Sore Losers

[Kingytek]

Over the years we have had some great grand finals and great grand finalists. They focus all year on one thing and that is to lift the trophy at the end of it all. Now, falling at the final hurdle has caused some people to say some pretty stupid things after the Grand Final loss.
For mine the worst would had to have been when J Thurston after last years grand final said he felt like hanging himself.
He knows young aborginals look up to him because of his status in the aboriginal and rugby league communities and the fact is that aboriginal suicides are through the roof in australia and he goes and says this. What a stupid thing to say!!!!

http://www.aic.gov.au/crc/reports/tatz/
Youth suicide, unknown amongst Aborigines until three decades ago, is now double, perhaps treble, the rate of non-Aboriginal suicide. In 1997, the male youth rate was five times the already high national rate of between 24 and 26 per 100,000 of the population.
In a 30-month period from 1 January 1996 to 30 June 1998, there were 43 definite Aboriginal suicides amongst just over one-third of the Aboriginal population of New South Wales and the ACT. This equates to a rate of 40 suicides per 100,000 Aborigines per year.
It is possible that there were a further 31 suicides in 1996-98. However, their Aboriginality was uncertain. My cautious view is that 16 of that group of 31 were Aboriginal, based on clues, hints, geographic location, commonality of family names, and method and place of suicide. I have deliberately excluded all of these from the rates listed above. If they were Aboriginal, then the dimension of the problem is that much greater than I have portrayed.
The 15 to 24-year-old Aboriginal cohort in New South Wales is 20,592. In 1997, ten suicides in that group amounted to an annual rate of 48.56 per 100,000, double the national figure. For males, the youth rate in 1997 (including two under 14) was a staggering 127.8 per 100,000, among the highest recorded in the international literature I surveyed. In the 5 to 15-year-old cohort, the annual rate was 15.6 per 100,000 - three times that of the next highest I could find, 5.25 for "Manitoba aborigines".

What has been said this year and previous years?

 

[salivor]

Yeah the guy has just been on the losing side of a Grand Final, is shattered and at that time he should be thinking that he's Aboriginal and know what Aboriginal suicide rates are. Secondly by saying that he should imploy the geniused logic that it is conding suicide and encouraging Aboriginals to kill themselves.

Note the sarcasm, it must have been a proud day for you Kingtek when you graduated into the PC police brigade.

 

[Kingytek]

Yeah the guy has just been on the losing side of a Grand Final, is shattered and at that time he should be thinking that he's Aboriginal and know what Aboriginal suicide rates are. Secondly by saying that he should imploy the geniused logic that it is conding suicide and encouraging Aboriginals to kill themselves.

Note the sarcasm, it must have been a proud day for you Kingtek when you graduated into the PC police brigade.

If you feel strongly about something then regardless of the scenario it shouldn't matter.
However your comments are funny, coming from someone who values life cheaply...

Yep, I'm a keyboard hero, it's the only thing really that keeps me from topping myself. Now take a hint and go play in the kiddies bar.
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=2857231&postcount=90

I assume you have never lost anyone close to suicide and I pray that you never do. No one deserves to have that happen to a loved one.

 

[salivor]

So what should should Thurston have said? Perhaps he should've re-phrased it "I feel depressed", oops but no you can't say that Johnny boy because the PC police will have to fine you. Thurston should've realised that he is a hero to teenage males right around the country and depression is a huge issue amongst males of that age. Thank christ he didn't say that......oops now look what I've done, I've just gone and taken the lords name in vein, I should've realised that a large proportion of the country deem themselves to be Christian and since they view Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour it is very offensive.

 

[Kingytek]

How many other players have said they wanted to end their life because of a result of football game?

 

[salivor]

Relevance? There is none you sensitive little petal. What about the Port Adelaide coach who after the GF a couple of years back used his tie as if it was a noose to imitate being hung? Should we go and crucify him too? Oh damn, there I go offending Christians again, holy cow what is wrong with me....woopsy daisy I just offended Hindu's, I'll stop now before I offend anyone else of course I can continue if anyone out there is offended by me not offending them.

 

[Kingytek]

Haha, your funny

 

[salivor]

Jerry Seinfield funny.

 

[Kingytek]

Not quite

 

[salivor]

Yeah, your right, Jerry isn't really that funny these days, I can do better than that.

 

[LeagueLegend]

Jerry Seinfield funny.

Careful where you're going there Salivor, remember Jerry is Jewish so you won't want to offend them too like you have the others.

 

[salivor]

What's the difference between a Catholic wife and a Jewish wife?
The Cath........oops, there I go again, you're right I better stop now.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Over the years we have had some great grand finals and great grand finalists. They focus all year on one thing and that is to lift the trophy at the end of it all. Now, falling at the final hurdle has caused some people to say some pretty stupid things after the Grand Final loss.
For mine the worst would had to have been when J Thurston after last years grand final said he felt like hanging himself.
He knows young aborginals look up to him because of his status in the aboriginal and rugby league communities and the fact is that aboriginal suicides are through the roof in australia and he goes and says this. What a stupid thing to say!!!!


What has been said this year and previous years?

so, by your logic, when a F1 racer wins a race, before crackin that bottle of bubbly he should be warey that recovering alcoholics are sitting at home getting horny over the thought of alcohol and might cruise on down to the pub?

im sure thurston if he could would choose a different set of words but its hardly a case to crucify him, and going by your thread title how does it make him a 'sore loser' - would you rather him say 'oh f**k this is a great feeling, just lost the grand final, couldnt be happier'

 

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[Kingytek]

so, by your logic, when a F1 racer wins a race, before crackin that bottle of bubbly he should be warey that recovering alcoholics are sitting at home getting horny over the thought of alcohol and might cruise on down to the pub?

im sure thurston if he could would choose a different set of words but its hardly a case to crucify him, and going by your thread title how does it make him a 'sore loser' - would you rather him say 'oh f**k this is a great feeling, just lost the grand final, couldnt be happier'

Im not crucifying him. Just saying he was an idiot for saying it. The thread was supposed to be about things players\coaches say in the heat of the moment after losing a Grand Final but it was taken in a totally different direction from salivor. You can make other scenarios up about F1 drivers and AFL coaches etc but my point was this Aboriginal kids look up to him, there is a high rate or Aboriginal Youth suicide and he said something he shouldn't have said.
Also, you can say "would you rather him say 'oh f**k this is a great feeling" but the point is every year there is 17 players plus coaching staff that have to deal with the loss but they dont make refferences to suicide or death. Hoffman just hung his head and cried like many other players in the past have done so. In the end there was just no need to say what he said.
Thats the last I'll say about it because it's not what this thread was supposed to be about. If others dont have anything they wish to add about other players\coaches from previous years then let it sink to the bottem of LU Ocean and let it be.

 

[Hutty1986]

Relevance? There is none you sensitive little petal. What about the Port Adelaide coach who after the GF a couple of years back used his tie as if it was a noose to imitate being hung? Should we go and crucify him too? Oh damn, there I go offending Christians again, holy cow what is wrong with me....woopsy daisy I just offended Hindu's, I'll stop now before I offend anyone else of course I can continue if anyone out there is offended by me not offending them.

Mate I think he did that as a bit of a F-You to those who claimed his side were 'chokers'.. He did it just before full time in that GF to opposition fans

 

[Big Pete]

Still Hutty it could be seen as a hanging gesture.

Thing is though, Thurston wasn't saying it out of taking away from the Tigers victory but tried describing how he felt. Sure he should've chosen better words but in the heat of the moment it's a bit hard to think before you speak.

 

[salivor]

Mate I think he did that as a bit of a F-You to those who claimed his side were 'chokers'.. He did it just before full time in that GF to opposition fans

Yep I'm quite aware of what he meant and why he did it but it's the exaclty the same situation as Thurston. Thurston didn't actually mean he wanted to commit suicide and he wasn't condoning it, it was just an expression that people use every day to describe how he was feeling that our resident precious petal wants to read way too much into. Same with the Port Adelaide coach, he was just doing it into response to opposition fans re Port Adelaides tag as chokers, he wasn't trying to mock suicide or condone it. Kingtek's comments is just pure PC gone made.