Sharks fume as MP deserts project

[DJShaksta]

Don't fall for the emotional blackmail being peddled by the Club. It is not the end of civilisation if the Sharks fold. Many other fine clubs have gone already and a second Brisbane team is long overdue.

What a narrow minded thing to say, if the Sharks fold it is the end for our club, may not worry you but there are alot of people it would matter to.

How the fugg is the chairman supporting his club emotional blackmail???

Dopey fugg.

 

[KiamaSaint]

What a narrow minded thing to say, if the Sharks fold it is the end for our club, may not worry you but there are alot of people it would matter to.

How the fugg is the chairman supporting his club emotional blackmail???

Dopey fugg.

Rail, hail or shine, Saturday night or not those people need to get to the games next year, its as simple as that.

But yes, it will be a sad day.

 

[DJShaksta]

I hear ya Kiamsaint, but the NRL could help out by not scheduling the local Darby on a Monday f**king night next year too lol

Up the Sharks

 

[carcharias]

Mark Speakman is correct and I am pleased he has spoken out against this proposal.

It is a massive overdevelopment of the site which is completely out of character with neighbouring suburbs.

It has the potential to impact terribly on local businesses in Cronulla, North Woolooware, Caringbah and Miranda.

The developer's view that the Government can pay for the upgrades to roads and other infrastructure once it is built reeks of arrogance.

Don't fall for the emotional blackmail being peddled by the Club. It is not the end of civilisation if the Sharks fold. Many other fine clubs have gone already and a second Brisbane team is long overdue.

It will have the opposite effect....more people in the area will increase business takings ALL ROUND.

These new residents will obviously shop at the mall and miranda fair.

All those business's along the road leading up to Shark Park will beneift from the development.



R2Coupe is a Dragons fan from memory.

 

[R2Coupe]

What a narrow minded thing to say, if the Sharks fold it is the end for our club, may not worry you but there are alot of people it would matter to.

How the fugg is the chairman supporting his club emotional blackmail???

Dopey fugg.

It is an extremely narrow minded view to suggest this massive over-development deserves serious consideration.

The very real characteristics which make this area highly desirable to live in are under threat simply because a club needs to make a buck.

Pucker up sweetheart, the resistance is very real.

 

[clarency]

It will have the opposite effect....more people in the area will increase business takings ALL ROUND.

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No it won't... the people will shop in the centre-based stores while the local surrounding shops that have been there for years beforehand will slowly lose their business. This happens everywhere you see a Westfields, Stocklands, or any major shopping centre.

I don't know much about the development personally but I'm going to go ahead and assume that the majority of supporters are just doing so because they don't want the sharks to die, which is a real shame. If it truly is a bad development it's not worth doing.

I expect the sharks to fall over regardless of whether this goes ahead or not. What I would like to know is how the support for this would turn out if everyone knew for certain that the NRL would not be continuing the Shark's license.

 

[carcharias]

Name the local shops that will suffer

 

[roboshark]

No it won't... the people will shop in the centre-based stores while the local surrounding shops that have been there for years beforehand will slowly lose their business. This happens everywhere you see a Westfields, Stocklands, or any major shopping centre.

I don't know much about the development personally but I'm going to go ahead and assume that the majority of supporters are just doing so because they don't want the sharks to die, which is a real shame. If it truly is a bad development it's not worth doing.

I expect the sharks to fall over regardless of whether this goes ahead or not. What I would like to know is how the support for this would turn out if everyone knew for certain that the NRL would not be continuing the Shark's license.

that says it all...you dope. Stick to what you know, which im guessing is not much

 

[DJShaksta]

It is an extremely narrow minded view to suggest this massive over-development deserves serious consideration.

The very real characteristics which make this area highly desirable to live in are under threat simply because a club needs to make a buck.

Pucker up sweetheart, the resistance is very real.

Please explain what very real characteristics will be ruined.

Resistance is futile.

 

[Perth Red]

It did seem the area was a quiet suburban area with teh Sharks sat on the edge when i visited. I can see why the locals wouldn;t want such a big development on the foreshore there but given how built up Sydney is I doubt it will get knocked back. Did they sort out the flood plain issue?

 

[Eion]

Did they sort out the flood plain issue?

God sorted that out because it's on a tidal bay. There is no f**king flood plain.

 

[R2Coupe]

Here are just a few

1. Visual Amenity - the skyline of 6 towers ranging from 13 to 16 storeys looking north toward Woolooware Bay.
2. Amenity of the area - 700 units with associated cars on already congested roads - Captain Cook Drive, Gannons Road, Denman Ave, Taren Point Road, the Kingsway and all intersections in between.
3. Pollution to the adjacent aquatic reserve and NSW Fisheries protected area.
4. Impact on retail in existing centres - Cronulla, North Woolooware, Caringbah and Miranda.
5. The loss of playing fields combined with the additional demand upon remaining playing field of the residents of the proposed development.
6. Impact upon commuter parking at Woolooware and Caringbah train stations from residents having to drive to those locations.
7. The isolated position 1 km up hill to Woolooware Station making residentis reliant upon motor vehicles.
8. Additional impervious surfaces from the development impacting run-off.

All these and other issues impacting on residents. I am not anti development and there has been plenty of development in the area. It is the scale of the development which is the issue, but the developer will of course say it is not economically viable to reduce its size.

 

[carcharias]

You have not even seen the plans or read anything about it
have you?

 

[Jubileeboy]

i'd lol if you had a average I.Q.

something's got explain your geniused drivel.

Fail :lol:

 

[roofromoz]

"This is not significant in terms of it going ahead, but it's an extreme breach of the process. We all agreed to let residents have their say. For a local member to come out and make a statement like this is totally against the spirit of the agreement we made for every part of the development to be made transparent to the community.”

That's nice of Irvine to say that, but the Department of Planning would have arranged for a consultation process anyway, getting Sutherland Shire Council to do it on their behalf.

I don't know that much about the development, but as a town planner, I know what matters need to be considered and assessed. For this type of development, there would have had to be an economic impact statement prepared and lodged with the application, identifying a catchment area in terms of residents and also any impacts on other commerical precincts in that part of the shire. Of course, the consultant engaged in this study (assuming one was done!) would have a recommendation that the development should be supported, and it would be up to Department of Planning staff to critically analyse this study, and not necessarily take it at face value.

 

[Ausguy]

It is an extremely narrow minded view to suggest this massive over-development deserves serious consideration.

The very real characteristics which make this area highly desirable to live in are under threat simply because a club needs to make a buck.

Pucker up sweetheart, the resistance is very real.

I will try again 3 months after i last tried.... did you attend any of the information evenings afforded tot he local residents who DID NOT SHOW UP but now oppose the development?

 

[Ausguy]

That's nice of Irvine to say that, but the Department of Planning would have arranged for a consultation process anyway, getting Sutherland Shire Council to do it on their behalf.

I don't know that much about the development, but as a town planner, I know what matters need to be considered and assessed. For this type of development, there would have had to be an economic impact statement prepared and lodged with the application, identifying a catchment area in terms of residents and also any impacts on other commerical precincts in that part of the shire. Of course, the consultant engaged in this study (assuming one was done!) would have a recommendation that the development should be supported, and it would be up to Department of Planning staff to critically analyse this study, and not necessarily take it at face value.

Mate i was blown away at the amount of work that was put into creating this proposal, as someone who has some experience and prior knowledge of the process i urge you to seek this info out and tell us your thoughts.

 

[jc155776]

I don't know much about the development personally

So you have no idea.

So don;t comment.

 

[Ausguy]

Here are just a few

1. Visual Amenity - the skyline of 6 towers ranging from 13 to 16 storeys looking north toward Woolooware Bay. No reason to stop the development, its called progress. Does that mean nothing above 2 stories cant be built anywhere to avoid someone losing their view?
2. Amenity of the area - 700 units with associated cars on already congested roads - Captain Cook Drive, Gannons Road, Denman Ave, Taren Point Road, the Kingsway and all intersections in between. Traffic has been considered during the proposal, if you bothered to show up at the info nights you could have asked about it.
3. Pollution to the adjacent aquatic reserve and NSW Fisheries protected area. Be specific, what polution is this development going to cause?
4. Impact on retail in existing centres - Cronulla, North Woolooware, Caringbah and Miranda. You mean competition? Welcome to the 21st century. God id kill to avoid caringbah shops or Miranda fair. Bring on a local Woolies or Coles
5. The loss of playing fields combined with the additional demand upon remaining playing field of the residents of the proposed development. Havent read the documentation that the sharks are replacing these fields, which mind you the club doesnt have to do as we own the land, but it is nice of them dont you think?
6. Impact upon commuter parking at Woolooware and Caringbah train stations from residents having to drive to those locations. But i thought all the people from the units are driving towards gannons rd and taren point causing chaos?
7. The isolated position 1 km up hill to Woolooware Station making residentis reliant upon motor vehicles. Have you checked the gradiant of the walk to the station, i think you will find it is minimal, it really isnt that hard to walk from the club to the station, clutching at straws IMO.
8. Additional impervious surfaces from the development impacting run-off. Are you reffering to rainwater run off?? Whether there is buildings there or not the rain still has to go somewhere, not to mention the developers have got the run off sorted, they are the experts, you could have asked them yourself if you bothered to come to the info nights x3.

All these and other issues impacting on residents. I am not anti development and there has been plenty of development in the area. It is the scale of the development which is the issue, but the developer will of course say it is not economically viable to reduce its size.

Yes you are. You have not mentioned 1 benefit this development will have... do you believe there are any?

 

[cleary89]

Whats the biggest buildings in that area, surely the leagues club, which is what 5 stories? I know 2 k's down the road at caringbah they have some 8 stories and cronulla would have some similar to this, but for the area is all houses with your back yard and stuff. surely you can agree it's gonna look out of place?