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SMH: Great halves divided on Smith's value to Eels

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Great halves divided on Smith's value to Eels

Greg Prichard | August 30, 2007

Former champion halfbacks Peter Sterling, Steve Mortimer and Greg Alexander are split over whether Parramatta should dump Tim Smith from first grade.
Mortimer and Alexander say he should go if the Eels are to make an impact in the finals, but Sterling believes it would be madness to get rid of him.
Halfback Smith has been heavily criticised for his part in Parramatta's awful performance in losing to St George Illawarra on Monday night. Five-eighth Brett Finch copped criticism as well, but Smith wore the brunt of it for a display in which his game was well off its best.
Mortimer and Alexander said Finch should be switched to halfback in time for the Eels' game against Brisbane at Parramatta Stadium on Sunday.
"Smith looks a bit erratic on the field," Mortimer said yesterday. "I think Finch has got a lot more to offer as their halfback. I've always thought that. Smith does some good things, and a coach can invest in that if it's more than 50 per cent good things, but it's less than 50 per cent with him. Cooper Cronk is not what you'd call a brilliant player but he does a great job directing the Melbourne team around. I think Finch does that sort of thing better than Smith.
"Parra need to make a change if they're going to go somewhere in the finals. Their halfback needs to question the defence more, and the way a halfback does that is by running to the line."
Alexander said Smith's game was such that it had to be only a bit out of whack for defences to stop Parramatta from putting them under pressure.
"Your first instinct as a halfback should be to run the ball," Alexander said yesterday. "Smith's first instinct is to pass or kick. He's got a good kick when it's working, but when the defence knows what he's doing, they just drift across to cover him and his runners, which is what the Dragons did on Monday night.
"Smith can run. He's got a sidestep. He's got good vision with his kicks, so he could use that vision when he runs. But it's not his inclination to run. Unless he runs the ball, Parra will not do anything in the finals. I would put Finch at halfback and [lock Feleti] Mateo at five-eighth.
"I'm not out to give it to Parra - I'm just looking at their situation and thinking about what might help them. Either [Parramatta coach] Michael Hagan is confident enough to sit Smith down and tell him, 'This is what you've got to do,' and believe he is going to do it, or he should consider making a change."

But Sterling said the suggestion Smith should be sacked was a massive over-reaction. He said Smith was still Parramatta's best bet at halfback and that the team was capable of winning the premiership with him there.
"I wouldn't be changing things," Sterling said yesterday. "Smith and Finch have been the halves pairing all season, and while the side hasn't been in great form recently, it has been in pretty good form for the most part. You've got to show faith in the ability of the halves - and the rest of the team - to find their best form again.
"The thing about that game on Monday night was that the Dragons had easily the majority of the possession and that was always going to take its toll on Parramatta.
"Melbourne look head and shoulders above every other team at the moment, but anything can happen, and Parramatta is still one of the teams that is capable of winning the premiership.
"I think people can get carried away with talk that Smith has got to run the ball more. What he's got to do is run at the right time and maybe do it a bit more in the early stages of the game, to put it in the minds of the opposition players that he might run at any time."
Hagan indicated after the loss to the Dragons that he would not be changing the halves. The sixth-placed Eels could finish as high as fourth if they beat the Broncos and other results favour them. But there is also a remote chance that if they lose and other results go against them, they could miss the finals.

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...1188067189826.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
 

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Can Finch throw a money ball when it counts ? Can he pop a pin point kick to the winger ? No and no.

We (and Smith) might be playing down in confidence, but putting Finch in at 7 will just make it worse.
 
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Tim must imporve his running that's a given but.......

Does anyone think that If Tim ran the ball on Monday we would have won the Game?? Well We were not even in a position to attack as Saints had all the ball due to our poor ball handling and that's what cost us the game. On top of that our forwards didn't show up and the whole teams attitude was crap. Both our halves were left trying to do the good old Miracle tricks from our own area.

Now to Tim's game, Yes he needs to run the ball but as Sterlo said he has too pick and choose when to do it just to create some doubt in the defence and mix his game up a little. We all know Smith is a freak and has heaps of Vision and is in the top 3 leading try assists. He did play poorly on Monday but so did the whole damn team. It's a bit rich for people to just blame him.

The reason why I think he cops so much attention is that so many see his talent and want him to do well. Tim behind a good forward pack is an excellent player and if he improves his running game he could be anything. He has a great step dare I say a Johns like one but he doesn't seem confident using it.
 

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its too close to the finals to be making major team changes like this
 

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I hope Tim's shoulder is not hindering his performance? The only thing I will criticise him (and Finch) for on Monday night was that on several occasions they were not in position on the last tackle. Oh, and the HUGE forward pass Smith threw!
 
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Finch has played halfback at State Of Origin level. He was also the halfback in a premiership winning team. Why he is not the half perplexes me.
 

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Jake the snake said:
Tim must imporve his running that's a given but.......

Does anyone think that If Tim ran the ball on Monday we would have won the Game?? Well We were not even in a position to attack as Saints had all the ball due to our poor ball handling and that's what cost us the game. On top of that our forwards didn't show up and the whole teams attitude was crap. Both our halves were left trying to do the good old Miracle tricks from our own area.

Now to Tim's game, Yes he needs to run the ball but as Sterlo said he has too pick and choose when to do it just to create some doubt in the defence and mix his game up a little. We all know Smith is a freak and has heaps of Vision and is in the top 3 leading try assists. He did play poorly on Monday but so did the whole damn team. It's a bit rich for people to just blame him.

The reason why I think he cops so much attention is that so many see his talent and want him to do well. Tim behind a good forward pack is an excellent player and if he improves his running game he could be anything. He has a great step dare I say a Johns like one but he doesn't seem confident using it.

im sick of hearing crap like this post.

if we had a better forward pack Tim would be a star
Jarrd Hayne Ddoesnt run back to the line at fullback
Drop Ben smith for inu blah blah blah


Its simple the guy is a non performer. He has been given three seasons to prove his worth at halfback. We all know Brett Finch is not a 5/8 he is a halfback.

I beg Hagan to drop him ASAP if we have any chance at finals time.

If he doesnt get dropped were gone simple as that.

I mean does anyone here really think we are a threat to melbourne or manly ??? Or even a threat at finals time??? Common be realistic we will be lucky to make the 8 the bubble has burst.
 

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join the bandwagon said:
Finch has played halfback at State Of Origin level. He was also the halfback in a premiership winning team. Why he is not the half perplexes me.

When? He wasn't at the Roosters in 2002.

Nick
 

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join the bandwagon said:
Finch has played halfback at State Of Origin level. He was also the halfback in a premiership winning team. Why he is not the half perplexes me.


Very Good pint JTB.

If people dont want to rop there beloved half why not switch them around. finch to half and smith to 5/8.

I reckon fileti would do well at 5/8 with finch at half
 

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join the bandwagon said:
Finch has played halfback at State Of Origin level. He was also the halfback in a premiership winning team. Why he is not the half perplexes me.

Finch was 7 next to Fittler. Neville Nobody plays at 7 up at the Broncs next to Lockyer.

Unless Feleti can lift his game and play sole playmaker next to Finch then we are stuck with the current arrangement IMHO.
 

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Gronk said:
Finch was 7 next to Fittler. Neville Nobody plays at 7 up at the Broncs next to Lockyer.

Unless Feleti can lift his game and play sole playmaker next to Finch then we are stuck with the current arrangement IMHO.

Finch never won a premeirship. Craig Wing was halfback in 02.
 
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jayjayselmes said:
im sick of hearing crap like this post.

if we had a better forward pack Tim would be a star
Jarrd Hayne Ddoesnt run back to the line at fullback
Drop Ben smith for inu blah blah blah


Its simple the guy is a non performer. He has been given three seasons to prove his worth at halfback. We all know Brett Finch is not a 5/8 he is a halfback.

I beg Hagan to drop him ASAP if we have any chance at finals time.

If he doesnt get dropped were gone simple as that.

I mean does anyone here really think we are a threat to melbourne or manly ??? Or even a threat at finals time??? Common be realistic we will be lucky to make the 8 the bubble has burst.

I think we were a threat to melb last week. probably should have won the game if i remember correctly.

"but the storm played crap" i hear u say. yer, but we werent too red hot either.
 

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Very Good pint JTB.

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. JTB and Jay Jay, the haters, agreeing with each other.

Anyone who thinks either that Finch is a halfback, or Finch is a better halfback thatn Smith has absolutely no idea.

Anyone who watched either Monday's game, or every other game this season would see that in fact Smith ran the ball more often that Finch did. he also provided more (ie at least some) direction than Finch did. And that was on a well below par performance, and a week after dislocating his shoulder.

Please.

And finally Sterlo - someone has finally said it! It is not simply a matter of Smith running more. It has nothing to do with just running. When Gary Freeman said that after the game on Monday it was pure cliche.

He actually did get tackled more than ever on Monday night and had his worse game of the season. That pretty much says it all.
 

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Bigfella said:
Anyone who thinks either that Finch is a halfback, or Finch is a better halfback thatn Smith has absolutely no idea.

Sums up Mortimer pretty well actually.

Suity
 

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jayjayselmes said:
Very Good pint JTB.

If people dont want to rop there beloved half why not switch them around. finch to half and smith to 5/8.

I reckon fileti would do well at 5/8 with finch at half
no vey bad "pint" jayjay. finch has never won a premiership. it's a point made on a false premise much like a number of your points. fileti does go alright at 5/8, but when tim is at half. the two of them have an understanding as they played togther as our halves in their younger years.

i am more inclined to agree with the reasoning of sterlo who has been louded by many as a great football mind rather than you, someone who bags tim smith regardless of how well he plays. while i can understand the reasoning of brandy as well i don't agree with it. you can't just say a half needs to think run first as they should play to their strengths.

did you watch the game against melbourne jayjay? even after the side turned over too much ball in the first half we still matched them for two tries a-piece. and tim out-played that over-rated hack, cooper cronk, that you keep harping on about.
 

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I dont think Finch played any better than smith on monday night. I think the shoulder might be giving him more worries than he's letting on. But he should be first choice halfback.
 

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If anyone heard the Tim Smith interview last night on Gibbs and Brandy show can you let us know briefly what was said??

Given Brandy has been giving it to him, it would have been good to hear. I heard 10 seconds of it and had to go !:x
 

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Youre all bloody geniuss,

i ask you this. who is leading the eels player of the year tally?
where the f*** is finch on the player of the year tally?

tim has 25 try assists

he has 2 bad games and all you f***ing geniuss hop off his bandwagon and on to finches

finch only played origin because gower got injured, johns didnt want to and kimmorley rejected the offer

hes only a premiership halfback because he had the worlds greatest 5/8 doing everything for him, what did finch do, pass it to fittler? even i coodve played roosters halfback in that premiership winning team and there wood be no changed to the result

did anyone consider dropping finch for mateo?

do you all honerstly think that finch is a better payer then tim?

when i watch the parra games finch looks like he has no idea what he is doing, tim does he throws the bullet passes on the chest and the pinpoint kicks, in fact he leads the nrl stats with kicks to open space by a considerable margin

when was the last time finch put a kick into open space, how many try assists does finch have this year 8/9? and he is playing 1st receiver most of the time

FFS PEOPLE WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES
 

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