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Simon Katich - The most successful Australian openor in test history.

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Told ya Locky:

Pakistan v Australia, 1st MCC Spirit of Cricket Test, Lord's, 1st day

Australia grateful to consistent Katich

Brydon Coverdale at Lord's
July 13, 2010

Here's something that might surprise you. Simon Katich is statistically Australia's most successful Test opener of all time. Not Matthew Hayden, not Bill Ponsford. Simon Katich. As Katich shuffled off to the Lord's pavilion having been caught behind for 80, he sat atop the list of averages for Australians who have opened in at least 20 Test innings.
Loping out to the crease to replace Katich was Marcus North. The Australians were hoping Katich's consistency would rub off on North, who stalls on start-up more often than a learner driver. Three balls later, he was heading back from whence he came, bowled for a duck by a high-class inswinger from Mohammad Asif.
How North must envy Katich at the moment. The bookends of Australia's top six share much in common - they are unfashionable left-handers, they learnt their trade on the bouncy WACA pitch and they've each scored four hundreds since the beginning of last year - but consistency isn't one of those traits.
While it's been a feast-or-famine year for North, Katich has been dining out on opposition attacks and scoffing down every last scrap of a score he can find. Australia's opener has been so dependable that when he slashed a typical Katich boundary, an uppish cut through gully to reach his half-century, it meant he'd passed fifty in nine consecutive Tests, stretching back to The Oval last year.
The innings was pure Katich: barely a memorable shot until he'd reached a half-century, then a few boundaries crunched off loose balls, especially against Shahid Afridi. As he crab-walked across his stumps he was opening himself up to a Pakistan attack hooping balls around corners, but aside from a lucky let-off when he should have been trapped on 2, he was Australia's rock on a difficult day.
"There's no doubt that it was a tough day all the way through, given the conditions," Katich said after Australia reached 229 for 9. "At no stage did the clouds break and the sun came through. We knew that it was going to be a hard day out there with the ball swinging around consistently. It would have been nice to get more but at the same time we've got nearly 230 runs in the bank."
None of those runs came from the No. 6. Undoubtedly, North deserves his place in the team after rescuing his career with a century and a 90 in New Zealand, but in addition to his four Test centuries, he has been dismissed for 10 or less in more than half of his Test innings.
His high backlift makes him especially vulnerable to full, swinging deliveries and that's precisely what Asif served up. North was lucky to avoid a golden duck, when he could have been lbw had Pakistan noticed the ball hit pad before bat, and two deliveries later his stumps were shattered by a peach of an inswinger. It was that sort of day for the Australians - get your eye in rapidly or get out even quicker.
"If you get in, it can certainly be a great place to bat because the outfield is quick," Katich said. "Once you get used to the pace you can really get set. But vice-versa, there's always enough happening on days like today where it can be hard for the new guy. I don't think we saw too many poor shots or anything like that."
It's true that North was done in by superb bowling, and his position is rightly not in danger on this tour. However, he is the man with the most to lose if Steven Smith performs with the bat in his debut series. Should Smith convince the selectors that he is a viable top-six option - and with a first-class average of more than 50, it's possible - they will be tempted to push him up and enjoy the luxury of an extra specialist bowler.
Fortunately for North, there were no such signs on Smith's first day of Test cricket. Smith was lbw for 1, one of six Australians who failed to reach double figures. They all needed a little of Katich's consistency to rub off.

Brydon Coverdale is a staff writer at Cricinfo
Feeds: Brydon Coverdale © ESPN EMEA Ltd.


http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan-v-australia-2010/content/current/story/467222.html

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Get him up here, I want to boof him.
 

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Doesn't make enough hundreds to be regarded as the best. Good but not great.

read the list douche

got nothing to do with what you think, he is the best

Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0
SM Katich 2008-2010 28 50 3 2614 157 55.61 8 15 1 investigate this query
RB Simpson 1960-1968 38 70 4 3664 311 55.51 8 19 3 investigate this query
WH Ponsford 1926-1934 20 31 3 1517 266 54.17 5 4 0 investigate this query
WM Woodfull 1926-1934 27 44 4 2036 161 50.90 7 11 4 investigate this query
ML Hayden 1994-2009 103 184 14 8625 380 50.73 30 29 14 investigate this query
WA Brown 1934-1948 19 29 1 1404 206* 50.14 4 8 1 investigate this query
JL Langer 1993-2007 65 115 9 5112 250 48.22 16 18 7 investigate this query
WM Lawry 1961-1971 67 123 12 5234 210 47.15 13 27 6 investigate this query
HL Collins 1920-1926 18 27 1 1199 203 46.11 4 4 0 investigate this query
AR Morris 1946-1955 45 76 2 3381 206 45.68 11 12 4 investigate this query
DC Boon 1985-1993 36 63 5 2614 200 45.06 8 10 5 investigate this query
IR Redpath 1964-1976 32 59 3 2492 159* 44.50 6 15 2 investigate this query
MA Taylor 1989-1999 104 186 13 7525 334* 43.49 19 40 5 investigate this query
MJ Slater 1993-2001 74 131 7 5312 219 42.83 14 21 9 investigate this query
W Bardsley 1909-1926 33 47 5 1755 193* 41.78 4 11 4 investigate this query
KR Stackpole 1969-1974 33 64 5 2390 207 40.50 6 14 4 investigate this query
KC Wessels 1982-1985 17 28 1 1066 179 39.48 3 4 2 investigate this query
JHW Fingleton 1932-1938 16 26 1 987 118 39.48 4 3 3 investigate this query
CC McDonald 1952-1961 47 81 3 3073 170 39.39 5 17 2 investigate this query
J Darling 1896-1905 15 24 1 838 178 36.43 3 0 2 investigate this query
RB McCosker 1975-1980 19 32 3 1036 127 35.72 2 6 4 investigate this query
MTG Elliott 1996-1999 17 29 1 989 199 35.32 3 3 4 investigate this query
BM Laird 1979-1982 21 40 2 1341 92 35.28 0 11 2 investigate this query
JW Burke 1951-1959 21 37 6 1071 189 34.54 2 5 0 investigate this query
GM Wood 1978-1985 51 92 4 2958 172 33.61 8 12 7 investigate this query
GR Marsh 1985-1992 50 91 7 2819 138 33.55 4 15 3
 

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You couldn't say he is the best opener we have ever had, but you have to take you're hat off to him after the way he was treated early in his career. He deserves every success that comes his way.
 

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You couldn't say he is the best opener we have ever had, but you have to take you're hat off to him after the way he was treated early in his career. He deserves every success that comes his way.

Exactly my thoughts hiney. He deserves every success he has BUT he is not the best opener we have had. Consistent yes, but he is more in your Justin Langer mould. That said he deserves all the success he gets.
 

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Nothing like Langer, Langer and his technique would have killed him in an era without helmets. Langer revolutionised his technique when he opened and it worked for sure but he had a guy scoring runs down the other end, makes life easier.

Katich is the best at mastering his own technique, that is why he is so consistent even when wickets have fallen around him. He plays within his limitations very well no one would ever say he is the most talented opener ever, just the most consistent and solid.
 

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read the list douche

got nothing to do with what you think, he is the best

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...=innings;team=2;template=results;type=batting


if you consider that the best measure of the best... he's certainly done an impressive job...

Some impressive characters on that list - think I'd take Woodfull and Ponsford myself :D

interesting when you look at all nations...

Sutcliffe & Hobbs must have been some partnership!

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting
 
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One of the ugliest techniques in the game... but opening is not about being flash, it's about getting stuck in. Great player.
 

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if you consider that the best measure of the best... he's certainly done an impressive job...

Some impressive characters on that list - think I'd take Woodfull and Ponsford myself :D

interesting when you look at all nations...

Sutcliffe & Hobbs must have been some partnership!

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

perhaps I should have elaborated, he is statistically the best

I dont see how anyone can argue that those below him can be better

However his career isn't over yet, a few failures and he drops down the list of averages.

But for now, its hard to argue, especially when you see those below him.
 
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Doesn't make enough hundreds to be regarded as the best. Good but not great.

You tool.

His scoring rate of centuries (8 in 51 innings) = 6.375 innings per century.

Simpson = 8.75 innings per century.

Ponsford = 6.20 innings per century.

Woodfull = 6.29 innings per century.

Hayden = 6.13 innings per century.

Langer = 7.19 innings per century.

Lawry = 9.46 innings per century.

Morris = 6.91 innings per century.

Taylor = 9.79 innings per century.

Slater = 9.36 innings per century.

Get the picture?

Katich's century scoring rate is just as good as, if not better, than most of Australia's other openers. You can always argue that the older blokes played on more difficult pitches, but Katich is playing in a team in transition, and has only recently become established as an opener. And he is doing a fine job at it, as he is showing in the current Test match.

Outstanding temperament, tough and uncompromising technique that lulls the bowling attack into bowling to his strengths, also a great leader on the field, and doesn't throw himself in the limelight constantly trying to get the media on his side the way that clowns like Brett Lee, Mike Hussey and Ricky Ponting do so much of the time. I have tremendous respect for how Katich took himself back to state cricket after being dropped, and EARNED his stripes again. Can you imagine if Hussey or Lee or someone like that was told to earn their spot through state cricket again? Guarantee you they wouldn't do it. I can respect Watson for that.
 

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Only wish he was given the chance to develop his chinaman earlier on in his career, would've been an amazing option to have! And Mack, excellent post, but as if the likes of Hussey and Lee wouldn't prove themselves through state cricket again? Lee has in the past been dumped to state cricket and come back into the fold, your bias against anyone that is marketable clouds your otherwise reasonable opinions.

As a bat, atm, Katich is by far our best, throughout history... well ofcourse that is debatable, roads are a regular occurence these days... however, Katich's record shouldn't be tainted by that, as he can perform on all kinds of surfaces... the likes of Hayden, did not...
 

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perhaps I should have elaborated, he is statistically the best

I dont see how anyone can argue that those below him can be better

However his career isn't over yet, a few failures and he drops down the list of averages.

But for now, its hard to argue, especially when you see those below him.


By that measure :) And it's not hard to argue at all... you're not usually one to argue for stats twizzle, or is it ok when they suit your purpose :sarcasm: FOr the record, I like Katich, he's my kind of cricketer!

As the Mack showed Woodfull and Ponsford come out slightly better on another manipulation of the numbers...

Interesting that the 20's and the current era are heavily represented - certainly the case that there are a few roads about - but as Mr F says, I'd back Katich above the likes of Hayden on wickets that do a bit - in sayinbg that, another bully in Sehwag was the best Indian batsman in very testing conditions in NZ a while back..
 
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Only wish he was given the chance to develop his chinaman earlier on in his career, would've been an amazing option to have! And Mack, excellent post, but as if the likes of Hussey and Lee wouldn't prove themselves through state cricket again? Lee has in the past been dumped to state cricket and come back into the fold, your bias against anyone that is marketable clouds your otherwise reasonable opinions.

As a bat, atm, Katich is by far our best, throughout history... well ofcourse that is debatable, roads are a regular occurence these days... however, Katich's record shouldn't be tainted by that, as he can perform on all kinds of surfaces... the likes of Hayden, did not...

Correct regarding Hayden. Flat track bully, Katich performs in all conditions and unlike Hayden he can grit it out.

Lee has never been 'dumped' to state cricket per se. He was injured, but was pretty much assured of a spot in the team once his fitness was regained, he earned his Test spot back through limited overs matches for Australia, but once his Test career began he played VERY little first class cricket for NSW - check the records.

It is a simple case of selector favoritism in Lee's case, and Ponting favoritism in Hussey's case. The selectors persisted with Lee even through awful spells of form because of the money he makes with his media reputation and image, which was one of his merits, but that shouldn't justify selection in poor form streaks. Hussey, on the other hand, has grown to be one of Ponting's right hand men, and as such has grown a very strong foundation in the team that again can defy poor form. I can see the same happening with Marcus North and Michael Clarke too. These are the sort of reasons that players can get picked even when out of form, because of their image or mateships in the team. It gives them a big head under the guide of modesty, which means they don't really worry about losing their spots because form isn't what warrants their selections.

Andrew Symonds had a similar situation - he thought he could get away with idiocy off the field, and when they took a stand to him, he did nothing except throw together some gutless performances for QLD, and then get his $$$ in the IPL.

Katich is a glowing example of someone who had to work for their spot to earn it back, and is paying dividends. You can criticize Langer, Martyn and Hayden and even Ponting to an extent for relatively poor form with the bat towards the ends of their careers, but they did have to earn their spots in the team again after failed initial opportunities, much like the Waugh brothers too.

That is the problem with selection nowadays - far too many gutless selectors too scared to cut people who aren't performing. There is no point in holding onto someone who they 'know' can come good, when there are a few very talented players on the fringes who are already in hot form and could very well carry that into the International arena.
 
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By that measure :) And it's not hard to argue at all... you're not usually one to argue for stats twizzle, or is it ok when they suit your purpose :sarcasm: FOr the record, I like Katich, he's my kind of cricketer!

As the Mack showed Woodfull and Ponsford come out slightly better on another manipulation of the numbers...

Interesting that the 20's and the current era are heavily represented - certainly the case that there are a few roads about - but as Mr F says, I'd back Katich above the likes of Hayden on wickets that do a bit - in sayinbg that, another bully in Sehwag was the best Indian batsman in very testing conditions in NZ a while back..

Sehwag's style isn't necessarily a flat-track bully - he is just a bully in all conditions. He attacks no matter what the situation, in a very selfless style. he has struggled in South Africa and England though, I believe...

It is more the style of play. Hayden is a leg-side player, so on seaming pitches, if he misses the ball playing off his pads, he is an LBW or bowled candidate. With Sehwag, he clears his front leg and slashes to the offside. The difference in that case is that if he misses, it will sail harmlessly to the keeper, and if he snicks it, he slashes hard enough that it might get through or over the slips.

Its a matter of odds. Playing off the pads and missing = out definitely. Playing to the offside and missing = second chances.
 

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Hussey has had a bad trot but what about his form around that? Bradman like. I would second guess dropping someone with a batting average around 80 for most of his career but now is still over 50. Hussey and Ponting are near the end and that is ok we have good players in FC possibly ready to fill the void. You can't say Hussey hasn't been made to earn his stripes he debuted at 30 remember that is a long time in FC cricket earning your stripes.

Katich had to earn his spot because his form didn't warrant selection until he had that remarkable season in FC cricket. You can't deny that sort of form.
 

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