SBW and Gaz > France RU according to this

[dallymessenger]

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/05/26/the_season_so_far_and_bulls_in.html

 

[Knight87]

well, I guess it does prove nowdays that 'contracts' mean nothing and are no longer legal agreements. Well, at least we won't have to hear about Sonny Bill incessantly whinging about how he isn't being paid enough money ($400,000/year). Seriously mate, if you incur a career-ending injury, are not offered a media position in League and are made to work in the workforce, 5 days a week, 48 out of 52 weeks a year on $50,000/year, you'll be very grateful for all those years you were earning 6 digits.

 

[vikingstorm]

the nrl is the best rugby competition of either code on earth............it is important to preserve that and develop revenue streams that allow for a higher salary cap for our star players. in reality rugby union only has two competitions that can truly compete, the english and french championships, and for a supposed global game that union professes to be that is truly abysmal.

as far as i am concerned we must also fight to maintain signed contracts. it is ludicrous that sonny bill williams can walk away from a contract simply because his new manager has a better deal.. what his manager is actually doing is undermining commercial and marketing agreements, and "scumbags" like that should be taught a lesson.

the aussie game has lost dozens of players to the english super league, but that in itself has allowed for young talent to filter through at a faster rate in the nrl. there is a great deal to protect here

 

[taste2taste]

If all these guys want is $$$ then do we really want them? i'd prefer a player who plays with passion for the jersey.

also

Am i the only one who thinks SBW would be a total flop in union. His game doesn't suit the 15 a side game, Gas will kill it but i cant see Williams doing much, hasn't got the speed to be a back, doesn't have the size to be a forward.

also

I cant believe the NRL stops players endorsing products. The players would be able to cash in on their popularity and best of all the game would get free advertising every time a nike or reebok ad came on the tele. Sportsman like Kobe Bryant and ronaldinho have become household names around the globe and a large part of that is because nike keep shoving up billboards and making tv ads. Can you imagine if the NBA told kobe he wasnt allow to sign with nike. The NRL's stance on this is absurd.

 

[Cheesie-the-Pirate]

well, I guess it does prove nowdays that 'contracts' mean nothing and are no longer legal agreements.

What a bizarre conclusion to reach. Contracts are not unbreakable agreements.

 

[no name]

Seriously mate, if you incur a career-ending injury, are not offered a media position in League and are made to work in the workforce, 5 days a week, 48 out of 52 weeks a year on $50,000/year, you'll be very grateful for all those years you were earning 6 digits.

:lol:

Who in their right mind would offer this bloke a position in media. Very little speaking skills and even less personality.

 

[Pierced Soul]

:lol:

Who in their right mind would offer this bloke a position in media. Very little speaking skills and even less personality.

have a look at the dribblers on the footy show, and people like tallis and alexander who do commentary on fox....

if he does break contract i hope the dogs sue the sh*t out of him

 

[RABK]

If all these guys want is $$$ then do we really want them? i'd prefer a player who plays with passion for the jersey.

also

Am i the only one who thinks SBW would be a total flop in union. His game doesn't suit the 15 a side game, Gas will kill it but i cant see Williams doing much, hasn't got the speed to be a back, doesn't have the size to be a forward.

also

I cant believe the NRL stops players endorsing products. The players would be able to cash in on their popularity and best of all the game would get free advertising every time a nike or reebok ad came on the tele. Sportsman like Kobe Bryant and ronaldinho have become household names around the globe and a large part of that is because nike keep shoving up billboards and making tv ads. Can you imagine if the NBA told kobe he wasnt allow to sign with nike. The NRL's stance on this is absurd.

He is a 6'3, 108kg man that can run the 40 metre in 5 seconds flat. If you could name me one union player anywhere in the world who can match those stats i'd be very suprised.

And no, dunning rolling down a hill doesn't count.

 

[Abz]

Look at his head, does he look like he knows what he's talking about???

 

[[furrycat]]

well, I guess it does prove nowdays that 'contracts' mean nothing and are no longer legal agreements. Well, at least we won't have to hear about Sonny Bill incessantly whinging about how he isn't being paid enough money ($400,000/year). Seriously mate, if you incur a career-ending injury, are not offered a media position in League and are made to work in the workforce, 5 days a week, 48 out of 52 weeks a year on $50,000/year, you'll be very grateful for all those years you were earning 6 digits.

... What?

They are still legal agreements :lol: Many just have loop holes that the clubs agree to for them to get out. Not the case for SBW and if he tries to leave, he'll be sued for breach of contract. I dont know how you've come to this.

 

[[furrycat]]

And quite simply, SBW isn't going anywhere. He isn't going to be let out of his contract unless he wants to sit out for 4 years and be sued $3mil+

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

The ARL/NRL and the ESL should have a policy in place that blokes who go to Union are never to play in either comp again.

 

[Tidus_Raider]

I think its sad when clubs recruit talent at a young age, nurture them, bring them through their junior ranks,invest time and money into them and then be outbid for them because they cant compete with other codes financially.

On the flip side, forget about SBW for a second beacuse he signed an iron clad contract with no get out clause. put yourself in Gaz's position. His occupation is professional RL player. If you had a job, worked there for a few years got on great with your boss and colleagues or whoever but where offered DOUBLE maybe more to do a similar job would you seriously not take it knowing that at best you have 7-8 years left performing this same 'job' and after that you will have to make a career change where the dollars are going to be nowhere near what they currently are.

There's arguments on both sides. Just look at the AFL. granted they are the only league in the world and their position is unique but you never hear player disdain for lack of money the players union are never at loggerheads with the league over pay. Why? beacuse there stars earn what they deserve and should be earning being high class athletes in australia.

RL is the most popular sport in QLD and NSW yet second rate test cricketers are earning more then some state of origin stars.

It goes back to dollars and cents but the game really is being run into the ground.

hate the AFLas much as you want but they are one of the most professional sporting bodies in the world when it comes to milking every dollar and cent out of the corporate sector and spin doctoring their game.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

There's arguments on both sides. Just look at the AFL. granted they are the only league in the world and their position is unique but you never hear player disdain for lack of money the players union are never at loggerheads with the league over pay. Why? beacuse there stars earn what they deserve and should be earning being high class athletes in australia.

I disagree.

They don't complain simply because they don't have another option. An AFL player isn't going to be offered more money to play it or a similar sport for more money like a Rugby League player can be.

It just simply can't happen.

 

[Tidus_Raider]

I guarantee you Sydney Swans stars like Leo Barry and Adam Goodes earn more then most RL players in sydney, excluding third party payments.

The elite AFL players earn vastly more then the top RL players and thats a known fact.

My argument is that they earn what they deserve. They are content. I guarantee you if RL players could earn the same amount playing in the NRL as they do in SuperLeague then not one player would of gone over under the age of 28.

Players want to secure there future. RL careers these days last 7-8 years before there is a new kind on the block. 7-8 years to earn as much as you can before having to look in the workplace for a normal job.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I guarantee you Sydney Swans stars like Leo Barry and Adam Goodes earn more then most RL players in sydney, excluding third party payments.

Who?

And so what?

They don't have anywhere else to go, apart from another AFL club, even if they don't earn big money.

The elite AFL players earn vastly more then the top RL players and thats a known fact.

It's not exactly a secret that the AFL has money. What they don't have is another competition/sport poaching their players which means there is no legitimate comparison.

My argument is that they earn what they deserve. They are content. I guarantee you if RL players could earn the same amount playing in the NRL as they do in SuperLeague then not one player would of gone over under the age of 28.

They are content because the only choice they have is to change to another AFL club.

What are they going to do if they're not happy with their money, apart from stamp their feet?

Players want to secure there future. RL careers these days last 7-8 years before there is a new kind on the block. 7-8 years to earn as much as you can before having to look in the workplace for a normal job.

If a player wants to go to Union in France, that's his decision. Our decision should be to not re-employ that player ever because he, by going to the enemy, makes that enemy stronger. And we have to look after our game.

Having said that, we need to look closely at ways to get more money into these poor bastard's pockets. I hate seeing a bloke on 600k a year go hungry.

 

[Pierced Soul]

Players want to secure there future. RL careers these days last 7-8 years before there is a new kind on the block. 7-8 years to earn as much as you can before having to look in the workplace for a normal job.

they can be prostitutes as well if they'd like they use the same 'only have a certain amount of time to sue my skills' ethos.

it's allw ell and good to make up a figure of 7-8 years but who's paying the money. clubs are struggling financially, they dont have the money to pay every player $300K because the paleyrs deserve it.

the fact we have so many top players in Australia says they are for the most part content. I dont see locky going anwhere, or inglis, or thurston, or prince, or mason, or bowen etc

we've seen gasnier whinging about money a few years ago and doing it again now and we have sbw with his managers hand up his arse whinging about money when he signed a contract last year. it isnt as though sbw wouldnt have realsied what was on offer last year but he chose to stay 'loyal', bagegd mason and now is a HYPOCRITE

 

[Murphdogg1]

He is a 6'3, 108kg man that can run the 40 metre in 5 seconds flat. If you could name me one union player anywhere in the world who can match those stats i'd be very suprised.

And no, dunning rolling down a hill doesn't count.

There are outstanding athletes in RU too believe it or not

Just one example - Liam Messam is 190cm tall (SBW is 191cm tall) and 108 kg and can run the 40 in 5 secs as well

I realise your point and i think the other poster (claiming SBW wouldn't cut it at Union) went over the top but just because you don't like Rugby Union doesn't mean their aren't quality athletes playing it.

 

[Dogs Of War]

I disagree.

They don't complain simply because they don't have another option. An AFL player isn't going to be offered more money to play it or a similar sport for more money like a Rugby League player can be.

It just simply can't happen.

But an AFL playeralso has the option to get his true earning potential as they don't have the same issue with 3rd party agreements in the cap like we do. Once that has changed in the NRL, we will see a lot more players not having to leave due to money.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

But an AFL playeralso has the option to get his true earning potential as they don't have the same issue with 3rd party agreements in the cap like we do. Once that has changed in the NRL, we will see a lot more players not having to leave due to money.

I can't see how anyone earns their true potential without competition.

The AFL's is controlled by the AFL, no outside influences, no chance that they'll lose a massive amount or even a small amount of players to another competition or sport.

Great spot to be in. Imagine if in a few years and a huge drain on their finances by something like, oh, teams on the Gold Coast and Western Sydney, they find themselves in a position where every player will be required to take a 10% pay cut.

What do they players do then?

And the AFL will do exactly that if they have to.

I agree that the 3rd party rules should be relaxed, in fact I think it's bizarre than 3rd part agreements are taken into account at all if they don't involve someone who is already a club or NRL sponsor.

Where does the NRL think these potential sponsors go if they can't get SBW or Gaz etcto promote their product?