Sharkies in 2004 and where are we headed...

[Aries]

I, also, am sick of the ppl around here that just trash players that are representing the Sharkies. Sure the odd comment here and there is always deserved, but some of the stuff I read just makes me puke worse than the CHIEF and Fatty, on the Vomatron, last night...

The shit that Rapes cops at times is also ridiculous and from the pro CA brigaded...

A couple of facts for you all...

CA is washed up. His ideas are old and out of date and don't work anymore. No matter how hard he tried to beat us into his "fantasy" it was never going to happen and he just couldn't let go. That is as nice as I can be about CA or what I think of him would "overload" the post limit, so I'll leave it at that...

CA appointed Rapes as his assistant. CA approached SR!! Is that clear!!?
For all intents and purposes, CA was to be the coach when SR started training as the ASSISTANT COACH late in 2003 while CA was trying to get a job in England, oops, I mean coached the Kangaroo's...

SR has never had a say in any of the players that we have, CA or the club picked them all. He is yet to get the topside on the park anyway and our injuries and suspensions are as bad as I can remember...

On the good side… We only conceded 4 penalties last week. NOW, that is a start in the right direction. Beatroothead conks himself in the first 15 secs and Stevo is on the Bench and there goes our push forward last week.

They still played like shit, with way to much lost ball, but it could have been even worse with the 38% of possession we ended up with. As much as it sickened me to watch the games of the last few weeks, I only have to look back at last year to realise we are already infront of what CA produced with the SAME personnel. HIS PERSONNEL. It took CA 8 games to get a win last year, we already have one...

I think that in their attempt to NOT get penalised last week, they erred on the side of caution and played without oomf!! They are already missing fewer tackles than last year and it is obvious that SR is starting to fix this mess that CA has left us...

For the dummies who cant remember the shit that CA had this club in, here are a few highlights..

*Permanently in the papers for all the WRONG reasons
*The most ill-disciplined team I have ever seen (the Parra game was just the final straw)
*Spoiled his "pets" and trashed the rest
*Could have lost us millions in sponsorship
*Tore the Club, the Board and the Supporters in half on what to do with him
*Is still holding a loaded gun at our heads because he can’t accept his son was not re-signed.
*Had his son on the team, for however many weeks he played, too long
*Was a verbal disaster area to the Press.
*And I honestly think he was out of ideas and is finished as an NRL coach

So, no matter what happens for the rest of the year, lets just back the Sharks, forget the coaching BS, and look forward to SR slowly improving the Problems he inherited and give him a chance to recruit and to improve it next year!

 

[The Popper]

Anderson's long gone now, Aries. We can't blame him forever.
We've still got 5 Internationals and a State of Origin player in our side. Add to that a number of junior Australian representatives and we've got a pretty healthy look on paper. It's just not translating onto the field.

 

[NthCronullaLocal]

Well said Aries.

Raper inherited this mess and although the wins have not been coming there is starting to be noticeable improvement (ie. discipline although it took a while). Hopefully this improvement will continue with regards to dropped ball, competing around the ruck better etc meaning we at least give ourselves the best possible chance to win games

He hasnt had a chance to put his strongest side on the paddock yet (hopefully it is a week or two away) so combinations can form, leading to the gaining of confidence. When looking at sides on paper our top side is pretty damn impressive compared to other clubs at is top 8 material.

It will be interesting to see who we go for in regards to player recruitment as it could be said this is where Raper thinks where we are at our weakest. This will also give us more of a basis to judge him as a coach.

We should back firstly the sharks and then Raper at the moment and reserve our judgements till at least the end of the year.

 

[Booyah]

You don't win the grand final in April.

There is still plenty of time for us to get our act together and make a charge for the finish line.

I sure as hell haven't stopped hoping anyway.

 

[imasharkie]

Aries I used to think you were ok..........now I think you are a dribbler :lol:
How many times have we heard the same old samo

 

[Aries]

Aries I used to think you were ok..........now I think you are a dribbler :lol:
How many times have we heard the same old samo

As many times as it takes for it to sink into a few "no brainers" around here :lol: :lol:

 

[Macca]

I can't accept this thread Aries.

You have contradicted yourself and it is hypocritical. How can you have a go at people who critisise the coach after all the critisism you lay on our previous coach?

I liked Opes and I like Raper. I think the club is going to be better off eventually without Ando but the sqaud he put together should be doing better than it is.

Sure our top side hasn't been out there yet but you can't tell me those last 2 performances were acceptable under any coach.

I reckon we are going to come good soon.

 

[Mr Angry]

12th must be improved upon regardless.
I still expect a semi.
How Mr Raper blends the good youth with the undoubted skillful experience is the key.
I am yet to lose faith, but f**k I am getting concerned.

 

[chili pepper]

Concerned is an understatement Angry - I'm f**king shitting myself after the last few results.

 

[markstan]

Fine Raper does need some time but the players aren't performing for him, I dont think you could say our side is top 8 material based on every club going around however we have to get lucky ocasionally if were to make the eight. It is still earlyish in the season but we have to start winning and not in a few weeks now. We have a shit hard draw till our first bye rd16, there's only 2 that we should win, 1 that will be tough, and 4 that if we lift we could pull up an upset. Unless there is a major turnaround soon we wont beat St scum. Not sure if i quite agree with everything aires had to say but some yes, CA washed up? hardly, or was that a spelling error, sure you didn't hit the W instead of the C. I dont think Ando is wahshed up.

However despite all the gloom and doom going around the place an extraordinary amount of 4 other teams have still yet to get of 1 win. Admitedley we have a shit percentage so we need a game ahead but perhaps it's not so bad, pritty frieghtening statistics though after 5 rounds 1/3 of the teams haven't posted more than 1 win. The gap i feel will start to widen by about rd8-9 probably got to be around 6 pts considering our start. We got to win lots of games through the middle of the year which seems very hard. Nice mini run home although byes can prove unsettling.

We must start winning and get winning runs going we stuffed up big time we had a huge chance this year to really fly out the blocks. With quite an easy early draw, bar dogs but we did play well gainst them, we should have probably been up with the Panthers. Hopefully teams around the 8 dont beat top teams we have too rely on say top 6 teams not loosing to teams below them and teams around the 8 loosing to Souths Cows and the like for us to have a chance.

The board said that they were looking for a big year since kicking Anderson off either they got to re-think that soon or technically they have too fire him. I think they said aiming for the top 4 didn't they? Any other company that made that prediction would be just about killed even at an early stage. Although i cant see him getting the boot for the sheer fact there aint no one else around, sure there are people who have coached before that aren't currently but most have been given bad names records, Gould aint coming his life would be in danger, plus the roosters thing, even the coaches that have retired less than 10 years ago seem to all have retired permanantley. So unless we get an unproven coach Daley or someone we must stay with Raper.

 

[Aries]

I can't accept this thread Aries.

You have contradicted yourself and it is hypocritical. How can you have a go at people who critisise the coach after all the critisism you lay on our previous coach?

I liked Opes and I like Raper. I think the club is going to be better off eventually without Ando but the sqaud he put together should be doing better than it is.

Sure our top side hasn't been out there yet but you can't tell me those last 2 performances were acceptable under any coach.

I reckon we are going to come good soon.

I, unlike you in this thread, didn't contradict myself...

I payed out on CA most of last year, and the year before, because I was right about him!!

I am also right in what I have written here... ie: Rapes has inherited CA's problems and needs a chance to do it HIS way.

Your contradiction is obvious, you half heartedly defend CA, yet then go on to say we are going to be better off without him?!! You then agree with some of what I said about our "top team" on the paddock this year. Realise that this is still the same team that finished 12th last year. It has hardly changed. To have players on the books and for them to actually play is 2 separate matters. The team running around NOW is the dregs of CA's clean out. One he thought we had to have, to be replaced with stalwarts like Jarrod Anderson etc etc...

One camp or the other McS. Either CA sucked or he deserved his crack at having us for 3 more years... I shudder at what would be left of this club if he had control until the end of 2006.

You see McS, this is the exact sort of thing I have started this thread for and against.

SR is now the coach, so all those that said "get behind the coach" last year, should now heed their own advise also

 

[blacktip-reefy]

To the thread topic......... what??????

To the third reply.........what?????

To Mcsharks reply..........what???????


To stans reply..................What??????????? what????????

 

[Macca]

I can't see Raper getting the boot. Give him a chance FFS. He needs 2-3 years before we can think about booting him.

 

[chili pepper]

Raper still has some work to do to rid the club of CA's culture of poor discipline, inflated ego's, stubborness and lack of basic skills.

At least Anderson didn't hang around long enough to instill other traits from his beloved Doggies that have come to surface recently.

Then we would really be a club in crisis!

 

[SirShire]

Who honestly gives a shite?

Ando = Gone
Raper = In

If you dont like it, or just cant stop bitching about - support another f**ken club. Ando is gone so stop flogging the dead horse.

 

[Aries]

Fine Raper does need some time but the players aren't performing for him, I dont think you could say our side is top 8 material based on every club going around however we have to get lucky ocasionally if were to make the eight. It is still earlyish in the season but we have to start winning and not in a few weeks now. We have a sh*t hard draw till our first bye rd16, there's only 2 that we should win, 1 that will be tough, and 4 that if we lift we could pull up an upset. Unless there is a major turnaround soon we wont beat St scum. Not sure if i quite agree with everything aires had to say but some yes, CA washed up? hardly, or was that a spelling error, sure you didn't hit the W instead of the C. I dont think Ando is wahshed up.

However despite all the gloom and doom going around the place an extraordinary amount of 4 other teams have still yet to get of 1 win. Admitedley we have a sh*t percentage so we need a game ahead but perhaps it's not so bad, pritty frieghtening statistics though after 5 rounds 1/3 of the teams haven't posted more than 1 win. The gap i feel will start to widen by about rd8-9 probably got to be around 6 pts considering our start. We got to win lots of games through the middle of the year which seems very hard. Nice mini run home although byes can prove unsettling.

We must start winning and get winning runs going we stuffed up big time we had a huge chance this year to really fly out the blocks. With quite an easy early draw, bar dogs but we did play well gainst them, we should have probably been up with the Panthers. Hopefully teams around the 8 dont beat top teams we have too rely on say top 6 teams not loosing to teams below them and teams around the 8 loosing to Souths Cows and the like for us to have a chance.

The board said that they were looking for a big year since kicking Anderson off either they got to re-think that soon or technically they have too fire him. I think they said aiming for the top 4 didn't they? Any other company that made that prediction would be just about killed even at an early stage. Although i cant see him getting the boot for the sheer fact there aint no one else around, sure there are people who have coached before that aren't currently but most have been given bad names records, Gould aint coming his life would be in danger, plus the roosters thing, even the coaches that have retired less than 10 years ago seem to all have retired permanantley. So unless we get an unproven coach Daley or someone we must stay with Raper.

The board promised nothing mate...
The team we have is what CA left us with. It's his dregs. That is going to take time to change, like next year when Rapes can recruit.

Anything above 12th is an improvement. I thought we might make the 8 before the season started, based on the team we have on paper... it's still on paper and yet to be seen. So, Like I keep saying, we are running around with CA's dregs still until those players all play together regularly!! if they do soon, I still think we will make the 8. I also sense a whiff of certain "spoilt bratts" not being happy about the coach change...

 

[Macca]

I can't accept this thread Aries.

You have contradicted yourself and it is hypocritical. How can you have a go at people who critisise the coach after all the critisism you lay on our previous coach?

I liked Opes and I like Raper. I think the club is going to be better off eventually without Ando but the sqaud he put together should be doing better than it is.

Sure our top side hasn't been out there yet but you can't tell me those last 2 performances were acceptable under any coach.

I reckon we are going to come good soon.

I, unlike you in this thread, didn't contradict myself...

I payed out on CA most of last year, and the year before, because I was right about him!!

I am also right in what I have written here... ie: Rapes has inherited CA's problems and needs a chance to do it HIS way.

Your contradiction is obvious, you half heartedly defend CA, yet then go on to say we are going to be better off without him?!! You then agree with some of what I said about our "top team" on the paddock this year. Realise that this is still the same team that finished 12th last year. It has hardly changed. To have players on the books and for them to actually play is 2 separate matters. The team running around NOW is the dregs of CA's clean out. One he thought we had to have, to be replaced with stalwarts like Jarrod Anderson etc etc...

One camp or the other McS. Either CA sucked or he deserved his crack at having us for 3 more years... I shudder at what would be left of this club if he had control until the end of 2006.

You see McS, this is the exact sort of thing I have started this thread for and against.

SR is now the coach, so all those that said "get behind the coach" last year, should now heed their own advise also

I AM behind the coach!

I was behind the last coach!

I'll be behind the next one.

I didn't contradict myself. I said that I think we will eventually be better off without Ando. You can't say you are right. It's just your opinion. Ando could have won the comp this year.

You come out and say, don't bag the coach. You were the biggest coach bagger on this forum last year.

I don't wanna argue anymore. I had enough of that with SS.

 

[markstan]

To the thread topic......... what??????

To the third reply.........what?????

To Mcsharks reply..........what???????


To stans reply..................What??????????? what????????

Sorry stress + s*** day so i can get insane a bit. take 2


Were headed for about 11th spot for 2004, hopefully better, as for beyond who knows if we dont reach the 8 we should maybe headed for the checkbook i'd think.

 

[Aries]

I can't accept this thread Aries.

You have contradicted yourself and it is hypocritical. How can you have a go at people who critisise the coach after all the critisism you lay on our previous coach?

I liked Opes and I like Raper. I think the club is going to be better off eventually without Ando but the sqaud he put together should be doing better than it is.

Sure our top side hasn't been out there yet but you can't tell me those last 2 performances were acceptable under any coach.

I reckon we are going to come good soon.

I, unlike you in this thread, didn't contradict myself...

I payed out on CA most of last year, and the year before, because I was right about him!!

I am also right in what I have written here... ie: Rapes has inherited CA's problems and needs a chance to do it HIS way.

Your contradiction is obvious, you half heartedly defend CA, yet then go on to say we are going to be better off without him?!! You then agree with some of what I said about our "top team" on the paddock this year. Realise that this is still the same team that finished 12th last year. It has hardly changed. To have players on the books and for them to actually play is 2 separate matters. The team running around NOW is the dregs of CA's clean out. One he thought we had to have, to be replaced with stalwarts like Jarrod Anderson etc etc...

One camp or the other McS. Either CA sucked or he deserved his crack at having us for 3 more years... I shudder at what would be left of this club if he had control until the end of 2006.

You see McS, this is the exact sort of thing I have started this thread for and against.

SR is now the coach, so all those that said "get behind the coach" last year, should now heed their own advise also

I AM behind the coach!

I was behind the last coach!

I'll be behind the next one.

I didn't contradict myself. I said that I think we will eventually be better off without Ando. You can't say you are right. It's just your opinion. Ando could have won the comp this year.

You come out and say, don't bag the coach. You were the biggest coach bagger on this forum last year.

I don't wanna argue anymore. I had enough of that with SS.

McS, can I suggest you take a couple of deep breaths... In... out... in... out... in... out...

now, go read what I wrote again without any bias... then read what you wrote again in your threads...

If you can honestly say you didn't contradict yourself, especially in the 2nd post :shock: :shock: , then, well, umm, errr................................

 

[blacktip-reefy]

I think the third post referenced the second post.

But the second post was edited to reference a later post.
Now that could not have been possible at the time, because the later post had not been written.
If you don't believe me reread all the posts.


WHAT??????