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C.P

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Yes, wouldnt put much stock in actual photos of that fine upstanding citizen and her 'buddies' when we can believe their continuing propaganda. Hotmans now come up with a brilliant plan. Pretend we have the person who did it but they wont 'confess' until they are guaranteed of getting off scot free. Shouldnt be to hard paying someone to say that when they know theres no repercussions. And lets not forget the 'policeman' who will testify that crime happens at airports :rolleyes: now theres a compelling 'witness'.
Meanwhile the Telecrap continues its Our Schapelle theme.




Corby has two weeks to get witnesses

July 20, 2005
CONVICTED drug smuggler Schapelle Corby's legal team has been given another two weeks and a final chance to find new evidence to back her claim of innocence.

The chief judge presiding over Corby's reopened trial in the Denpasar District Court, Linton Sirait, gave the defence team until August 3 to bring witnesses from Australia.
"This is the last chance," Judge Sirait told Corby's celebrity counsel, Hotman Paris Hutapea. "We conclude that this will be the last chance for the lawyers to bring witnesses."

The three-member defence team had initially planned to produce as many as 11 witnesses to support Corby's claim she did not know about 4.1kg of marijuana found in her unlocked baggage at Bali Airport last year.

One of the people whom Mr Hutapea hopes to bring now includes a mystery witness – someone who allegedly is willing to admit that he put the drugs in Corby's bag in Australia.

But this person would only testify if the Australian Government granted immunity from prosecution, Mr Hutapea said.

Earlier today, Corby's drugs trial reopened with an Indonesian law professor raising doubts about the case against her.

Indriyanto Seno Adji of Jakarta's University of Indonesia said police and custom officers should have found out how the marijuana got inside Corby's luggage.

"According to our law, you need witnesses who can prove who put the marijuana in the bag," he told the court.

Corby, 28, has consistently denied owning the drugs.

She claims she was the unwitting courier for a drug gang operating in airports in Australia.

Corby was caught in a media crush as she arrived at the Denpasar District Court today.

Her sister Mercedes lashed out at local and international television crews who almost pulled her sister to the ground in the melee.

But Mercedes Corby denied hitting anyone.

Mr Hutapea warned the family yesterday to restrain their emotions at today's hearing
 

millersnose

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if the defence know someone "planted" the drugs

wouldnt they being doing schappele a service and actually alerting uthorities so they can investigate?
 

borat

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The Hotman is at it again, give yourself a wrap son. Some of the quotes that come from this guy are absolute gold.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15997268-2,00.html

"What I am saying is that no matter how stupid somebody else, nobody will send the marijuana like that in the open transparent plastic," he said.

"It is very unlikely no matter how stupid because the criminal must also be worried about his [her] life."

When it was suggested that some criminals are stupid, the Jakarta-based lawyer replied: "I believe Corby is not stupid, you can see that because she can debate well ... I talked to Corby, I think she is one level below mine, a little bit but she is still smart."
 

ibeme

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millersnose said:
a small resealable bag
a large pot pipe
some extra king size tally ho's

My eyesight must be getting bad, because all I can make out is a plastic bag, an ashtray with a cigarette in it, and beer bottles.
 

ibeme

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millersnose said:
there is a huge market for hydro pot in bali

So it's been revealed that it was hydro pot?

As far as I can recall, it was never tested. I seem to remember the defence being told they could access the dope only to have access denied. I don't think they were ever allowed access to the dope.
 

millersnose

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ibeme said:
My eyesight must be getting bad, because all I can make out is a plastic bag, an ashtray with a cigarette in it, and beer bottles.

you need to get your eyes checked
 

millersnose

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ibeme said:
So it's been revealed that it was hydro pot?

As far as I can recall, it was never tested. I seem to remember the defence being told they could access the dope only to have access denied. I don't think they were ever allowed access to the dope.

visually i would be sure its hydro

i am not aware of complaints by the defence that they were not allowed to test the evidence

i think the fact they didnt bother makes it likely that it is hydro produced in australia and running tests to confirm this would not be in their interests
 

carcharias

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millersnose said:
you need to get your eyes checked

Hey Millers book yourself in too old mate.

Remembering your "large pot pipe" is actually a set of door keys.:D

That is unless of course the old Daily Tele has tweaked the photo to hide the truth.:D :lol:
 

millersnose

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i concede the keys

i dont concede the deal bags or the giant tallies or the led zeppelin in the ashtray

what about you carc?

still in denial?

"no..our schappelle would never do that...thats a...a.....a....cigarette!!"
 

carcharias

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millersnose said:
i concede the keys

i dont concede the deal bags or the giant tallies or the led zeppelin in the ashtray

what about you carc?

still in denial?

"no..our schappelle would never do that...thats a...a.....a....cigarette!!"

I'm just calling them as I see em.

I agree with the papers and reefer in the ash tray.
That looks bad for everyone in that room, not just her.
I couldn't see a pipe.
This is in no way a link to her case though.
Every place I've ever stayed in on holidays with my mates looks exactly like that photo
...& I'm no smuggler ( apart from the odd budgie that is)

I agree she had the drugs in her bag.
I think the Indo cops completely butchered the bust.
I think she has no hope with that lawyer.
I also have a deep distrust for all authority, corrupt beyond belief in a lot of countries incuding ours.

I still say both sides are lying to some extent.
How much and about what I'm not sure.

I find it more likely if she was involved that it was a smuggling job to Sydney gone bad.
I have trouble believing anyone would be that naive to try to smuggle that amount to a country with a death penalty.
Especially in such a blase' way.

Hey for all I know she is as guilty as sin, and her family is in it up to their necks.
Maybe they had this exuse and scenario already worked out in case of this exact situation.
Maybe her old man said dont touch the bag just in case you get caught ,
that way they will have no fingerprints to link you to it.
And that's why they asked for the bag to be fingerprinted right from the start.

Then again she could of just been going to Bali for a Holiday and her bag was used in a botched smuggling job to Sydney by baggage handlers.
It has happened before.

Put her on a polygraph, case solved then in my eyes...Maury Povich does it every week with great results.
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No, I dont know tooey.
Whats the band called?

We are playing down there on the 30th of July.
There is meant to be a whole bunch of drunk chicks going after some sort of shindig.
Or so I was told
It will probably be a bunch of blokes drinking rum and punching on.
 

ibeme

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At Sydney, their bags were taken to the international airport, to join Australian Airlines flight AO7829 to Bali.

The bags were scanned with hand-held monitors and cleared for loading. The three suitcases went through the security X-ray. The bodyboard was too big for the conveyor. It was put on a trolley and put into a baggage canister that contained two of the other bags. It was one of the last items put into the canister, placing it near the front. It would be one of the first items taken out in Bali.

The canister was closed by a canvas flap, but not locked. It was held for about 97 minutes until about 9.45am, half an hour before the Bali flight's departure.

All the baggage transfers were monitored by CCTV. There are no other security measures in these areas - big, open areas to which anyone with an "airside" security pass has access.

There are no inspections of bags or vehicles to check what staff with Aviation Security Identification Cards carry in and out of the airport.

The Australian Federal Police say drug dealers are known to use innocent travellers as unsuspecting drug "mules". They have arrested baggage handlers at Sydney International Airport for the offence. Drugs are inserted in luggage at one airport, a photograph of the target bag and its tag are emailed to the destination airport, where baggage handlers remove the drugs before the passenger collects the bag.

Ngurah Rai Airport, Denpasar, the holiday begins

The flight landed in Bali around 2.30pm local time. Spirits were high. Now to collect their bags and take a taxi to their hotel. Mercedes would be waiting.

Their bags were X-rayed before moving to the baggage carousel. By the time the four got there, the bags were on the carousel. But not the bodyboard. It had been set apart on the floor.

Schapelle Corby was struggling with her bag, so Ally told James to help her with the bodyboard. They took it to the customs counter of Igusti Ngurah Nyoman Winata.

Accounts conflict of what happened next. Corby says she saw that people ahead were opening their bags. So she put the bodyboard on the counter and began to open it.

The bag was found to contain the bodyboard, flippers and 4.1 kilograms of top-quality hydroponic marijuana in two plastic bags, one inside the other, the size of a pillow case. The bags were placed in front of the bodyboard, next to the zip.

The customs officers got very excited. It was their biggest marijuana intercept.

Shocked, at times tearful, Schapelle Corby said she had never seen the marijuana before. She insisted it must have been put in her luggage during transit. So any video images showing the bodyboard bag's size and shape while it was in Corby's care were important.

Her lawyers were later to ask for them. But the CCTV at the Brisbane Qantas check-in was experiencing problems; any images recorded that morning were wiped 25 days later.

At Brisbane the weights of the bags had not been individually recorded. Their weight on check-in and on arrival in Bali was crucial. In Bali, customs and police ignored it.

February 2005, Denpasar District Court

Mr Winata was the first witness called when Schapelle Corby's trial opened in the Denpasar District Court, the equivalent of an Australian Supreme Court. Mr Winata said that when he told Corby to open the bag, she opened a front pocket, saying: "Nothing in there."

He again ordered her to open the main flap. "The suspect (appeared) to panic. When I opened the bag a little, she stopped me and said, 'No.' I asked why. She answered, 'I have some...' She looked confused."

Winata said he opened the bag and saw the flippers, the plastic bags with the marijuana and the bodyboard. "I asked the suspect what was in the plastic bags. She said it was marijuana. I asked her, 'How do you know?' She said, 'I smelled it when you opened the bag'." A second customs officer supported his evidence.

Asked for her response, Corby got to her feet and angrily declared: "He's lying." In a strong voice, she said: "I opened the bag at the customs counter. He did not ask me. I opened it myself. I saw a plastic bag inside. It had been half opened." Corby made a gesture of recoiling. "Oh! The smell!"

The marijuana was in a bag that has a nozzle through which air is extracted to compact the contents. Customs photos taken at Denpasar clearly show this bag was inserted upside down into another identical bag. Other photos show customs officers handling the marijuana through the bottom of the inner bag.

Yet the officers denied to Corby's lawyers that they opened the bodyboard bag after the drugs were detected by the X-ray machine, or that they inspected the drugs then shut the bag.

Corby said the bag had been unzipped and zipped shut. She indicated how the two zips now met in the middle, but she always zipped the bag shut from right to left with a single zip.

Mr Winata denied customs officers had slit open the inner bag. Corby said the bag was "half opened" and was giving off an overpowering smell. The customs officers confirmed her reaction.

In court, the inner bag was instantly noticeable: the bottom was sealed with black tape.

Asked to show the position of the drugs bag when he found it, Mr Winata placed it upright in the outside bag, with the taped end down - reversing the positions shown by the customs photographs. He insisted he had not made a mistake.

Prosecutor Ida Bagus Nyoman Wiswantanu did not question Mr Winata's answers.

Holes in the argument

The customs officers had neglected four basic investigative procedures. They handled the outside drug bag with unprotected hands, taking no precautions against contaminating the only item of evidence. They also handled the bottom of the inner bag when they took out the marijuana.

At the airport, Ally McComb, then later Mercedes, demanded the bags be fingerprinted. They got the same reply. "Too late. Too many people have touched them."

Corby's lawyer, Lily Sri Rahaya Lubis, and her assistant, Vasu Rasiah, insist that only the external bag was contaminated. Most of the bag that contained the drugs was still clean because it had not been removed from the outer bag. Only the bottom of the inner bag had been handled.

The fingerprint evidence is basic and important. If Corby's prints are on either bag, she is condemned. If they are not, it is strong evidence for the defence, although not conclusive.

In late December, after repeated requests to have the evidence fingerprinted, the lawyers confronted the director of Bali's drugs bureau, Senior Commissioner Bambang Sugiarto, in charge of the investigation.

Mr Sugiarto had the bags brought to his office in Ms Lubis's presence. "He confirmed the inside bag had not been removed. He said he would have it fingerprinted," Ms Lubis said. It wasn't.

But on February 3, when Corby made her second court appearance, the inner bag was taken out of the outer bag and handled freely by a number of people, including customs officer Winata, prosecutor Wiswantanu and assistant judge I Gusti Lanang Dauh.

Later that day the frustrated defence lawyers made a formal application to have the bags fingerprinted. Chief Judge Linton Sirait said he would consider it. Two court sittings later, the lawyers are still waiting for his decision.

A second basic procedure was overlooked at the airport. No attempt was made to search or weigh the other luggage, even after Corby demanded it. No mention was made of this by the prosecution. Or of the failure to take fingerprints.

The third overlooked procedure is even more basic. CCTV cameras at the Bali airport could corroborate or contradict Corby's account of what happened in customs. The prosecutor said the tapes were not checked. The defence has asked to see them. The prosecutor said he would check to see if they are available.

There was a fourth failure. The X-ray machine that detected the marijuana does not take photos. So no image was available to show the location of the marijuana in the bodyboard bag before it got to customs.

The prosecution closed its case on February 17. It relies entirely on indisputable evidence that the marijuana was found in Corby's bodyboard bag and on the contested testimony of two customs officers and two police about her actions and responses.

Thursday March 3, the defence begins

Schapelle Corby's lawyers have several points to make.

Why, if Corby was smuggling the drugs, did she not take the basic precaution of putting a lock on her bodyboard bag?

Why did she not put the drugs behind the bodyboard, which would have concealed them from anyone opening the bag? Why did she not try to conceal the contents of the plastic bags?

Why would anyone risk a death sentence smuggling marijuana to Bali, where it will sell for much less than in Australia?

Where is the police evidence that Corby or any of her family had connections with drug traffickers?

The federal police confirm that Corby has no criminal record. Queensland police have no intelligence to relate her to drugs.

The drug's wholesale price in Brisbane is $4000 for half a kilogram. Where did a woman who works in a fish and chip shop get the $36,000 it could cost to buy 4.1 kilograms?

The defence will argue that the marijuana was put in the bag in Brisbane by an employee with "airside" access, most likely for pickup in Sydney.

But the pickup was somehow missed and the marijuana travelled on to Bali. The defence will also argue that the drugs were placed in the wrong bag on the wrong flight.

They will argue that the positioning of the marijuana in front of the bodyboard indicates it was inserted in haste during transit.

The problem is that the defence can establish a lot of doubt but no proof. From the outset, Mr Wiswantanu insisted that the only way he would accept that Corby was innocent was proof - visual or by weight - that the marijuana was not in the bodyboard bag when she checked it in at Brisbane airport. Or visual evidence of someone putting the drugs in the bodyboard bag.

Any chance of getting that evidence has gone. Qantas says the CCTV tapes were wiped on November 2, two weeks before it received a letter from the lawyers officially requesting copies.

But Corby's lawyers say their first request for the tapes was made on October 14, six days after Corby's arrest, to a Qantas security official who had flown from Sydney to Denpasar to meet them. This request was repeated a number of times.

The lawyers say that, in the last week of October, the Qantas security official told them the tapes were going to be destroyed within a week. On October 28, they sent the security official an email, noting this, and requesting copies of the CCTV tapes before they were wiped. This did not happen.

Mr Wiswantanu is demanding the death penalty.

He has successfully prosecuted six foreigners for importing drugs, one of whom got the death penalty.

If she is convicted, Schapelle Corby will face a firing squad. She is fighting for her life.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Natio...ld-decide-trial/2005/03/04/1109700679630.html
 

borat

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Why, if Corby was smuggling the drugs, did she not take the basic precaution of putting a lock on her bodyboard bag?

Draws unwanted attention to the bag and customs officers are more likely to want to look inside.

Why did she not put the drugs behind the bodyboard, which would have concealed them from anyone opening the bag? Why did she not try to conceal the contents of the plastic bags?

You put the drugs at the back and its going to stand out like dogs balls. At the front is where the flippers are and less likely to notice a huge bulge. The clear bag theory is garbage. A sack of that size is going to be checked out by customs if its seen whether the bag is black, blue or pink.


Why would anyone risk a death sentence smuggling marijuana to Bali, where it will sell for much less than in Australia?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Th...6950758469.html

Matthew Moore finds thriving demand in Denpasar for Australian produce.

Perhaps the most compelling reason so many Australians believe Schapelle Corby is innocent is the coals-to-Newcastle argument: why would anyone smuggle marijuana to Bali when it is so easy to get there?

While drugs might seem freely available, the foreigners who live here, including those serving time in Kerobokan jail, say that buying them is risky because you never know if the seller is an undercover cop or police informer.

For that reason, Westerners in Bali are prepared to pay premium prices for marijuana if they can get it from other Westerners, as this is the best way to ensure they are not trapped and arrested.

According to four Bali sources contacted by the Herald, including one former and one current drug dealer, high-quality Australian marijuana, similar to that found in Corby's luggage, has been sold on a limited basis in Bali for years, but only to Westerners.

One European man, now in jail for possessing hashish, said he knew of several Australians who had been bringing strong hydroponic marijuana into Bali.

He said it brought "really good money", fetching about 50 per cent more than Nepalese hashish that is more widely available for about $16 a gram on the streets.

He said the marijuana was stronger than the hashish. "You just can't move, it's like brain dead," he said of its effect.

An Australian who says he has lived in Bali for 15 years contacted the Herald several times to say his children were often offered marijuana called "Aussie gold". The man, who refused to give his name, said the "hydroponic bud" from Australia sold for $600 an ounce or as much as $20,000 a kilogram.

Top-quality marijuana in Australia sells for about $8000 a kilogram although more when broken into smaller amounts.

A Balinese drug dealer, who had spent time in jail, said he had smoked the Australian "skunk" many times with friends from Italy, Germany and Australia but had never bought or sold any.

He recognised the marijuana as Australian as it was made up of large flowers or buds while the marijuana he sold, from Aceh in north Sumatra or from Malang in east Java, had much smaller buds and a lot of leaf mixed in.

Despite requests from Corby's lawyers, Indonesian police did not test the marijuana in her bag to find out where it was grown or its strength. It is not certain it was grown hydroponically, a method that increases its potency.

But when the bag of marijuana was displayed in court, it was clear it was made up of buds the size of bananas which emitted a powerful smell whenever the plastic bag was opened.

While marijuana in the 1970s had THC (active ingredient) levels of between 1 per cent and 2 per cent, today's hydroponic marijuana often had levels of 15 per cent - higher than some hashish.

The Balinese drug dealer, who would not be named, said while there was a lot of marijuana for sale "it's hard for foreigners to get access to it" because they were so fearful of getting caught.

"It's safer for foreigners to bring their own. It's been happening for quite some time and it's not only marijuana."

While he was aware of the importation of marijuana from Australia, he said it was more common for foreigners to bring in hashish or other drugs.
 

ibeme

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borat said:
Draws unwanted attention to the bag and customs officers are more likely to want to look inside.

You put the drugs at the back and its going to stand out like dogs balls. At the front is where the flippers are and less likely to notice a huge bulge. The clear bag theory is garbage. A sack of that size is going to be checked out by customs if its seen whether the bag is black, blue or pink.

It'd take one cool drugs smuggler to have an unlocked bag with a clear bag of marijuana sitting on top. It'd only take the zipper to get caught on something to cost you your life. If you were going to place it on top in an unlocked bag, you'd not put it in a clear bag for that reason alone. I can't imagine any drug smugglers making it that easy to get busted by a simple accident.

Interesting to read the article you posted.

I don't know if she's guilty or not. I have plenty of doubt though, and in yesterday's hearing, their one witness reminded the judges that the prosecution had not proven beyond reasonable doubt that Corby put the drugs in the bag. He was an Indonesian, so I guess the beyond reasonable doubt must mean something in their justice system too. Far too much doubt for mine.
 

borat

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ibeme said:
It'd take one cool drugs smuggler to have an unlocked bag with a clear bag of marijuana sitting on top. It'd only take the zipper to get caught on something to cost you your life. If you were going to place it on top in an unlocked bag, you'd not put it in a clear bag for that reason alone. I can't imagine any drug smugglers making it that easy to get busted by a simple accident.

From my experiences from backpacking in Europe for 12 months in 2001, no body padlocked their bags in transit becuase it was a garuanteed that you would get you bag back with the padlock cut open with bolt cutters and your posessions turned inside out. Once you got to said country you then padlocked your bag.

If she did padlock the bag she would then never be able to blame the baggage handlers of planting the stash.
 

millersnose

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criminals are dumb...very dumb

thats why they are criminals

prisons are not filled with smart people they are filled with dopes - dopes who smoke too much dope
 

borat

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I posted this earlier in the thread.



borat said:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Corby-Case/Australians-in-jail-overseas/2005/05/28/1117129935048.html

155 Australians serving jail terms overseas (all crimes)

Europe 41
North Asia 18
South-East Asia 35
Middle East 5
North America 33
South America 5
Pacific 18

132 in overseas prisons on drug-related matters
70 serving jail terms overseas on drug offences

Three on death row for drug offences

Singapore: Nguyen Tuong Van, 24, from Melbourne, found guilty of trafficking 396 grams of heroin in 2002 and sentenced to be hanged. Appeal in October 2004 failed. John Howard has appealed to Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong for clemency, saying there were compassionate circumstances.

Vietnam: Tran Van Thanh, 40, found guilty in November 2004 of trafficking 682 grams of heroin. In prison in Ho Chi Minh City. Appeal failed but Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has written to his Vietnamese counterpart on a request for clemency. Nguyen Van Chinh, 44, a Sydney permanent resident, convicted in April 2005 of buying 1050 grams of heroin and sentenced to death. Has lodged an appeal.

Australians facing the death penalty if convicted on drug charges

Vietnam: Tran Thi Hong Loan. Charged with smuggling 440 grams of heroin. Mai Cong Thanh and Nguyen Manh Cong, charged with trafficking 1.7 kilograms of heroin.

Indonesia: The Bali nine who have not yet been charged but are accused of trying to smuggle more than 8 kilograms of heroin.

Andrew Chan, 21; Si Yi Chen, 20; Michael William Czugaj, 19; Renae Lawrence, 27; Tach Duc Thanh Nguyen, 27; Matthew James Norman, 18; Scott Anthony Rush, 19; Martin Eric Stephens, 29; Myuran Sukumaran, 24.

Australians charged with drug offences and facing 20 years in jail if convicted

Hong Kong: Chris Vo, 15, and Rachel Ann Diaz, 17, both from Sydney, charged in April with trying to smuggle $1 million of heroin to Australia. Hutchison Tran, 21, was arrested with them and charged with drug trafficking.
 

borat

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How can anybody seriously beleive that Corby didn't realise this was in her bag before the customs officer found it?

3477465_drugsweb.jpg
 

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