scott carter speaks........

[roughyedspud]

i like this lol

October 11, 2012 By therealsteavis Leave a Comment
By STEVE MASCORD
INTERNATIONAL Federation chairman Scott Carter last night challenged Australia to stop foreigners playing Origin, let Queensland and NSW stars represent other countries or just come clean and admit they are using cash to strengthen the green and golds.
Hours before Saturday’s trans-Tasman Test at Dairy Farmers Stadium, a milestone meeting between officials from both sides of the Tasman will attempt to sort out what has become an unbridled eligibility mess.
Carter, who is also the chairman of the NZRL, told the Sydney Morning Herald it was completely Australia’s responsibility to fix the situation – but it had to be done by the start of next season.
“We believe the current sitation is tarnishing Origin and disenfranchising genuine Australians who want to represent their state,” Carter said.
“(ARLC chairman) John Grant initially said this was a matter for the international board but it’s Australia who compell players who want to play Origin to make themselves available for Australia.
“It’s a domestic protocol in Australia. There is absolutely nothing to stop other countries selecting Origin players who qualify for them as well.
“That being the case, Australia are using Origin to strengthen their national team. We’ll have to wait and see what they come up with on Saturday. I won’t hold them to a deadline of this week but whatever happens, it needs to be sorted out by next year.
“There is definitely an expectation that Australia will move to protect Origin and stop the damage being done to the international game.”
The tough-talking Carter insisted players chosing Origin over New Zealand or another country and then being tied to Australia was “about money – and nothing else”.
“The thing is, Australia don’t need to do this,” he said. “They can field three competitive international teams without using Origin and money to attract the best players.
“I can understand why a player would want to play Origin - but why force him to play for Australia? If they want to dilute Origin, that is a matter for them. Let the players still play for another country. On the other had, it’s not state of residency, it’s State of Origin. It has history and tradition.
“We’ll see what they’ve come up with. If nothing was to change, then the ARL has to admit it is using the lure of Origin, and the financial rewards involved, to recruit players.”
Saturday’s game is a test in the other sense of the word – a test for the current confusion over eligibility. James Tamou represented the Maori but was recruited by NSW captain Paul Gallen and picked for Australia, while Kiwis prop Sam Kasiano only turned down overtures from Queensland last week.
It’s understood any changes to the rules would not be retrospective, meaning players like Kasiano and Tamou would be allowed to continue representing the country of their choice.
Carter said the RLIF in November would discuss two issues that it did have jurisdiction over – residency and junior qualification.
“Does playing under 20s for a country commit you to the senior team?” he said. “And when does your eligibility start? We have players who have been in a country two years and nine months and at the moment that’s deemed to be ‘close enough’.
“Is it when they play their first game, or when they touch down? What if they go home as soon as the season is over?”
New Zealand finalised its site yesterday and will shift camp from Cairns to Townsville today, while a slight hamstring twinge to utility Tony Williams was the only news for the Australians, who posed for a team photo in the morning, trained at Townsville Sports Reserve immediately afterwards and returned for a well-attended coaching clinic in the afternoon.
Australia lock Paul Gallen, unable to train during the NRL finals because of niggling injuries, said he hadn’t missed a session all week in Townsville.
Cronulla’s Gallen joined team-mates in backing coach Tim Sheens to be retained. “Sheensy’s done a really good job and I know he really wants to do the World Cup next year,” he said.
“if we have success on the weekend and we have success in the first part of next year, I don’t see that there’s any reason to change the coach.”
Filed for: SYDNEY MORNING HERALD

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I like the talk, let's see what happens. (probably nothing)

 

[Evil Homer]

I like the talk, let's see what happens. (probably nothing)

Pretty much exactly what I was going to post. It's good to see that Carter at least appears to understand how things should work, but nothing has been done to improve the RLIF since he took over.

 

[roughyedspud]

what he has to do next year is stand firm and only let origin players who have'nt played for australia play for other nations in the world cup...

 

[clarency]

"Scott Carter last night challenged Australia to stop foreigners playing Origin"

ie: Pretty please?

 

[East Coast Tiger]

At the end of the day a player who is eligible to play Origin can do so. If Origin players are paid more it's because Origin is massive and the players demand a return, not because the ARL wants to poach Kiwis. The ARL can also not select a player who has played for another country, because you can't be from NSW or Qld if you're not Australian. Simple as that. Considering the poaching of players by New Zealand and Ingerlund Utd like Chase and Hurrell it's just another case of hypocrisy. If the RLIF want to fix its own farcical eligibility rules it might actually lead to tighter Origin eligibilty rules, seeing as they influence each other. But the boss of the RLIF clearly has absolutely no intention of doing that because it will mean NZ and IU won't be able to poach players and he is not willing to allow that. He wants to make this all about Origin instead of dealing with the real issue, which is international eligibility.

 

[Indelible]

At the end of the day a player who is eligible to play Origin can do so. If Origin players are paid more it's because Origin is massive and the players demand a return, not because the ARL wants to poach Kiwis. The ARL can also not select a player who has played for another country, because you can't be from NSW or Qld if you're not Australian. Simple as that. Considering the poaching of players by New Zealand and Ingerlund Utd like Chase and Hurrell it's just another case of hypocrisy. If the RLIF want to fix its own farcical eligibility rules it might actually lead to tighter Origin eligibilty rules, seeing as they influence each other. But the boss of the RLIF clearly has absolutely no intention of doing that because it will mean NZ and IU won't be able to poach players and he is not willing to allow that. He wants to make this all about Origin instead of dealing with the real issue, which is international eligibility.

Totally disagree, this is all about Origin. You say that ARL don't want to poach Kiwi's, I think the evidence tells us otherwise. Tamou case in point. NSW, QLD and AUS know that a lot of the best up and coming players are Polynesian. MAL argues that they are developed in our system which is true, but I'm all for players playing for NSW, QLD and then going on to represent other countries. It's happening now - make it official.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Carter has the ability to deal with international eligibility, which could totally change Origin rules too. But he doesn't want to deal with that because it means NZ won't be able to poach players like Hurrell or ring-in the likes of Brent Webb or Nathan Fien. Until he does his job and deals with that issue he has no right to complain about what the ARL does or does not do.

 

[Evil Homer]

Origin rules will only change if the ARL change them. The RLIF has nothing to do with it.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Firstly, that's not true because if the RLIF laws meant that a player couldn't play for Australia, he then wouldn't be able to pay Origin either.

And secondly, the RLIF rules won't change unless twats like Carter do something about them. But he won't. Origin rules do not prevent any player from playing for another country. They just prevent them from playing both, which is absolutely the way it should be. RLIF laws are a joke and need fixing, yet the bloke in charge of it only whinges about the ARL.

 

[Evil Homer]

Firstly, that's not true because if the RLIF laws meant that a player couldn't play for Australia, he then wouldn't be able to pay Origin either.

Yes he would, unless the ARL said he couldn't. The rules for Origin are completely implemented by the ARL and totally unattached from international eligibility, they somewhat mirror international eligibility rules at present but that is only because the ARL choose to have it that way, theoretically the Origin rules could be whatever the ARL wanted because it's a domestic competition.

I agree with the second part of your post.

 

[paulmac]

I think the main rule that has to be changed is the residency rule.It must go to 10 years.Hell I lived in London for 2yrs but I never felt like a pom (even though my mates reckon I have an accent).This would stop the Fiens,Kasianos,Chases etc maybe not the Tamous or K.Hunts though.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Yes he would, unless the ARL said he couldn't. The rules for Origin are completely implemented by the ARL and totally unattached from international eligibility, they somewhat mirror international eligibility rules at present but that is only because the ARL choose to have it that way, theoretically the Origin rules could be whatever the ARL wanted because it's a domestic competition.

I agree with the second part of your post.

No. A player can play for a country if he is eligible. The ARL doesn't tell anyone they can't play for another country. They only enforce a rule that IF they play for another country they won't play Origin, as it should be. The people who want it another way want it to be possible for someone to be able to represent a country other than Australia, but also represent one of the states that make up the commonwealth of Australia. It's a farcical idea. If you are not Australian then you cannot be from NSW or Qld. It's that simple.

 

[mean_maori_mean]

If you are not Australian then you cannot be from NSW or Qld. It's that simple.

I really think you guys dont grasp the feelings of dual-nationality/dual-heritage
It aint black and hiwte.

Yes but cant you be australian and be say I dont know fijian.....
Like say Petero.

Born in Fiji....but equally lay claim to being a proud queenslander
He would have the genuine 'right' to play for both nations

 

[Ernest the Sheep]

this clown is chairman of RLIF? wow, little wonder the international game is a joke. Seriously, we can't find anyone better than this guy? He's a kiwi, but he could at least try to give the appearance of neutrality.

“We believe the current situation is tarnishing Origin and disenfranchising genuine Australians who want to represent their state,” Carter said.

and where have we heard this blatantly disingenuous and shameless argument from before? that's right, it's the same self-serving dribble that bell-end kemp has been spouting. So, apparently, the solution to this "problem" is to allow players to play both origin and for a country other than Oz, and Oz allowing this is to happen is not going to tarnish origin even more? I don't follow the logic.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

I really think you guys dont grasp the feelings of dual-nationality/dual-heritage
It aint black and hiwte.

Yes but cant you be australian and be say I dont know fijian.....
Like say Petero.

Born in Fiji....but equally lay claim to being a proud queenslander
He would have the genuine 'right' to play for both nations

Yes you can have the right to play for Australia or Fiji. But you can't play for both. Sorry, I should have said you cannot play for both in any sport other than RL. If a Fijian player wants to choose Fiji, he can. But he can't then play Origin or for Australia. If the RLIF want to tighten international laws to make a player stick to one country they could. But they don't.

 

[mean_maori_mean]

Yes you can have the right to play for Australia or Fiji. But you can't play for both. Sorry, I should have said you cannot play for both in any sport other than RL. If a Fijian player wants to choose Fiji, he can. But he can't then play Origin or for Australia. If the RLIF want to tighten international laws to make a player stick to one country they could. But they don't.

Agreed - but is that right.
When carter rightfully says that you could play for Queensland and play for fiji later on in the year.

Why because playing for a state rep comp doesnt effect your eligibility?
Putting some pressure on ARLC

Yes - like you and your friends have stated there are some other big issues
but clearly this is a massive issue atm and will continue to be so.
When Papalii make his debut for QLD next year.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Agreed - but is that right.
When carter rightfully says that you could play for Queensland and play for fiji later on in the year.

Why because playing for a state rep comp doesnt effect your eligibility?
Putting some pressure on ARLC

Yes - like you and your friends have stated there are some other big issues
but clearly this is a massive issue atm and will continue to be so.
When Papalii make his debut for QLD next year.

If you play for Fiji you have chosen Fiji over Australia, and therefore Qld. Just because the RLIF's ridiculous rules mean you can play for more than one country doesn't mean the ARL should allow players to play for representative teams from two different countries. If this RLIF bloke wants to fix eligibility laws he needs to get off his arse and do it. Maybe he could even get the Kiwi Origin series they've been talking about for years off the ground too. But that would also require action. This bloke would rather just talk.

 

[Indelible]

It's a farcical idea. If you are not Australian then you cannot be from NSW or Qld. It's that simple.

If only it where that simple. Every rule proposed is only going to hurt International Rugby League. I can't believe that they are talking about setting the rules from the Junior Rep squads. This is only going to hurt the Kiwi and Islander teams as so many come over to Australia from a young age. People say it's about Money and it is, however it's also wanting to play on the big stage. Which unfortunately for Rugby League at the moment is Origin.

Tamou should be playing for NZ this weekend, taking with him into camp his Origin experiences.

What other sport in the world has the highest level exclusive for anything other than having the talent to get there? I can't think of any others?

NSW vs QLD teams already hold stacks of players that are not "black and white" QLD'rs, or New Soulth Welshman.

Let just make it official and say they can play origin and for another country other than Australia.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Yes Tamou should be playing for NZ. But Fien should be playing for Australia, except he's not good enough. So what's the difference? The difference is that Carter wants to prevent Tamou playing Origin and therefore for Australia, but still wants to be able to ring-in the likes of Fien for the Kiwis. Can't have it both ways. Fix the IRL rules and it prevents a lot of problems. But allowing players to play for an Australian state but also for another country is not an option. It would be a farce. Burgess, Marshall and just about every other player will end up playing Origin and then it just ruins the whole thing. And don't think that killing Origin will mean a strong IRL, because it won't. It will just mean that RL loses possibly the only unique and successful event it has and with it a lot of money and a lot of fans.