So is it Catt Utai or is he being coached to lay down?

[Timmah]

I can't believe Chook thinks this is defendable. It matters none that Utai stayed on the ground (in all likelihood he was hurt because MORLEY COPPED HIM AROUND THE NECK. ANYTHING ABOVE THE COLLARBONE IS A HEAD f**kING HIGH YOU IMBECILE!).

He wasn't charged by the committee, so freaking what? He still made a poor attempt at a tackle, got a player around the neck and chin, and got sent off. Maybe Simpkins overreacted but you're attitude is one of Morley doing nothing wrong and that sir, is what is sad in the debate.

 

[Chook]

I can't believe Chook thinks this is defendable. It matters none that Utai stayed on the ground (in all likelihood he was hurt because MORLEY COPPED HIM AROUND THE NECK. ANYTHING ABOVE THE COLLARBONE IS A HEAD f***ing HIGH YOU IMBECILE!).

He wasn't charged by the committee, so freaking what? He still made a poor attempt at a tackle, got a player around the neck and chin, and got sent off. Maybe Simpkins overreacted but you're attitude is one of Morley doing nothing wrong and that sir, is what is sad in the debate.

Get this through your very thick skull, I have never tried to defend Morley's tackle in this debate, it was high, but, BUT, it was an open handed slap that bounced up from Utai's shoulder. It was not a forearm to the head like some of you are claiming. The only players to stay down after a "playful slap" like that are the ones who are coached to stay down or those that stay down off their own bat.

I have just asked the question was Utai coached to take that dive or is it something that is now part of his game?

And for those claiming the Roosters take dives, either bring up a specific incident like this one or blow your claims out your arses.

Chook.

 

[Misty Bee]

And for those claiming the Roosters take dives, either bring up a specific incident like this one or blow your claims out your arses.

EVERY team takes dives! It's a better way to make gain field position than endless (well, 6) hitups!

Ever wondered why a player, who recieves a penalty for some infringement when playing the ball, gets congratulated by his teammates? Some penalties are milked - and all clubs do it.

Claiming that the Roosters don't is rediculous.

 

[Chook]

And for those claiming the Roosters take dives, either bring up a specific incident like this one or blow your claims out your arses.

EVERY team takes dives! It's a better way to make gain field position than endless (well, 6) hitups!

Ever wondered why a player, who recieves a penalty for some infringement when playing the ball, gets congratulated by his teammates? Some penalties are milked - and all clubs do it.

Claiming that the Roosters don't is rediculous.

I never said the Roosters didn't milk penalties, I asked for specific incidents of Roosters taking a dive. If you can't supply that Misty than blow it out your arse.

Chook.

 

[skeepe]

Interesting isn't it? When Morley got Mark McLinden high a while back, Bulldogs and Roosters fans were side-by-side saying how McLinden was a diver and how bad it all is, yet now the shoe is on the other foot, there's no way that Utai could be a diver because Morley got him high.

For the record I don't think either player took a dive, just interesting how one's perception of an incident changes when it happens to your team.

 

[JK]

Interesting isn't it? When Morley got Mark McLinden high a while back, Bulldogs and Roosters fans were side-by-side saying how McLinden was a diver and how bad it all is, yet now the shoe is on the other foot, there's no way that Utai could be a diver because Morley got him high.

For the record I don't think either player took a dive, just interesting how one's perception of an incident changes when it happens to your team.

I can honestly say that I wasn't side by side with Roosters - mainly because I didn't give two figs for McLinden!

 

[aenima1]

morely is just a moron that cant tackle, he's made high shots time after time.

 

[Timmah]

And for those claiming the Roosters take dives, either bring up a specific incident like this one or blow your claims out your arses.

EVERY team takes dives! It's a better way to make gain field position than endless (well, 6) hitups!

Ever wondered why a player, who recieves a penalty for some infringement when playing the ball, gets congratulated by his teammates? Some penalties are milked - and all clubs do it.

Claiming that the Roosters don't is rediculous.

I never said the Roosters didn't milk penalties, I asked for specific incidents of Roosters taking a dive. If you can't supply that Misty than blow it out your arse.

Chook.

You're a blind self-indulgent fool if you believe no Rooster has ever taken a dive. That said, I honestly don't believe Utai "dived". The tackle was enough to warrant him being hurt and he probly had difficulty breathing for a brief period given where Morley got him (across the neck). Wake up and smell the primrose, and while you're at it take off your red, white and blue blinkers and look at the real situation.

 

[Chook]

And for those claiming the Roosters take dives, either bring up a specific incident like this one or blow your claims out your arses.

EVERY team takes dives! It's a better way to make gain field position than endless (well, 6) hitups!

Ever wondered why a player, who recieves a penalty for some infringement when playing the ball, gets congratulated by his teammates? Some penalties are milked - and all clubs do it.

Claiming that the Roosters don't is rediculous.

I never said the Roosters didn't milk penalties, I asked for specific incidents of Roosters taking a dive. If you can't supply that Misty than blow it out your arse.

Chook.

You're a blind self-indulgent fool if you believe no Rooster has ever taken a dive. That said, I honestly don't believe Utai "dived". The tackle was enough to warrant him being hurt and he probly had difficulty breathing for a brief period given where Morley got him (across the neck). Wake up and smell the primrose, and while you're at it take off your red, white and blue blinkers and look at the real situation.

So the tackle was enough to warrant Utai being hurt was it dodge? Even though the match review committee said in their summary of the incident "initial contact with Utai's left shoulder (and) subsequent contact made with head/neck but with minimal force". Do you see dodge "with minimal force"!

So dodge you believe that Utai, a player who regularly runs through 2 and 3 defenders, to suddenly get hurt from an open handed playful slap applied with minimal force is not taking a dive eh? :lol: :lol: Why don't you take off those blue coloured glasses and look at the real situation before demanding that of others!!

Oh and keep the insults coming dodge, they really add value to your points, or lack of :roll: .

Chook.

 

[Timmah]

Mate, you really should look at what you say, it's really sad.

I can hit you as soft as I like in the larynx and I guarantee you'll have trouble breathing for a few moments. Minimal force means shit. You can still be hurt by the softest tackle around, and where Morley hit Utai, the bloke would have struggled for breath briefly. You keep pursuing this sad and pathetic argument after your team won, your player was cleared and finally you got your so-called "vengeance" for last years GF loss. So why are you still talking? Get back to ELC and get on the piss, that's what most Easts fans would have done. :roll:

 

[bulldog]

If I hit you with a 120kg object with "minimal force" whilst you are running towards that object, it's still a 120kg object, in the world of physics we have a thing called inertia, look it up it may surprise you.

You can't really believe it was a playful slap you are without proving you are an idiot. Your argument can be pretty much summed up with " I don't think he hit him hard so he must not have been hurt", play the game some time and you will probably learn that some of the most innocuos looking incidents result in some of the worst injuries.

"initial contact with Utai's left shoulder (and) subsequent contact made with head/neck but with minimal force"

So the match review committe is always 100% right, and they measured the force applied to Utais neck and head.

If he did take a dive, which I don't believe for one second, then good on him for earning his team a penalty, it's called gamesmanship and it's no different from Finch arguing every single call the touchies and refs make against the Roosters.

 

[Chook]

Mate, you really should look at what you say, it's really sad.

I can hit you as soft as I like in the larynx and I guarantee you'll have trouble breathing for a few moments. Minimal force means sh*t. You can still be hurt by the softest tackle around, and where Morley hit Utai, the bloke would have struggled for breath briefly. You keep pursuing this sad and pathetic argument after your team won, your player was cleared and finally you got your so-called "vengeance" for last years GF loss. So why are you still talking? Get back to ELC and get on the piss, that's what most Easts fans would have done. :roll:

I know what I say is sad dodge, it means Bulldog players are divers. They either stay down of their own accord or they are coached to stay down, either way it's a sad revelation.

Chook.

 

[JJ]

Mate, you really should look at what you say, it's really sad.

I can hit you as soft as I like in the larynx and I guarantee you'll have trouble breathing for a few moments. Minimal force means sh*t. You can still be hurt by the softest tackle around, and where Morley hit Utai, the bloke would have struggled for breath briefly. You keep pursuing this sad and pathetic argument after your team won, your player was cleared and finally you got your so-called "vengeance" for last years GF loss. So why are you still talking? Get back to ELC and get on the piss, that's what most Easts fans would have done. :roll:

I know what I say is sad dodge, it means Bulldog players are divers. They either stay down of their own accord or they are coached to stay down, either way it's a sad revelation.

Chook.

maybe, the other way to look at it is that Morley is a high shot merchant - there's plenty of evidence to support that

 

[Chook]

If I hit you with a 120kg object with "minimal force" whilst you are running towards that object, it's still a 120kg object, in the world of physics we have a thing called inertia, look it up it may surprise you.

Ok what is the compression factor of your 120kg object? What is it's surface area at the point of impact? What is it's density, mass, is it rotating etc etc. If you want to talk physics brainstem, let's go. Otherwise let's just stick with the facts and leave the hypotheticals alone?

You can't really believe it was a playful slap you are without proving you are an idiot. Your argument can be pretty much summed up with " I don't think he hit him hard so he must not have been hurt", play the game some time and you will probably learn that some of the most innocuos looking incidents result in some of the worst injuries.

That's true and had Morley hit Utai in the eye or eye area you would have a point. But the initial contact was the shoulder and in your world of physics that initial contact would definately reduce the amount of force in the second contact? And the second contact was with an open hand, increasing the surface area at the point of impact again reducing the amount of force in the second contact.

And yet Utai goes down like he was shot? Only to get straight back up again once Morley was sent off? :roll:

"initial contact with Utai's left shoulder (and) subsequent contact made with head/neck but with minimal force"

So the match review committe is always 100% right, and they measured the force applied to Utais neck and head.

If he did take a dive, which I don't believe for one second, then good on him for earning his team a penalty, it's called gamesmanship and it's no different from Finch arguing every single call the touchies and refs make against the Roosters.

So you don't believe Utai dived, but good on him IF he did? :? If your so willing to accept your players take dives, why are you arguing with me?

Chook.

 

[Garts]

Mate, you really should look at what you say, it's really sad.

I can hit you as soft as I like in the larynx and I guarantee you'll have trouble breathing for a few moments. Minimal force means sh*t. You can still be hurt by the softest tackle around, and where Morley hit Utai, the bloke would have struggled for breath briefly. You keep pursuing this sad and pathetic argument after your team won, your player was cleared and finally you got your so-called "vengeance" for last years GF loss. So why are you still talking? Get back to ELC and get on the piss, that's what most Easts fans would have done. :roll:

I know what I say is sad dodge, it means Bulldog players are divers. They either stay down of their own accord or they are coached to stay down, either way it's a sad revelation.

Chook.

cmon Chook get over it!!! anyway, even of they do dive they will only get a penalty if they have done something illegal. I see no problem with it.

Or do you just have a problem when someone does it against the Roosters??? with the amount of moaning you have been doing it seems that way.

 

[JJ]

And yet Utai goes down like he was shot? Only to get straight back up again once Morley was sent off?

He was either genuinely hurt, or being professional...

You're affronted by a player possibly doing his best to help his tem win a game?? You're happy for players to milk penalties after a tackle's been committed but not if a tackle is borderline high???

Bottom line seems to be, the tackle was high and deserved a penatly. The ref overreacted and sent Morley off - if he did that on the basis of Morley's reputation (deserved) - then it's poor refereeing. If he did it on the basis of Utai's acting (your opinion) then it's poor refereeing, if he just made a dumb mistake, then we all do that... If the decision can be attributed to the first two, then the ref should be dropped, otherwise we just need to get over it...

 

[Chook]

Mate, you really should look at what you say, it's really sad.

I can hit you as soft as I like in the larynx and I guarantee you'll have trouble breathing for a few moments. Minimal force means sh*t. You can still be hurt by the softest tackle around, and where Morley hit Utai, the bloke would have struggled for breath briefly. You keep pursuing this sad and pathetic argument after your team won, your player was cleared and finally you got your so-called "vengeance" for last years GF loss. So why are you still talking? Get back to ELC and get on the piss, that's what most Easts fans would have done. :roll:

I know what I say is sad dodge, it means Bulldog players are divers. They either stay down of their own accord or they are coached to stay down, either way it's a sad revelation.

Chook.

maybe, the other way to look at it is that Morley is a high shot merchant - there's plenty of evidence to support that

I'll be the first to admit that Morley had a technique problem and that the tackle on Utai was high. But there's no evidence to support the claim that Utai was injured? He stayed on and played on. There was no blood, no scar, no need for a doctor, no charges, no case to answer for! The only evidence that Utai was injured was that he stayed down...just until Morley was sent and then he got back up again.

However there's more then enough evidence to support the fact that Utai is a diver.

Chook.

 

[JJ]

I'll be the first to admit that Morley had a technique problem and that the tackle on Utai was high. But there's no evidence to support the claim that Utai was injured? He stayed on and played on. There was no blood, no scar, no need for a doctor, no charges, no case to answer for! The only evidence that Utai was injured was that he stayed down...just until Morley was sent and then he got back up again.

However there's more then enough evidence to support the fact that Utai is a diver.

Chook.

and my response above remains - SO?

Morley screwed up first, and the ref second. The penalty was justified, the sending off not. If Utai was acting, so!!!! The ref should not be influenced by that - your beef should be with the ref!

 

[Dirk Titan]

Chook your right ! So give the Roosters the 2 points they should of won!

Chook Your right ! So lets clear Morley of the charge so he can play this week!
Also don't fine Ricky! He should be able to sledge the ref!

What else do you want, take points off the Dogs, charge Utai and fine Folkes :?:

Get over it, take some positives from the game and move on, because your form isn't that crash hot.

 

[Dogaholic]

Mate, you really should look at what you say, it's really sad.

I can hit you as soft as I like in the larynx and I guarantee you'll have trouble breathing for a few moments. Minimal force means sh*t. You can still be hurt by the softest tackle around, and where Morley hit Utai, the bloke would have struggled for breath briefly. You keep pursuing this sad and pathetic argument after your team won, your player was cleared and finally you got your so-called "vengeance" for last years GF loss. So why are you still talking? Get back to ELC and get on the piss, that's what most Easts fans would have done. :roll:

I know what I say is sad dodge, it means Bulldog players are divers. They either stay down of their own accord or they are coached to stay down, either way it's a sad revelation.

Chook.

maybe, the other way to look at it is that Morley is a high shot merchant - there's plenty of evidence to support that

I'll be the first to admit that Morley had a technique problem and that the tackle on Utai was high. But there's no evidence to support the claim that Utai was injured? He stayed on and played on. There was no blood, no scar, no need for a doctor, no charges, no case to answer for! The only evidence that Utai was injured was that he stayed down...just until Morley was sent and then he got back up again.

However there's more then enough evidence to support the fact that Utai is a diver.

Chook.

Watch the game again. Look closely at the incident. You will notice that Utai is grogy for a while after the tackle