Sam Burgess retires

[Peter Quinn]

Fine, he played 6 games. 6, 10, 14. It's irrelevant. He clearly was NOT so incapacitated that he needed to retire due to the injury. The fact that he can't continue to play at the level of a 1m a year player is irrelevant.

Souths chose to sign a player with a long history of shoulder issues to a 4 year contract. He has now succumbed to those ongoing, long term issues.

Argue it all you like, facts are facts, and facts are that he played after his operations so, unless he can medically prove that his condition has worsened since the semi finals, then he shouldn't be medically retired.

I guess if they are facts they will be submitted. But I'm not sure it is as clear as that.

 

[mave]

Yes but I think Souths are abliged to pay it because it happened playing for them.

Excellent.

Should count on the cap then.

Glad we agree.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

Yes but I think Souths are abliged to pay it because it happened playing for them.

No they are not, this would usually be covered by an insurance claim. I imagine they aren't confident it would succeed.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

Well the NRL seemed to think so for Manly and Parra, along with the Dogs reportedly trying it on with Kieran Foran.

Plus then there’s the Tigers who have been waiting over 2 months for an answer on Matulino, does anybody seriously think Souths will still be waiting for an answer after Christmas?

I expect they already received the necessary nod and wink from Toddy.

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Fine, he played 6 games. 6, 10, 14. It's irrelevant. He clearly was NOT so incapacitated that he needed to retire due to the injury. .

No it’s not irrelevant. You were wrong. Admit it. Anyone with an ouch of football DNA could see the bloke was gonski.
His heart and love of the club meant he tried.
He couldn’t contribute.

Have you ever been part of a team or played a physical sport at any level?

If you have you would understand why Sam took the punt and tried to play. That doesn’t mean he was fit to do so.

the bloke played a grand final with a busted face. He got out of hospital after having to have infusions into his heart after being poisoned

he should be praised for such courage not dismissed by some bloke on a keyboard who clearly has no idea

 

[Vic Mackey]

Fine, he played 6 games. 6, 10, 14. It's irrelevant. He clearly was NOT so incapacitated that he needed to retire due to the injury. The fact that he can't continue to play at the level of a 1m a year player is irrelevant.

Souths chose to sign a player with a long history of shoulder issues to a 4 year contract. He has now succumbed to those ongoing, long term issues.

Argue it all you like, facts are facts, and facts are that he played after his operations so, unless he can medically prove that his condition has worsened since the semi finals, then he shouldn't be medically retired.

I’m going to be blunt, I’m afraid You clearly don’t know what your talking about.

Sam played round 13 then went in for the operation. He didn’t play again till round 20 against the Sharks.
Played round 22, 24 & 25 before the 2 play off games.
That’s 6 games not the 14 you contended

anyone who saw those games knew he was busted, Bennett even gave him limited game time

I suggest you get your facts right if you want to get involved in a discussion

The injury occurred in round 5, so yes did play another 14 games

 

[Pommy]

No, but that's the risk you take with a collision sport
What is grossly unfair is that the Rabbitohs will effectively have circumvented the salary cap, and been allowed to play their roster an extra 3.6mil over the course of Sam Burgess contract.

Which is the same scale, monetary wise as the Storm Cap Scandal (which was 3.8mil over about 5 years if i recall correctly)

How can you even make the comparison between the two? f**king hell if that’s your argument you’ve lost.

 

[Mr Spock!]

His shoulder looked alright 3 days ago?

Is that his wife?

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

The injury occurred in round 5, so yes did play another 14 games

Rubbish. The complication arose from the virus he contracted after the operation.
I’ve got a mate who went in for a routine operation to fix his leg. Got golden staff and now they are likely to amputate it
It was the virus that did the damage

do you really believe Burgess is faking this. The bloke would be desperate to keep playing

 

[Peter Quinn]

No they are not, this would usually be covered by an insurance claim. I imagine they aren't confident it would succeed.

Let's see

 

[Peter Quinn]

I expect they already received the necessary nod and wink from Toddy.

I think it's only fair. The loss of 3.6 M is enough punishment. Why should they be punished again?

 

[Mr Spock!]

Why are Souths paying him his 3.6 mill ?

Didn't he retire ?

I suppose if he didn't retire, he'd just sit around doing nothing for 3 years while collecting his $3.6 million.

 

[Peter Quinn]

I suppose if he didn't retire, he'd just sit around doing nothing for 3 years while collecting his $3.6 million.

Very true.

 

[AJB1102]

If you choose to hang up the boots early for whatever reason I wouldn't think your club is obligated to pay out your contract.

 

[Mr Spock!]

If you choose to hang up the boots early for whatever reason I wouldn't think your club is obligated to pay out your contract.

Yeah tend to agree. Not sure how that works with nrl contracts.

 

[Peter Quinn]

Yeah tend to agree. Not sure how that works with nrl contracts.

Injured at work category.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Injured at work category.

For which there's workers comp....

 

[gerg]

As per this precedent, the broncos really only need a doctor to sign off on some long term debilitating injury and it's all good

Without knowing the particulars of his medical history, if he's had more than 2 major ops on any part of his body, he'll easily be able to get a doctor to say there is degenerative issues with that part of the body and that retirement is the recommendation

That's the problem with this. The injury Sam has doesnt prevent him from playing, it prevents him from being as effective and as good as he once was... all Darius needs a little arthritis in a knee/shoulder from a few ops and this precedent has the Broncos off the hook

and as i said, if im running a football club, im on the phone to NRL HQ and getting something in writing from them about this being the policy and the moment i have that, the entire way i structure contracts changes overnight.

"What's the prognosis Dr Gee?"

 

[Diesel]

Well the NRL seemed to think so for Manly and Parra, along with the Dogs reportedly trying it on with Kieran Foran.

Plus then there’s the Tigers who have been waiting over 2 months for an answer on Matulino, does anybody seriously think Souths will still be waiting for an answer after Christmas?

I don’t have a problem if Souths can request the NRL to medically retire GI & Burgess, however if Sam’s decision is made before Matulino it just shows how much harder it is going to be for the less favoured clubs.

 

[Pommy]

Yeah tend to agree. Not sure how that works with nrl contracts.

Here lies the issue. Nobody really has any idea what the contracts say and just get outraged without any facts.