Save Our Sides Protest Rally - Campbelltown 05FEB

[joejoe]

And doesn't this say it all

Saturday, February 18, Campbelltown Sports Stadium
3.30pm: NSW State Cup: Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers v Newtown Jets
5.15pm: NYC: Wests Tigers v Sydney Roosters
7.30pm: NRL: Wests Tigers v Sydney Roosters

A Balmain squad (full of Magpies) playing before Wests Tigers at Campbelltown.

how did our joint venture end up so broken

 

[alien]

And doesn't this say it all

Saturday, February 18, Campbelltown Sports Stadium
3.30pm: NSW State Cup: Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers v Newtown Jets
5.15pm: NYC: Wests Tigers v Sydney Roosters
7.30pm: NRL: Wests Tigers v Sydney Roosters

A Balmain squad (full of Magpies) playing before Wests Tigers at Campbelltown.

how did our joint venture end up so broken

yeah its a bloody disgrace. i live in walking distance from the stadium and i wont be there because of what they are doing to the magpies and rugby league in this area

 

[paulmac]

Its hardly surprising when Humphries (Balmain as you can get)is in charge of the JV.I dont follow Wests but as a disgruntled bear you have every North Sydney fans support.

 

[joejoe]

Thanks paulmac.

We are feeling very unloved out in the Macarthur by the Wests Tigers atm.

I met with a few of the local clubs delegates today and when you hear the road blocks they have been faced with, you understand quickly that Rugby League in the Macarthur is rotten to the core.

The Magpies issue really is only the tip of the ice berg.

 

[joejoe]

Thanks paulmac.

We are feeling very unloved out in the Macarthur by the Wests Tigers atm.

I met with a few of the local clubs delegates today and when you hear the road blocks they have been faced with, you understand quickly that Rugby League in the Macarthur is rotten to the core.

The Magpies issue really is only the tip of the ice berg.

 

[skeepe]

Why did the proposed Raiders/Magpies proposed venture fall through? I can't remember the exact details, but it would have more than likely have solved a number of the grievances listed here, obviously not NRL but the NSW Cup side would have had a direct link to the NRL... instead the Raiders have linked with Mounties, which is still in the area isn't it? But not the same thing obviously.

 

[alien]

Why did the proposed Raiders/Magpies proposed venture fall through? I can't remember the exact details, but it would have more than likely have solved a number of the grievances listed here, obviously not NRL but the NSW Cup side would have had a direct link to the NRL... instead the Raiders have linked with Mounties, which is still in the area isn't it? But not the same thing obviously.

i dont think it was allowed because wests is part of wests tigers. it would be good if the excess raiders nrl players could play for wests magpies. its hard to be competitive when we get no nrl players and the other teams do

 

[alien]

and from what i hear wests magpies wont even be wests tiger's 3rd grade side. instead it will be concord-burwood-nth ryde in the bundy cup. how spiteful are wests tigers being to wests magpies. its pathetic

 

[***MH***]

In the Harold Matts, what impact does the South West Sydney Academy have on the Magpies?

 

[thorson1987]

In the Harold Matts, what impact does the South West Sydney Academy have on the Magpies?

Very little.

Like the western Sydney academy the team is made up of kids who didn't make the grade for Wests, or aren't favorites of the coaches and selectors.

 

[joejoe]

its interesting to see that SWSAS Harrold Matts team will be using Canterbury juniors as well this year.

http://www.swsas.org.au/info.php?id=26

 

[joejoe]

A peaceful "Save Our Sides" Rugby League Protest Rally will be held at Campbelltown in the hope of getting a better deal for the Macarthur region.

The protest Rally will be held this Sunday (5th February 2012) starting at Campbelltown Council at 10am and will march to Campbelltown Stadium where the crowd will be addressed by key note speakers.



The three main issues:

- The killing of the Western Suburbs Magpies from NSW Cup
- Local Campbelltown Clubs not being allowed to Play and Train in Campbelltown
- Wests Tigers only playing 4 games a year at Campbelltown Stadium





Killing the Western Suburbs Magpies
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Wests Tigers are pressuring Wests Ashfield Leagues club to to kill off the last local senior representative team in the Macarthur area.

Wests Tigers want to replace the Western Suburbs Magpies NSW Cup side with teams based in the inner city at Concord.

Wests Tigers want a single NSW Cup team and are also forming an alliance with a Bundy Cup team based at Concord for the excess fringe players.

The Wests Tigers do not provide any financial support of the Magpies NSW Cup team with the majority of the funding coming from Wests Ashfield Leagues Club.

Wests Campbelltown Leagues Club also do not provide any financial support of the Magpies and have been voting inline with Balmain Tigers in the Wests Tigers board room meetings to dissolve the Magpies NSW Cup team.

As of 2012, the Wests Tigers have stopped ALL support of the Wests Magpies in the NSW Cup whilst continuing to fully support the Balmain Tigers.

The Magpies NSW Cup team is currently operating off a $300,000 grant from Wests Ashfield Leagues club for 2012. No funding has been promised for 2013.

The Western Suburbs Magpies will celebrate their 104th birthday the day before the Rally on the 4th of February.




Local Campbelltown Sides
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Three local senior Campbelltown clubs have had their request to play and train in Campbelltown denied by the NSWRL

The three clubs are the Campbelltown Eagles, Campbelltown City Kangaroos (Seniors) and the Macarthur Bulls

These three local clubs have left the Wests Junior League Competition after their players voted unanimously to join the neighboring Group 6 competition.

The players stated they wanted to be a part of a well run competition where you could actually play good football and not just worry about getting 'bashed"

The players whilst not happy about it, have been willing to travel the extra distances to continue to play in Group 6.

The Wests Junior League with the backing of Wests Tigers, NSWRL and Campbelltown Council have prevented these sides from securing the use of their own home grounds in Campbelltown claiming they have a viable competition they must play in.

The three clubs all stated if forced to return to the Wests junior League they will struggle to field senior teams as their players will flock to Group 6 sides for the better standard of competition.

The Wests Junior League competition has been constantly marred with violence and the Administrations failure to address this issue has scared off many potential players and now entire clubs.

The three clubs just want their senior sides to be able to play and train in Campbelltown whilst competing in the Group 6 competition.

The clubs are happy for their junior teams to continue in the Wests Junior League Competition but would like to see an investigation carried out into the health of the competitions administration.





Wests Tigers at Campbelltown Stadium
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Campbelltown Stadium had its NRL games reduced from six games to three in 2005 when Wests Tigers claimed that the corporate facilities were inadequate and that it cost too much to hire extra lighting and a big screen television.

The ground has since then had over $8 million spent on it from Government grants to meet Wests Tigers requirements.

In 2012 Wests Tigers will play just four NRL home games at Campbelltown Stadium whilst it plays eight game in the inner city at Leichhardt Oval and the Sydney Football Stadium.

Local fans fear the strong Rugby League area may become the focus of a take over by the cashed up AFL as they continue their push into Western Sydney




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An online petition has been started at www.wests.co.nr

Organisers of the Rally urge local residents to get behind the cause for a fair go for our kids and our area.

People attending the rally are advised to bring water, hats and to dress in their Local Club, Magpies or Wests Tigers jerseys.

If this rally fails to generate the desired outcomes, further protest action has already been planned.




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Public Transport is recommended if possible with train and bus service available to take people to and from Leumeah and Campbelltown Stations.
We advise those driving to park your car at Campbelltown and just catch the train back from Leumeah Station.

For those unable to walk the whole distance, join the march from the Campbelltown Council at 10am. We will first march 500 meters to Langdone Ave. Here those not wanting to march the entire distance will be able to return to their cars and drive to Leumeah for the 2nd half of the Protest March as we march down Old Leumeah Road past the Wests Leagues Club and into the Campbelltown Stadium Car Park.

If you are fit enough to walk the whole distance (Approx 2.5km) we would encourage you to do so.

Please be advised media agencies will be invited to photograph the event.


MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE ACTUAL ROUTE OF THE MARCH
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/single/?p=8251807&t=7318595


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Quotes from Rally organiser Graeme Szynal regarding the Wests Tigers

"We all support the Wests Tigers, we just want a fair go for the local kids and our region"

"Wests Magpies offered to be Wests Tigers sole NSW Cup feeder team, but they rejected the offer"

"The Magpies are a rare part of our games history that dates back to day zero. Why is everyone so keen to kill it off?"

"We need more local opportunities for our kids not less"

"Why do kids, many of whom are still studying and have homework, have to travel to Concord to train and play rep footy when there is a perfectly viable option to do so locally with the Magpies?"

"The Magpies have been in Campbelltown for 25 years providing kids a pathway to the NRL"

"Millions of our tax dollars have been spent upgrading Campbelltown Stadium to meet Wests Tigers demands, our population has gone through the roof and AFL is knocking on the door, and we still only get 4 games."

"Original thoughts were we would get at least 500 people to the Rally. But these issues seem to have struck a chord with the local community and with the amazing interest this rally has generated we could end up being pleasantly surprised by the turn out"




Quote on twitter from Melbourne Storm player and Magpie Junior Ryan Hoffman

"It's killing me seeing the way @westsmagpies are getting treated. Had 2nd rate treatment since the merger began. Westies love a fight though"




Quote on twitter from Cronulla Sharks, former Wests Tigers premiership winning player and Magpie Junior Bryce Gibbs regarding the Wests Tigers decision to stop supporting the Wests Magpies

"balmain fans are in charge there now! Disgrace"

"I grew up on Rudd Rd right next to Campbelltown Stadium! You need a Magpies team for the kids in the area to prevent them going to the Parramatta district! No Magpies = No future for the kids of Campbelltown and a bigger chance of them going to AFL!!"





Quote from former NRL Wests Magpies and Wests Tigers player, Kevin McGuiness

What will happen to the kids in our area? What will they aspire to be? Wests Magpies is our Local Representative Team and I’m worried about the future and Development of the children in our area. I have a young child that wants to play Rugby League in the area but what opportunities will he have?






Quote from Coaching and Development Co-ordinator Campbelltown Eagles RLFC Daniel Draper

"All we want is our club to play and train in Campbelltown whilst competing in a well run competition, its not that hard"

"With our three local clubs gone and the Magpies killed off, we face the real possibility that there will no senior football played in Campbelltown on a weekend"

"It is rare for clubs like ours with such a fierce on field rivalry to be united 100% behind this cause and this rally"




Quote from former Wests Magpies NRL player Damien Kennedy

I got a start in Jersey Flegg, under 21’s, Reserve Grade and learnt how to play NRL Footy with the Magpies at Campbelltown, I was an outsider living and Representing Campbelltown and I wouldn’t of got this opportunity if it wasn’t for the Magpies and the Campbelltown area. The Wests Tigers couldn’t lead a Horse to Water for what they are doing to the area. It’s also ludicrous that Campbelltown Council would allow this to happen, Campbelltown Clubs that cannot Train and Play in the Campbelltown LGA, these clubs should have the backing from Campbelltown Council and it is ridiculous on what is happening in senior Rugby League in Campbelltown.


Quote from Magpie 1st Grader and Life Member on the club Bruce (Bruiser) Clarke

"I gave nine hard years to the Magpies and I feel disappointed that the boards of Ashfield and Campbelltown Leagues Clubs can't better support them."

"I am a life member of the Magpies, but the way things are going I might soon be a life member of nothing"



Quote from Campbelltown Eagles Junior and former Magpie NSW Cup player of the Year Fataitoa Asa

"Wests Magpies give children in our area an accessible avenue of becoming like their NRL heros and may even become hometown heros like legends of yesteryear such as John Skandalis, Bryce Gibbs and Brett Hodgson. Without the Magpies, junior Rugby League will suffer in this, with many defecting to other competitions or giving up on their dreams all together."



Quote from Laurie Ferguson MP, Member for Werriwa.

The Magpies as a foundation club has earned its place in the NSW Rugby League and its history. To argue money cheapens a proud jumper. The area has the facilities the passion and the pride to have their local team – the Magpies.

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Recent players who got their NRL chance through the Wests Magpies

Western Suburbs Magpies have recently provided a "Pathway to Success" for players like Ken & Kevin McGuiness, Ciriaco Mescia, Brett Hodgson, John Skandalis, Steve Georgallis, Isaac DeGois, Luke Covell, Ben Roberts, Shane Perry, Ryan Hoffman, Shannon McDonnell, Dean Collis, Daine Laurie, Shannon Gallant, Peni Tagive, Rocky Trimarchi, Gray Viane, Stuart Flanagan, Simon Dwyer, Matt Groat, Ray Cashmere, William Mataka, Liam Fulton, Beau Ryan, Bryce Gibbs and Chris Lawrence.



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Media Coverage


The Rally has been advertised on the web, online forums, facebook, twitter, in all the local papers, the Sydney papers, Sports Tonight (Channel 10), talk back radio (2SM, 2KY and 2GB), FM radio (C91.3 FM) and flyers have been handed out at local train stations.

Full list of media here:
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/single/?p=8250204&t=7318595

Over 10,000 views on the Wests Tigers Forum before it was closed down by management - http://www.weststigersforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=4e6bbb7435016f1bdd1795202b96eec9

Over 13,000 views of the Wests Supporter Forum - http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/forum/3008853/



Links:
>>> CLOSED - Wests Tigers Forum - http://www.weststigersforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10842&p=251907&time=1324768287#p251907
- Wests Magpies Twitter - http://twitter.com/westsmagpies
- Magpie Flag Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002552350346
>>> REMOVED - Group 6 Page - http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_...sID=20854&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=17967075
>>> REMOVED - Group 6 juniors Page - http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_...ID=19779&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=17973053
- LeagueUnlimited - http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=395985
- LeagueUnlimited 2 - http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?p=7999205&posted=1#post7999205
- RLeague - http://forums.rleague.com/posts/sho...e-Our-Sides-Protest-Rally-Campbelltown-05-Feb
- totalrl.com - http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index...e-our-sides-protest-rally-campbelltown-05-feb
- the kennel - http://www.nospam12.net.au/forum/showthread.php?t=92722&p=2483599
- Sharks Forever - http://www.sharksforever.com/forums/showthread.php?94971-Save-Our-Sides-Protest-Rally-Campbelltown
- SMH Story - http://www.smh.com.au/sport/fish--goes-off--as-fans-get-under-americans-skin-20120107-1ppbv.html
- Macarthur Chronicle - 10JAN11 - http://macarthur-chronicle-campbell...ague-in-macarthur-region-rallies-for-fair-go/
- Chook Pen - http://www.nospam13.com.au/forum/sh...rotest-Rally-Campbelltown&p=170087#post170087
- The Green House - http://leagueunlimited7.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22011&sid=b583ae4512bd2acb7cb722805a615da2
- Daily Telegraph - 11JAN - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ter-final-season/story-e6frexnr-1226241210873
- Camden Advertiser - http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/...ng-changes-sought-by-league-fans/2416487.aspx
- the Burrow - http://www.setbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1002&mforum=theburrow
- Paul Kent - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/how-west-was-lost/story-e6frexnr-1226242159632
- Christian Nicolussi - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...fast-approaching/story-e6frexnr-1226242091827
- The Roar - http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/01/13/beginning-of-the-end-for-the-magpies/
- Roy Masters - http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ext-step-for-wests-tigers-20120112-1pxjl.html
- Wests Ashfield Statement - http://www.weststigers.com.au/?s=article-display&id=46253&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
- Daniel Watson-Hayes 2SM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXWJLG0SI0
- Macarthur Chronicle 16JAN - http://macarthur-chronicle-campbell...d-for-support-to-secure-their-playing-future/
- Independent Commission - http://www.smh.com.au/sport/dont-delay-lets-get-commission-rolling-says-arko-20120114-1q0d6.html
- Roy Masters 2 - http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...d-not-all-black-and-white-20120123-1qdz7.html
- Macarthur Advertiser 25JAN - http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....ampbelltown-footy-players-plea-save-our-sides
- Wests Magpies Press Release - http://westsmagpies.blogspot.com/2012/01/western-suburbs-magpies-press-release.html


Archived Articles
- Telegraph 31Aug10 - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...y-become-extinct/story-e6frexnr-1225912101863
- Mac Chronicle 15NOV10 - http://macarthur-chronicle-camden.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/statement-campbelltown-eagles/
- Mac Chronicle 08NOV10 - http://macarthur-chronicle-camden.w...tory/clubs-keen-to-jump-ship-to-group-6-comp/
- Mac Chronicle 15NOV10 - http://macarthur-chronicle-camden.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/we-did-not-poach-clubs-says-group-6/
- Wests Junior League Statement - http://macarthur-chronicle-camden.w...western-suburbs-district-junior-rugby-league/
- Eagles Total Ban Threat - http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....e/club-threatened-with-total-ban/2139867.aspx
- Eagles Suspended Sentence 13apr11 - http://macarthur-chronicle-wollondi...league-club-gets-two-year-suspended-sentence/
- Banned for Txts - http://macarthur-chronicle-campbell.../david-lucas-banned-for-18-months-over-texts/
- Life Ban - http://macarthur-chronicle-camden.w...from-western-suburbs-district-junior-rugby-l/
- Group 6 accepts defectors - http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....roup-6-votes-to-accept-defectors/2000023.aspx
- Give us our footy back - http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....its-a-bloody-disgrace-says-henry/2181668.aspx
- Empty Nest Fury - http://digitaledition.macarthurchro...spx?iid=48810&startpage=page0000006#folio=005



>>> REMOVED = The article was taken offline. Bully tactics, touched a nerve, stand over tactics, legal threats, your guess is as good as ours.



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More info
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/single/?p=8251484&t=7318595
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/single/?p=8250647&t=7318595

Stats about the Reduction In Players In Campbelltown
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/single/?p=8251467&t=7318595

Why we feel let down by the joint venture. In Pictures
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/single/?p=8251400&t=7318595



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Reaction to the Rally

- Wests Tigers have moved their trial match against the Roosters from Leichhardt Oval to Campbelltown Stadium on February 18th
http://www.weststigers.com.au/defau...&title=tickets-on-sale-for-campbelltown-trial

- Wests Tigers have announced they will be 'blitzing' schools in the Southern Highlands areas
http://www.weststigers.com.au/defau...4&title=wests-tigers-blitz-to-visit-3-regions

- Wests Ashfield have made a Press Release
http://www.nrl.com/statement-from-wests-ashfield/tabid/10874/newsid/65658/default.aspx

- Western Suburbs Magpies have made a Press Release
http://westsmagpies.blogspot.com/2012/01/western-suburbs-magpies-press-release.html


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For more details on the rally visit www.wests.co.nr

Call Trevor Williams
East Campbelltown Eagles Life Member
Phone: 46261550

or

Graeme Szynal (after 5pm) on 0407 929 124
g.szynal@gmail.com







OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS DON'T COME AROUND OFTEN. WE NEED YOU ALL TO GET BEHIND THIS RALLY IF WE ARE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

 

[LeagueInsider]

Not a lot of 'Buzz' on here about the Rally??? Must have been a fizzer one can only assume

 

[alien]

it wasnt a fizzer and its only the beginning

 

[meltiger]

500 people/.

No one cares.

 

[joejoe]

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Background Information
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As you may or may not be aware,
Wests Tigers put forward a proposal to all Wests Tigers share holders on Thursday the 14th of June to completely change the structure of the joint venture agreement.
The proposal to be announced soon is strongly rumoured to include:

- The Western Suburbs Magpies and Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers to be replaced in the NSW Cup by a single Wests Tigers side. They will be based and train at Concord and play half of their games at Campbelltown and half their games at Leichhardt Oval.

- the private company Wests Tigers Ltd will become the District Club of both Western Suburbs and Balmain Tigers local districts.

- In the future, the Wests Tigers claim they will build a Rugby League Centre of excellence at UWS Campbelltown so the U20's team can move its operations and training to the Macarthur area.

- Wests Tigers Board, Wests Ashfield Leagues Club, Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown and the majority of the Balmain side of the joint venture are thought to support this proposal. The Magpies board is thought to be divided on the proposal.

- For this proposal to happen, the members of both Balmain and Western Suburbs Magpies football clubs will have to agree to it. However the Wests Leagues clubs could withdraw funding from the Magpies to "BULLY" them into agreeing even if the Football club members don't believe the proposal is sufficient in detail or substance.



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My thoughts on this proposal.
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Constantly remarks are made about why the Magpies supporters wont just "get over it" and support the Wests Tigers proposal to phase out the Magpies once and for all.

Well I understand some Magpie supporters will never change their feathers for fur, but I can only offer my own opinion.

First and foremost, I became a Magpie supporter because they represented the area I grew up in.
My parents didn't go for them, I didn't hop on a winning teams bandwagon. I just supported my local team that turned up to my junior footy training, the team that was in the local papers, the team that regularly turned up for school visits, the team my mates aspired to play for in junior reps.

Now the biggest gripe I have with the Wests Tigers proposal is that it doesn't offer a better deal for the community I grew up in than we currently have, or once had.

We no longer have a full time NRL team based out here.
I can accept that, we have a joint venture NRL team now, they got moved to Concord.

We now no longer have a Jersey Flegg under 20's team either. They also got moved to Concord.

Next we lose having a full time reserve grade NSW Cup team. Again to Concord.

So over the last 13 years, my local area has lost 3 senior full time representative teams that used to play and train locally.

Now the Wests Tigers proposal would be much better if the "Rugby League Centre of Excellence" they are proposing to be built at UWS was well under way in the planning stages and a definite timeline to completion is in place. But it isn't. It is still just a "nice thought".

The proposal would be harder to dismiss if a set timeline was in place when the Under 20's will move to the Macarthur, but again there isn't one.

The proposal would be harder to reject if there was a plan to continue having the 104 year old Magpies club running around in the Bundy Cup, representing the Macarthur and with full support by the Wests Tigers. Again this is absent.

So basically the area will definitely lose out with the Wests Tigers proposal in the short term , and without any real substance or concrete time lines in place, how long is the area to suffer before the Wests Tigers truly fill the void left if the Magpies are completely removed from the picture.

And all this is before we even talk about the loss of Wests idenity in the Wests Tigers, the shrinking Magpie on the sleeve and the measly 4 NRL games a year played at Campbelltown.

This is before we consider what it means to have our district league areas of Wests and Balmain run by a Private company, not an elected board from the community.

So until the Wests Tigers proposal offers more to the local community I grew up in than it currently has... I will not, and local Rugby League supporters should not support this half hearted proposal by the Wests Tigers.

If this proposal is not rectified to address these areas of concern, I will be voting against it at the extraordinary general meeting and will suggest to other members to do the same.


Graeme Szynal
Magpies Football Club Member 366

Mobile: 0407 929 124
Email: g.szynal@gmail.com

 

[RedVee]

Is there anything further?
I am a Saints supporter but MacArthur resident who tried to adopt the WTs as a 2nd team as my son played his junior footy in the area. Over the years my regard for the WTs has dwindled to nil, or maybe to antagonism. MacArthur needs a Magpies team in either the Bundy or NSW Cups, IMO.