dont think we talk about the Dregs as much as they talk about us

Whats this bullshit about moving to the gold coast, are you drunk? Jealous because the Dragons already relocated and only play 4 home games now?

Club bailed out of debt? As opposed to a club that had to merge to survive. And supposedly it is so flush with funds that it wants a salary cap increase but needs to beg the NSW government to fix up its shocker of a stadium, that they hardly even get to use now anyway.

Murdoch should have more of an involvement in league. Bring back Super league. It had vision when the ARL did not. And most importantly the backwards clubs like St George were not part of that vision.

All hail Uncle Rupert.
 
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