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Saints bounty punishment

Big Mick

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The NFL announced Wednesday that New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton will be suspended for one season without pay for his involvement in the team's bounty program. Saints general manager Mickey Loomis has been suspended for eight games. Former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams has been suspended indefinitely.

The team has also been fined $500,000 and will have to give up its second-round picks in the 2012 and 2013 NFL Drafts.

The league said in a news release that the involvement of individual players in the program is still being reviewed, and that any discipline will be announced at a future time.

In addition, Saints assistant head coach Joe Vitt has been suspended without pay for the first six games of the 2012 season.

Payton's suspension will begin April 1 and last for the entire 2012 season. Loomis' suspension, which is also without pay, will be for the first eight games of the 2012 season.

Williams, who was hired to be the St. Louis Rams' defensive coordinator earlier this year, will have his status reviewed by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after the 2012 regular season has ended, according to the release. Goodell will then decide if Williams should be reinstated.

Sources close to Williams told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that they were shocked by the news. The sources said they had been expecting a shorter suspension, something like a month or six games, and had been hoping for something that would last less than half a season.

The release spelled out Williams' involvement in the program, which was extensive. According to the release, he helped fund the pool that rewards came from, in addition to being the architect of the scheme.

Saints quarterback Drew Brees reacted very strongly to Payton's punishment.

"I am speechless," Brees wrote via his Twitter account. "Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this punishment."

Williams and Vitt also "misled" the league in its attempts to investigate the program, and Williams kept the program going in 2010.

It had already been known that Brett Favre and Kurt Warner had been among the quarterbacks targeted by the program. On Wednesday, the league's release revealed that the Panthers' Cam Newton and the Packers' Aaron Rodgers had also been targeted.

The NFL also issued a news release in which it announced that the rest of the teams in the league have been told by Goodell that they must ensure bounty programs are not in place. Owners and head coaches are required to provide a written guarantee to Goodell by March 30.

"Bounty programs have no place in our game," Goodell said in that release. "They are incompatible with our efforts to promote sportsmanship, fair play, and player safety."


The NFL revealed March 2 the findings of a lengthy investigation into a Saints "bounty" program that gave thousands of dollars in payoffs to players for hits that knocked opponents out of games. The program, administered by Williams, reached its height in 2009, the season the Saints won the Super Bowl.

The program ran in violation of league rules, and the investigation showed that Saints players received $1,500 for a "knockout" hit and $1,000 for a "cart-off" hit, with payouts doubling or tripling during the team's three playoff appearances.

The NFL Players Association formally requested that the league not punish the 22 to 27 players it cited in the scandal until the union had completed its independent investigation, which is underway, an NFLPA source told NFL.com's Steve Wyche.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...s-payton-one-year-?module=HP11_headline_stack
 

zombie jesus

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It's only Sapp accusing Shockey and Shockey is denying it right?
Whoever it was, good on them.
Can't say I agree with the severity of the punishment though, feel sorry for Payton.
 

Skreepe

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So wait - the aim of the game is to hit the opposing player legally ?

These guys have been punished for rewarding big hits on opposing players ?

Has there been evidence that they were told to illegally put the opposing players out of the game ?

I am confused.
 

kurt faulk

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what a disgrace this goodell character has shown himself to be.

a year suspension for the hc and an indefinite suspension for the dc of a team that apparently had a bounty programme but in reality was in the lower part of the league for illegal hits.

no suspension for the hc of a team that was caught blatently cheating and won 3 championships by blatently cheating.

this goodell is on the ball regarding important matters relating to the nfl.

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kurt faulk

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and how about leaving the rams in the lurch for this season. how the league allowed the rams to pursue and sign williams without warning them of the investigation into him and probable hefty suspension they would give him is deplorable.

now the rams have nothing and noone to sign for the dc position. it will be a committee approach using the defensive coaches on the staff, wtf?

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Raider_69

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how the league allowed the rams to pursue and sign williams without warning them of the investigation into him and probable hefty suspension they would give him is deplorable.

I havent really taken the time to assess my thoughts on the suspension but i have to agree with this point. If the NFL were investigating surely the rams should have been made aware of that fact before accepting the signing
 
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AusKnightRKO

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Seriously kurt get over the pats beating your rams, if the only way they can win is by cheat then why the hell did they make the SB in 07 and this year.

And for the punishment is harsh but means other teams wont do it now
 

DC_fan

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I have no problem with the penalties that Goodell has handed out. For mine he is trying to protect the games image and protect the players.

It will be interesting to see what penalty the players involved receive.
 

dogslife

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I saw the loss of draft picks and Williams' punishment coming, but didn't see them sitting Peyton out, wow! Goodell really isn't f**king around with player safety these days. Lol at people ragging on Shockey (or whoever made this come about), if it didn't come out these grubs would still be doing it, and it was only a matter of time before some star QB got seriously injured
 

Jono1987

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Sad, sad day for this Who Dat fan...

The only penalty I didn't see coming was the Sean Payton one. Don't see how we will be truly competitive this year. Can only hope Tom Benson will take it upon himself to give Drew the $23m he wants and deserves now. Drew is going to have to really carry the whole of Lousiana on his shoulders now.
 

dragonfire

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thats a pretty fked up penalty. What is the real issue here, the bounty, the fact that the Saints seemed to ignore Goodell or that the Saints were primed to be the first team to have a home superbowl? The league has been investigating this since 2009 and it has taken them 3 years to get this figured out? Call them grubs but you go find me footage where a Saints player has maliciously attacked an opposing quarterback and then get back to me. All i can is i am glad that we have a former HC as our DC, and a guy who stood in as HC for a couple weeks the previous season as our OC.
 

dragonfire

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ok this is a good post to put more perspective on this i got from another forum

"Sean Payton gets suspended longer than Michael Vick got for gambling and murdering dogs....longer than Ben Roethlisberger got for multiple rape accusations...longer than Bill Belichick got for actually cheating...longer than Ray Lewis got for being part of a murder committed by his posse...longer than Michael Irvin got for cocaine possession.....longer than Chris Henry got for assaulting a teenager......longer than Tank Johnson got for his arsenal of guns and assaults........longer than Plaxico Burress got for illegally discharging a gun in a New York nightclub. Way to go, Roger. Way to go"
 

dogslife

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The fact is, whether you like it or not, the league has been coming down hard on player safety in recent times. This bounty system is in direct contradiction to everything that player safety is all about, of course the penalties were going to be severe. Do I think that the penalty on Payton was too harsh, absolutely, but the fact that it had been running for so many years, and they all knew about it is inexcusable, and surely someone at the Saints organisation knew this would eventually come back to bite them on the arse
 

dragonfire

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they have been coming down hard on player safety? Giants players openly admitted to targeting Williams because they knew he had concussion issues. What did they get? The real issue is that a lot of former players have said this has been around for years, so my problem is Goodell is putting all of it on one team and as long as the other 31 teams say that they guarantee not to have it they are all sweet. The Packers got caught out with this a couple years back and they got not penalties at all.
 

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