scott carter speaks........

[mean_maori_mean]

If only it where that simple. Every rule proposed is only going to hurt International Rugby League. I can't believe that they are talking about setting the rules from the Junior Rep squads. This is only going to hurt the Kiwi and Islander teams as so many come over to Australia from a young age. People say it's about Money and it is, however it's also wanting to play on the big stage. Which unfortunately for Rugby League at the moment is Origin.

Tamou should be playing for NZ this weekend, taking with him into camp his Origin experiences.

What other sport in the world has the highest level exclusive for anything other than having the talent to get there? I can't think of any others?

NSW vs QLD teams already hold stacks of players that are not "black and white" QLD'rs, or New Soulth Welshman.

Let just make it official and say they can play origin and for another country other than Australia.

No, its not its about the money.
Dont buy into this biggest stage crap - money is a MASSIVE factor for most of those kiwi origin players.
Papalii parents wanted them to play origin because of the money talked by his manager..

Ben Teo is the exception....nobody likes him. Whilst he loves himself.
He thought he was too good for samoa and/or new zealand

 

[roughyedspud]

i see the usual suspect have completely overlooked the point....

players are'nt chosing australia over fiji,nz etc.........they are chosing NSW/QLD over fiji,nz etc


now if these players continue to play origin but are never picked for australia they have every right to be able to play for another nation......

 

[Broncos thats my team]

i see the usual suspect have completely overlooked the point....

players are'nt chosing australia over fiji,nz etc.........they are chosing NSW/QLD over fiji,nz etc


now if these players continue to play origin but are never picked for australia they have every right to be able to play for another nation......

Bingo...

 

[RedVee]

i see the usual suspect have completely overlooked the point....

players are'nt chosing australia over fiji,nz etc.........they are chosing NSW/QLD over fiji,nz etc


now if these players continue to play origin but are never picked for australia they have every right to be able to play for another nation......

And stop playing Origin.

 

[roughyedspud]

and thats why its upto australia to fix this and not the RLIF


the RLIF eligbility laws only cover NATIONS......not states!!

 

[deluded pom?]

I don't have a problem with ECT's views. What I do have a problem with is what constitutes "origin". To me my origin is English. I'm English, always lived in England and my predecessors were English. Whilst some of the selected players with, shall we say, debateable Australian roots are currently eligible through residency (regardless of how long that may be) they are not of NSW and QL origin in my eyes. Let's get back to basics and make it only genuine NSW and QL born players. SoO stopped being what it thinks it is years ago. OK this may result in some players being eligible for Australia but not for Origin but at least there would no longer be any carrot waving by the likes of Meninga and co.

 

[roughyedspud]

as i've said before.......


if a player is clearly a product of the NSW/QRL system,like uate,mateo,even jack reed, they should be allowed to play orgin......but it should have no bearing on or exclude anyone from international rugby league...


removing australia eligibilty from origin would have no effect on the australian national team what so ever......but it would improve the game in the rest of the pacific/world beyond belief...

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

removing australia eligibilty from origin would have no effect on the australian national team what so ever......but it would improve the game in the rest of the pacific/world beyond belief...

The quality of players isn't what makes Origin what it is. Its the idea behind it.

The concept is already tarnished enough by having imports in it.

Like it or not. Origin is for Australia. It is not meant for, nor should it be, used to strengthen other nations.

I agree that Australia needs to do more for the smaller nations, but by allowing their players to play Origin is not one of them.

 

[mean_maori_mean]

The quality of players isn't what makes Origin what it is. Its the idea behind it.

The concept is already tarnished enough by having imports in it.

Like it or not. Origin is for Australia. It is not meant for, nor should it be, used to strengthen other nations.

I agree that Australia needs to do more for the smaller nations, but by allowing their players to play Origin is not one of them.

Who said they need to be imports

Lets just say Slater, Barba go down and Qld want to select Josh hoffman - he aint no import. He has the right to play for qld just as much as slater and barba.

 

[roughyedspud]

exactly....how can someone be a "import" if they've been trained in NSW/QLD since they where 14,15,16??

 

[roughyedspud]

just looking over the last origin squads......


NSW

hayne - has already played for australia so should'nt be allowed to switch back to fiji anyway
jennings - already played for australia so should be allowed to switch back to tonga anyway
uate - would play for NSW & fiji if he was allowed too
farah - fringe test player so doubt he'd opt for lebabnon anyway
tamou - has already played for australia so should'nt be allowed to switch to nz

QLD

cherry-evans -eligible for england but he's likely to be cronks number 2 so unlikely he'll wanna opt for england anyway..

ben teo - he'll play for anyone that pays him....



look opening up origin will not rip the heart out of origin...it'll have no effect on the kangaroos....but it'll open up international RL to the tons of players who can only ever hope to gain origin honours on a off chance that someone gets injured......players like peter wallace,he would do scotland the world of good,as would mateo for tonga etc...

 

[hutch]

Who said they need to be imports

Lets just say Slater, Barba go down and Qld want to select Josh hoffman - he aint no import. He has the right to play for qld just as much as slater and barba.

But Hoffman has chosen to play for another country, there is no way he should be allowed to play for Qld, an Australian state in an Australian rep game. It doesn't matter where he is born or raised or developed, you can't have have your cake and eat it too. So no, he doesn't have that right!

 

[Evil Homer]

look opening up origin will not rip the heart out of origin...it'll have no effect on the kangaroos....but it'll open up international RL to the tons of players who can only ever hope to gain origin honours on a off chance that someone gets injured......players like peter wallace,he would do scotland the world of good,as would mateo for tonga etc...

I'm pretty sure those players could play for those nations in the World Cup anyway and the ARL wouldn't care, just as they didn't care when Hayne, Williams, Uate and Jennings played for other nations in 2008.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

But Hoffman has chosen to play for another country, there is no way he should be allowed to play for Qld, an Australian state in an Australian rep game. It doesn't matter where he is born or raised or developed, you can't have have your cake and eat it too. So no, he doesn't have that right!

Exactly.

Origin is a rep game. It's not an exhibition between the best juniors developed by the NSWRL and the QRL.

It's already been tainted enough.

It was initially created to determine the Australian squad and it should not change.

 

[Knownothing]

Exactly.

Origin is a rep game. It's not an exhibition between the best juniors developed by the NSWRL and the QRL.

It's already been tainted enough.

It was initially created to determine the Australian squad and it should not change.

Origin was based on the notion that Queenslanders should represent Queensland, even if they were playing in the NSWRL. Most of the nation's best players gravitated to the most lucrative competition, which was based in Sydney, and were then picked for New South Wales. So very few Queenslanders were picked for Australia, they all magically became NSW players when they moved to Sydney for the big money.

 

[Indelible]

It was initially created to determine the Australian squad and it should not change.

It's already changed and that was years ago. I just hope there's no black and white rule bought in because life isn't like that. Origin needs to evolve as the game does itself.

 

[The Great Dane]

Allowing players born out side of NSW and Queensland is killing soo. People from over seas don't seem to understand that most Australians are not (should not be) eligible for the NSW or Queensland teams. I am from Canberra in the A.C.T and under the currant rules I could play for NSW, but I think that the rules should be tightened so even I am ineligible meaning unless a soo team is made for your state/territory you are ineligible so people form Vic, SA, NT, WA, Tas and the ACT can not play soo. Now the idea of letting players play soo and for another country is just geniused. As I stated before most people from Australia hate letting players from out side NSW/QLD play for them so publicly announcing you can play soo and for another country would kill soo would be better to scrap soo and make it an all stars game.

I can not believe it but I agree with east coast tiger.

 

[RedVee]

But Hoffman has chosen to play for another country, there is no way he should be allowed to play for Qld, an Australian state in an Australian rep game. It doesn't matter where he is born or raised or developed, you can't have have your cake and eat it too. So no, he doesn't have that right!

I agree.

 

[Knownothing]

Is there any other sport, anywhere, in which the most important games are between provinces? To go a step further, is there any other sport which would turn itself into knots trying to work out which province a player is eligible for?

The only reason that this contest retains its mojo is because Queenslanders are still so bloody insecure. When they finally grow up, in a decade or so, fans will wonder what all this fuss was about. Hopefully, by then, there will be an interstate series that enthuses kids born in other states, to play for their own provinces.

As for New Zealanders, shouldn't they be motivated to play for their country, above all else?

 

[deluded pom?]

Is there any other sport, anywhere, in which the most important games are between provinces?

It's only important to Australians and wannabe Australians though. The whole sport of RL doesn't hang on SoO. There may be an interest in it outside of Australia but don't fall into the trap of believing the rest of the RL world stops for SoO.