speaking to Bob Lindner regarding parra.......

[GAME FIRST]

Doing some work at the Christies centre at Bankstown where just up the road is the Bankstown Hospital-where our very own Bobby Lindner manages the Optomotrist- walks past regularly to the Hungry Jacks-next to where i do some work -anyway one day after generally greeting the man a few times- extended the hello to a good conversation of 5 minutes regarding parra etc.

We got to the topic of Brian Smith-at least i did- and wanted his opinion and what i got just reinforced that which i knew and everyone here will though be interested.

Bob coached the Reserves for the magpies for a couple of years until infighting last year made him leave- wests v tigers factin-all political and he was sick of it and fustrated left the coaching and concentrated on his own Optomotry.

Having coached a few parra lads in his sides over the couple of years he was at the maggies, got very negative feedback on Smithys coaching attitude and ego--here is an example- parra won a game by 40 odd points and Smithy went around the dressing room and asked or more like challenged each and every player according to Lindner- and asked them why he should choose them for next weeks line-up as if to say are you good enough for next week?

He and i thought that was strange - must be true as ex eels told him the story-when they were playing in his reserve grade side .

Anyway, i then asked him of his opinion on Smithy as a coach and he for all my honesty clearly said he is too sceintific for footy and that he plays too many mind games with players to try and make them play better- and finally he also stated that he must have a problem as nonone seems to like his approach though they respect his technical know how- they do not enjoy their footy and its too much like business to some players.

And that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth-so help me god!!

 

[COACH STERLING]

Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. If a player or coach leave the parra lower grade teams, it means they weren't good enough to cut the mustard. Maybe Lidner couldn't quite crack it as a coach either and had other ideas to Brian Smith.
How's Kimmorly lookin? Any news on that trainer you know?

 

[fish eel]

Wests were generally rubbish when Lindner was there.

So if we had any discards playing there, and being coached by Bobby in reserves, gee.....they must have been real quality!

 

[Misty Bee]

Yeh, shoot the messenger and not the message. Smith, after all, is untouchable, isn't he!

...Smithy went around the dressing room and asked or more like challenged each and every player according to Lindner- and asked them why he should choose them for next weeks line-up ....

Jeez, Daniel Wagon must have had some good answers!

 

[Eelementary]

So what you're saying is that just because you thrash a team by 40 points one week, everyone in that team is safe for the next week?

That is not the case at all. For example, Graham (although not 100% fit and confident yet) was part of the team that trounced Manly (I think). But if you look at his stats, his work-rate was low.

Do you automatically keep him because the team perfromed well? Not necessarily.


On the whole coach issue - they must have a point. If the coach doesn't play both Witt and Thorman on the weekend to increase our attacking potential, then he must really have lost it.

I mean, I honestly think that against Melbourne our defense was generally strong, apart from a few lapses here and there and a few freak tries.

Where we had trouble was putting on points. And it's been that way for a few weeks now.

But he will probably put Wagon in the 6, Muspratt in the 9 and Hopkins in the 13. Essentially leaving us with only one play-maker.

 

[Eelectrica]

Whilst I agree that we should run with a new head coach next year Bob Lidner ain't my first choice as replacment.

parra won a game by 40 odd points and Smithy went around the dressing room and asked or more like challenged each and every player according to Lindner- and asked them why he should choose them for next weeks line-up as if to say are you good enough for next week?

I don't see any problem with this. Actually it provides positive re-inforcement for the players. Getting the players to say they are doing one particular thing well and should be picked in first grade because of it is exactly the right thing to do.

Anyway, i then asked him of his opinion on Smithy as a coach and he for all my honesty clearly said he is too sceintific for footy and that he plays too many mind games with players to try and make them play better- and finally he also stated that he must have a problem as nonone seems to like his approach though they respect his technical know how- they do not enjoy their footy and its too much like business to some players

Again nothing damning here. Some of the most successful coaches in the NFL use the exact same methods. Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, Jon Gruden, All these coaches have won Super Bowls using these methods.
Brian Smith for all his faults has coached three Grand finals, how many has Lindner coached again?

 

[GAME FIRST]

A coach will take a team further for a longer period if his players enjoy their footy- Dykes, P J Marsh, J Smith and A Raper all privately say Smithy is too tense and non-logical as well as very scientific!

That may have won NFL coaches some superbowls but this is Australia and our footy is more instinctive and free than the structured American game! simple .!!

Also Smithy has not proven to a WINNER although making 3 grand finals- 2 of those GFs were thrashings by the way and the other was a Renouf try which cost Saints but Brisbane did look a lot more likely in that match although saints tried so hard to hold their guns!

In 20 years of trying Smithy is still going downhill- when really our side should be growing like the Panthers,Bulldogs and Roosters- we are virtually saying we fluked 2001 AND IT WAS A ONE OFF!!!

 

[Stagger eel]

I don't think there's a coach in history who has 100% track racord on a decent player/coach relationship!

even the great ET had problems with John Lang

Geyer with Gould!

McCrackon with Anderson!

Hodges with Bennett

Hodges with Stuart

and those coach's mentioned are premiership winning coach's

whats ya point?

 

[BD5733]

Thats the biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

Unlike your other ridiculous posts, I've never really been in a position to tell if what you wrote was absolutely ficticious as I suspected.

But now I finally can.

I look forward to your next STORY.

Try to incorporate aliens that have been studying Smith from a far away galaxy and discovered he really was a.............(I'm sure you can come up with the rest GF)

 

[Eelectrica]

A coach will take a team further for a longer period if his players enjoy their footy- Dykes, P J Marsh, J Smith and A Raper all privately say Smithy is too tense and non-logical as well as very scientific!

Do they now. Less than one percent of the players Smith has ever coached. Plenty of players will say they have learnt a lot from Smith.

That may have won NFL coaches some superbowls but this is Australia and our footy is more instinctive and free than the structured American game! simple .!!

Coaching is coaching dude. Some players react differently to different methodoligies. It's up to the coach to find players that fit his style

Also Smithy has not proven to a WINNER although making 3 grand finals- 2 of those GFs were thrashings by the way and the other was a Renouf try which cost Saints but Brisbane did look a lot more likely in that match although saints tried so hard to hold their guns!

We did WIN the minor premiership and with that the JJ Giltinan shield in 2001. Also I wouldn't call a final score of 30-24 and in possession of the ball in the final set a thrashing

In 20 years of trying Smithy is still going downhill- when really our side should be growing like the Panthers,Bulldogs and Roosters- we are virtually saying we fluked 2001 AND IT WAS A ONE OFF!!!

If you had have said 3 years of coaching he was going down hill I would have agreed with you. In 20 years of coaching Smith has had his ups and downs. Right now is definatly a down. It looks like Smith will be staying on next year, so next year might be an up...

 

[Stagger eel]

Hey GF!!

Are you any relation the woman who wrote "Forbidden love"?

just wondering, thats all :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Utey]

Eelectrica

 

[thedux]

So from the sounds of it, Lindner must know what the secret to successful coaching is. The same Bob Lindner that went from an international to a bum under John Monie.....must have been the coach's fault!!!!

 

[fish eel]

The same Bob Lindner that went from an international to a bum under John Monie.....must have been the coach's fault!!!!

The same Bob Lindner who destroyed some teams on his day, and could then destroy his own the following week by going awol, and then star for qld.

 

[planeteels]

funny that Bobby Lidner says that he coached LOWER GRADE players that were formerly Eels coached by Smith..

Makes me think Smith is probably right to ask the Questions.. considering those players who were asked, ended up at Wests.... #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

 

[CrazyEel]

For example, Graham (although not 100% fit and confident yet) was part of the team that trounced Manly (I think). But if you look at his stats, his work-rate was low.

Do you automatically keep him because the team perfromed well? Not necessarily.

LOL, understand and agree with your point but maybe Graham was a bad example to use as in this case the answer was obviously yes. :lol: :lol:

 

[strider]

OK - I am a bit sus of this storey....

Linder coached Wests lower grade.....so we are to believe that players he coached were in a game that Brian Smith coached at Parramatta?...Brian Smith coaches first grade....who left Parra's top grade team to play in Wests reggies?.....and the story is that there are playerS - ie more than one (because of course one person with a grudge has no credibility).

And this would have to have happened recently I assume - no one had a problem with Smithy until about 2002 - he was still super coach until about mid-2002.....apparently he turned evil some time that season.

And thirdly - which frickin game did we win by 40 in recent history :lol:

I honestly don't know how Brian Smith deals with players - I have never been coached by him....he has never been my boss....I know I haven't always seen eye to eye with every boss I have had.

Lastly, as has already been said....so what if Brian did actually do that....he's the coach, he's in charge.

 

[Suitman]

And thirdly - which frickin game did we win by 40 in recent history :lol:

Sea Eagles about 5 weeks ago.

Suity

 

[strider]

And thirdly - which frickin game did we win by 40 in recent history :lol:

Sea Eagles about 5 weeks ago.

Suity

Oh OK....and that must be the game that Bob Lindner was talking about eh - cos we have lost so many players to Wests reserve grade since then.

 

[Suitman]

And thirdly - which frickin game did we win by 40 in recent history :lol:

Sea Eagles about 5 weeks ago.

Suity

Oh OK....and that must be the game that Bob Lindner was talking about eh - cos we have lost so many players to Wests reserve grade since then.

I didn't say that.

You asked a question and I answered it.

Suity