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SANZAR unveil plans for new extended Super 15 competition

Twizzle

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SANZAR unveil plans for new extended Super 15 competition

May 19, 2009
SANZAR have revealed their proposed plans for an extended Super rugby competition that, if successful, will launch in 2011.

A complete overhaul of the current system will see the addition of a 15th Super rugby franchise from the Australia region however not necessarily from Australia.

The 24-week competition will guarantee each team a minimum of eight home matches and a 16-match regular season. A new six-team finals series will include an extra round with two sudden-death qualifiers before the semi-finals.

For the first time in the competition's history teams will be divided into three national conferences of five teams each.

Teams play the other four teams in their conference twice while also playing four out of the five teams from the other two conferences.

The six-team final series will consist of the three conference winners and three wildcard teams with the three wildcard teams and the conference winner with the least competition points to play an elimination round in order to advance to the semi-finals.

The new competition will stretch from the last weekend in February to the first weekend of August with a three-week bye period to accommodate the June international Test schedule.

The Tri-Nations will commence following the "Super 15" final in mid-August.

"The biggest thing the ARU conceded was the break in June, we did that so we could get a competition that starts the same time," ARU boss John O'Neill said.

While SANZAR has yet to confirm Australia will have a fifth team in its conference, O'Neill was adamant that was the rational conclusion, despite a strong push from South Africa for another team from that country.

O'Neill said he expected expressions of interest from Melbourne, Gold Coast and Western Sydney in addition to South Africa, while he also thought there could be potential bids from Japan, the Pacific Islands and possibly even New Zealand.

He said the decision on the 15th team would be "a common sense majority decision" made by the SANZAR board before the end of this year.

O'Neill felt the major criteria included an applicant's financial wherewithal, its commercial value and potential rugby audience.

"It's not rocket science, there's plenty of examples of how to do it well and there's some examples of how not to do it well," said O'Neill, who likened the process to establishing soccer's A-League a few years ago.

While some Australian Super coaches have expressed misgivings about the depth of playing talent for a fifth local franchise, O'Neill was adamant that wouldn't be a problem and that the existing teams would not be weakened.

"We will not be making the same mistakes that were made when the Western Force were established, we will guarantee that the strength of the existing franchises will not be diluted," O'Neill said.

He said the range of recruitment options for a fifth Australian franchise would include repatriating locally born players and buying players from the Pacific Islands and possibly Japan and Argentina, as well as mounting further raids on the rugby league ranks.

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Article in today's Australian suggests that Gold Coast are favourites for this.
:lol:

there is no way Australia should have another side... the addition of the force stuffed them up so much that now they cant even get one of there exiting four teams into the semis. imagine diluting the talent pool even more...

i get the feeling there going to relax eligibility for the all blacks so any new australian side can use kiwis.
 

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It's all bluff. Melbourne already has it surely. There was an article in the Herald Sun a few weeks back suggesting they've already gotten it sewn up.

Melbourne are pulling out all the stops to make sure it's them. They have the corporate support, the brand spanking new stadium, everything. Also the ARU desperately tries to push Union in Victoria, this will probably be their last chance for a professional team there for a very, very long time. Giving it to Western Sydney or the Gold Coast would probably kill Union in Victoria for good.

Also, can you imagine the stink the Reds would kick up if it was a Gold Coast team? Their talent pool is thin as it is and these guys would be eating into it. Watch how quickly the Reds move to say that with 2 extra home games they'll take one or two to Skilled Park each season.

Finally, I seriously doubt the NSWRU, ACTRU and WARU would stand for it - it'd be twice as much dough filtering ito the QRU's coffers.

It'll be Melbourne - take it to the bank.

But, all in all, I absolutely love this idea. The Super Rugby season has always been too short for mine, and going back to Coogee Oval to watch Randwick play when it's over, is ok, but leaves you craving more elite level Rugby to watch. Also, 8 Tahs home games per year is awesome. I dare say they'll take one a season to Wollongong or Newcastle now, but who cares. I get to go to 4 local derby's each year....Awesome!

Bring on 2011!
 

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I like the final series idea

so when all you other Aussie dud teams fail, you can get on the Tahs in the final
 

Coastie

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Melbourne will get...I will be there all the way.

Except for when they play the Hurricanes...

Kia ora mate, and go the Canes this evening :crazy:

From what I can see bids coming in from Melbourne, Gold Coast, and surprisingly the Western Suburbs of Sydney. Central Coast no longer interested as we have the Mariners and soon the mighty Bears :crazy:


G'day everyone btw ..... and before you ask yeah like Rugby and League.
 

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It's not going to go to the Coast or Western Sydney. The ARU have been trying to grow the code in Melbourne for too long to let up this opportunity.

All smoke and mirrors.
 

Coastie

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It's not going to go to the Coast or Western Sydney. The ARU have been trying to grow the code in Melbourne for too long to let up this opportunity.

All smoke and mirrors.

You're probably right will be interesting to see what sort of impact the sport has done there.

As an aside think SANZAR are making a huge mistake with the expansion, would have rather seen a reduction to 12 teams with better play in the matchs. Didn't even bother going to the Waratah games after the first couple turned into a cure for insomnia.

Some one wake me up when TriNations starts, will watch the S14 final, but who really gives a toss about the warm up Internationals ?
 

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Wouldnt a 5th side be somewhat disasterous on what appears to be a sh*thouse talent basin already? The reds have been woeful for years, force yet to make and impact and brumbies and waratahs were hardly great this year. A 5th side would just see more averageness from australian sides wouldnt it?
 

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No. It is another opportunity to play at the professional level - so more young guns will have incentive to stay and the experienced players will be less likely to be pushed out to play overseas.

Waratahs & Brumbies were good this year - great sometimes - did you notice how tight the competition is?
 

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No. It is another opportunity to play at the professional level - so more young guns will have incentive to stay and the experienced players will be less likely to be pushed out to play overseas.

Waratahs & Brumbies were good this year - great sometimes - did you notice how tight the competition is?

Apparently O'Neill is going to once again tamper with the requirement rule. Expect the Melbourne team to be fill of Kiwis and Pac Islands, should really have the Victorians buzzing :lol:
 

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Here's a ridiculous article written by the cretinous Northern-Hemisphere ELV-killing scum.

Is this Sanzar's biggest error?

The new Super 15 was unveiled on Tuesday. It is an incomprehensible compromise of compromises, tainted with the ink of newscorp cash.



If you've not seen it yet, have a look here.

So, John O'Neill, the man who will not shut up or do or say anything for the good of the game of rugby, appears to have got his way mostly, but the whole lot appears to be such a half-measured set of improvisations that it is doubtful whether anyone is truly happy.


But let's look at O'Neill's victory - for an increase in Australia's Sanzar revenue share and the virtual dissolution of the Currie Cup and Air New Zealand Cups are undoubtedly that.


He believes the game should change in order to create more tries, continuing to promote a ludicrous set of rules under which, lest we forget, not a single Australian team has qualified for the Super 14 semi-finals this year and which have raised widespread derision from most corners of the globe.


Well, the problem of qualification has been solved: one team from each country at least will qualify thanks to the new national conference system. As for the issue of the rules: we'll see, but the IRB has dug heels in just a little bit harder with its recent pronouncement of global rules. O'Neill's rugby league-style cheats' charter may have to wait a little longer yet.


He has also won the running to have a fifth franchise in Australia despite some of his finest coaches and figures in the game warning Australia does not have the playing stocks.


His solution to that? Have a 'hybrid' franchise; a franchise consisting of players from the Pacific Islands, South Africa, New Zealand et al. What a lovely concept for the new host city. I bet Melbourne can't wait to have a team of locals from South Africa, New Zealand and Tonga to identify with.


The other solution?


"We will not be making the same mistakes that we did when the Western Force was established. We will guarantee that the playing strength of the existing franchises is not diluted and the range of options include repatriating players from overseas...There are also 16 NRL teams with players with the required skills. We are not without a reasonable pool from which to fish."


Aha, a team of rugby league players. Wonderful. Just what rugby union needs as it struggles with a rise in off-field misbehaviour all over the world.


As for the rest... the Tri-Nations will go ahead with the annual dirge of nine matches featuring the same old players and teams, with the likely exception of the neutral territory O'Neill farms a Wallaby match out to in the name of raising petty cash.


It also means that, in spite of all the positive noises and the repeated calls from fans and governing body alike, Argentina are set to be shut out of any possible SH competition for some time to come, as are the Pacific Islands (who do at least have the carrot of the Pacific Nations tournament). Is anybody other than John O'Neill happy about this?


Then, there's the structure itself. In a flawless act of genius, the Super 15 will take a three-week break, right at the most critical point of the season, in order to accomodate the June Tests. Just as interest in a tournament should be peaking, along come the internationals to break up the momentum and - let's not kid ourselves - plague the business end of the tournament with fatigue and injuries.


The potholes in the plan continue. The peculiar wild-card play-off system and qualification thereto, the fact that some teams will play other weaker teams more than others while playing two other teams not at all during the conference period.


The drawn-out play-off system that will see a number of internationals head back to domestic rugby for two or three weeks while it is all concluded before heading into the marathon Tri-Nations.


But most of all, it is the selling out of the provincial tournaments in South Africa and New Zealand that disturbs the most.


There must be an awful lot of money involved for anyone other than John O'Neill to be happy about that. I wonder which part of rugby's soul will next fall foul of a deal so unswervingly self-serving in nature.

By Danny Stephens
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16016_5337327,00.html

You know, he does raise a couple of good points, but so clearly has an axe to grind against John O'Neill that it's lost amidst all the ranting and raving.

I've seen both semi-finals of the Super 14, and the Heineken Cup final. Guess which game I dozed off in after 10 minutes? That's right, that abortion of a game they play in the northern hemisphere. It's absolutely criminal that the free kick ELV has been killed off in favour of going back to a penalty-a-thon, but that's what happens when the least successful yet somehow most powerful nations have the deciding say. What a bloody farce.
 

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f**king hell. This is the biggest and best step forward for Rugby Union in this country in, um, ever and it's taken less than a week for the idiots to get the knives out.
 

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Read the article - emo kids need their sport too. There is not a genuine observation in it - just a lot of prejudice & whining.

Big Time - you might like to go to the fight club forum. More your style.
 

Big Time

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Hey I was just saying what a great idea it is. I even have a better idea. To go with reducing to 13 players, maybe even remove rucks and mauls and have six tackles to set. Could then maybe change the name, hows Rugby League sound. What a splendid idea old chap.
 

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You're probably right will be interesting to see what sort of impact the sport has done there.

As an aside think SANZAR are making a huge mistake with the expansion, would have rather seen a reduction to 12 teams with better play in the matchs. Didn't even bother going to the Waratah games after the first couple turned into a cure for insomnia.

Some one wake me up when TriNations starts, will watch the S14 final, but who really gives a toss about the warm up Internationals ?


It is the most interesting year of 'warm up' internationals for the Aussies.


  • 1st Barbarians test in Australia
  • Return to Canberra with the Italians & then Melbourne
  • And a test against full-blown French team which is a change
  • 1st Bledisloe
  • Then the tr-nations
 

Coastie

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f**king hell. This is the biggest and best step forward for Rugby Union in this country in, um, ever and it's taken less than a week for the idiots to get the knives out.

Timbo it might be a big step up in Oz, but in NZ this is going to be pretty destructive to the local ANZC competition which is already finding it hard to stay afloat. Word is Counties have already requested a withdraw from the competition.

Equally the whole three week stand down period is pretty much going to ensure supporters of the nine teams that didn't make the finals aren't going to be arsed turning into the final games, ergo TV numbers down, ergo competition not long term supportable.

Of interest the Waratahs are already looking overseas for two props for 2010, yes Australia definitely has the resources for five teams ;-)

The whole S15 setup is a mad woman's breakfast and will, imho, lead to a downturn in viewing numbers both at the games and on television.
 
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