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SANZAR unveil plans for new extended Super 15 competition

Parra

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This will be great for Australian teams. I'd like to see each team play all other teams from the other conferences, rather than only four.

The break in the comp to accomodate local test matches is good. I don't mind seeing mid-comp representative footy, but not at the expense of the competition. Scheduling a break is the way to do it. Better than mid-week tests and weakened local teams and/or split rounds.
 

Te Kaha

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Timbo it might be a big step up in Oz, but in NZ this is going to be pretty destructive to the local ANZC competition which is already finding it hard to stay afloat. Word is Counties have already requested a withdraw from the competition.
I dont know where you get you "word" from, but counties have actually been begging to STAY IN not withdrawing.... they wont of course... they dont have the money.... The ANZC was never going to survive in a professional era with the population and geographical spread that NZ has... its not like Sydney where they dont have to worry about travel and accomodation... the NPC will become amatuer with 14 teams or semi pro with 10. thats the fact of life... NZ just doesnt have the population for two fully pro comps.. the NZRU knows it.. the provinces know it but they dont want to bite the bullet....

Equally the whole three week stand down period is pretty much going to ensure supporters of the nine teams that didn't make the finals aren't going to be arsed turning into the final games, ergo TV numbers down, ergo competition not long term supportable.
Given that the conference system is going to mean more teams are in the hunt till the end i seriously doubt that numbers will fall off that much... look at the SUper 14 this year... viewing was way up in the last couple of weeks...

Of interest the Waratahs are already looking overseas for two props for 2010, yes Australia definitely has the resources for five teams ;-)
They dont... and it will mean that no aussie team will dominate the Super comp... they just dont have the depth.. the good news is that due to the conference set up NZ teams only have to play two of there useless teams a year and only one at home... shouldnt knock crowds to much at all.

The whole S15 setup is a mad woman's breakfast and will, imho, lead to a downturn in viewing numbers both at the games and on television.
rubbish... NZ viewing figures are always up when playing home teams... who cares about the aussies.

This will be great for Australian teams. I'd like to see each team play all other teams from the other conferences, rather than only four.
forget it.. the season will be long enough as it is... and we wouldnt want to inflict the useless aussie teams here to much.

The break in the comp to accomodate local test matches is good. I don't mind seeing mid-comp representative footy, but not at the expense of the competition. Scheduling a break is the way to do it. Better than mid-week tests and weakened local teams and/or split rounds.
Indeed... the break is a good thing.. tho it could seriously hurt rep laden teams.
 

shiznit

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Hey I was just saying what a great idea it is. I even have a better idea. To go with reducing to 13 players, maybe even remove rucks and mauls and have six tackles to set. Could then maybe change the name, hows Rugby League sound. What a splendid idea old chap.
nahh... sounds stupid...
 

Coastie

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I dont know where you get you "word" from, but counties have actually been begging to STAY IN not withdrawing.... they wont of course... they dont have the money.... The ANZC was never going to survive in a professional era with the population and geographical spread that NZ has... its not like Sydney where they dont have to worry about travel and accomodation... the NPC will become amatuer with 14 teams or semi pro with 10. thats the fact of life... NZ just doesnt have the population for two fully pro comps.. the NZRU knows it.. the provinces know it but they dont want to bite the bullet....

Counties don't have a major sponsor for 2009 let alone future years, of course that could be due to playing away from home while their stadium was being upgraded. Word is from a source at the actual meeting via a family member. They are looking at axing four to five teams for 2010 from the ANZC, that's going to be a bun fight when they try and retain the S14/S15 franchise

Given that the conference system is going to mean more teams are in the hunt till the end i seriously doubt that numbers will fall off that much... look at the SUper 14 this year... viewing was way up in the last couple of weeks...

Given your team doesn't make the finals, the number of people who will find other things to do will be?

They dont... and it will mean that no aussie team will dominate the Super comp... they just dont have the depth.. the good news is that due to the conference set up NZ teams only have to play two of there useless teams a year and only one at home... shouldnt knock crowds to much at all.

rubbish... NZ viewing figures are always up when playing home teams... who cares about the aussies.

NZ viewing figures are down due to overexposure, the number one issue facing the S14 comp at the moment.

forget it.. the season will be long enough as it is... and we wouldnt want to inflict the useless aussie teams here to much.

If you aren't from the five franchises who are you going to support? This will have even more effect on franchise bases signing Provincial players.

Indeed... the break is a good thing.. tho it could seriously hurt rep laden teams.
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Sorry the break is going to lose all go forward in the comp, if "my" team isn't in the finals and it's been three weeks since the last game why exactly would I want to tune in? Over here we have NRL, AFL, "A" League etc to divide time between.
 

Timbo

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That last comment is just plain silly...it's like saying I'll stop following a sport in the off season because it isn't on for a while.
 

d3@t3h

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...015651,00.html
THE emergence of the Melbourne Victory A-League club as a shock bidder for the Super 15 expansion licence could ignite a battle between the state rugby bodies and the Australian Rugby Union for control of the game.
Asked yesterday whether he was behind a second Melbourne consortium bidding for the Super 15 licence in opposition to the Victorian Rugby Union, Melbourne Victory owner and chairman Geoff Lord simply replied: "No comment".
But Lord, the former president of the Hawthorn Football Club, previously has not ruled out branching out into other football codes if Victory's stockholders requested it. And a number of other Melbourne sources have confirmed that Lord is behind the previously undisclosed second Victorian bid.
The revelation of the Melbourne Victory bid coincided with the resignations yesterday of three members of the seven-person VRU board, Nick Farnan, Glenn Fowles and Craig Dunn over what Farnan described as "governance concerns" with the VRU.
Earlier this week The Australian revealed disquiet within the VRU that its president, Gary Gray, was being undermined by the ARU, the same body that, in the first instance, will vet expressions of interest to be lodged with it by July 22 before deciding which bids will be asked to make full applications to be submitted to SANZAR on September 18. The winning bid will be announced on October 31.
Even though Gray was supported last Friday by an 18-0 vote of Victorian club presidents who also empowered him to seek the resignation of dissident directors, the resignation of almost half the VRU board is hardly likely to improve its chances of having the ARU endorse its Super 15 bid.
The revelation by senior ARU administrator Matt Carroll yesterday that he had met the second Victorian consortium while in Melbourne for the June 20 second Test against Italy has heightened fears within the VRU that the state body could be sidelined.
"We knew there was a group down there interested," said Carroll who, like ARU chief executive John O'Neill, is well-acquainted with Lord and the Melbourne Victory from the period when they both worked for Football Federation of Australia in setting up the A-League.
"One would think at the end of the day there's only room for one group coming out of Melbourne."
There is almost no chance of the VRU inviting Lord into its consortium, or vice versa, although several elements of their bids will overlap, most significantly the fact both plan to play at the new state-of-the-art rectangular stadium that will come online in Melbourne's Olympic precinct next March.
The Victorian government, which is building the stadium, has been a solid supporter of the VRU bid, but at the end of the day its primary concern is in securing reliable tenants for the new complex.
The Melbourne Victory operation could easily accommodate a rugby component on top of its soccer program since the A-League is played throughout the summer while the Super 15 will run from February-August.
Victoria is not the only state rugby union alarmed at the prospect of the national body aligning itself with a private corporation, especially since the ARU has already flagged it intends seriously to investigate private equity ownership models for its other four existing Super 14 franchises.
Carroll revealed that the licences of all existing Australian Super rugby franchises will expire at the end of next year - when the broadcast agreement runs out. And while logic suggests that the Reds would remain under the control of the Queensland Rugby Union, the Waratahs under the NSWRU, the Brumbies under the ACTRU and the Western Force under Rugby WA, there seemingly would be no impediment to the ARU re-allocating Super 15 licences to private consortiums if it saw the need.
At the very least, the threat of taking the licences away from them - even if the brand names remain state-owned - would be an effective means of steering reluctant state bodies down the private-equity route.
"It's possible," one state chairman admitted when that scenario was put to him yesterday. "It's very possible."
The premature revelation of the Victory bid is certain to dramatically raise the stakes at Tuesday's meeting of state chairmen with the ARU.
"There is nothing that is off the table," said ARU chairman Peter McGrath, referring to the meeting. "Private equity will definitely be discussed. We want to introduce additional capital. It works in the UK and France, but no one size fits all and we don't want to make the same mistakes made in those countries."
 

Greenbits

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Man, just looking at the plan for that playoff series makes my head hurt. And I thought the McIntyre system was overly complicated.

Under that system, the second best team in the competition could possibly miss out on the final series (if 1st and 2nd are from the same conference). Ridiculous.
 

Parra

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Man, just looking at the plan for that playoff series makes my head hurt. And I thought the McIntyre system was overly complicated.

Under that system, the second best team in the competition could possibly miss out on the final series (if 1st and 2nd are from the same conference). Ridiculous.

Read it again
 
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