St. Helens will defeat Brisbane by how many points?

[Geohood]

256



minus 56

That'd be 200 mate. :?

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

Maybe someone could be so kind as to posting a likely Saints team.

Paul Wellens

Ade Gardner Willie Talau Matt Gidley, Francis Meli

Leon Pryce
Sean Long

Paul Sculthorpe
Lee Gilmour, John Wilkin
Jayson Cayless, Keiron Cunningham, Nick Fozzard

Bench: James Roby, Maurie Faa'asavalu, James Graham,

I am missing one prop for the bench, to replace Paul Anderson who retired after the 2006 Grand Final.

Their starting props are big tough men, who will relish Brisbane without Webcke. But veteran hooker Keiron Cunningham, and his bench replacement James Roby (who carved up Australia form dummy half), along with scrum half Sean Long (architect of Great Britain's defeat of Australia in Sydney), will be the danger men for the Broncos.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

For those spring chickens here, it should be emphasised that the St Helens lock and captain, Paul Sculthorpe, would have been lock and captain for Great Britain had he not been injured half way through 2006. "Scully" will be keen to make his comback and put his personal stamp on the game. He is an excellent player.

St. Helens boasts, in terms of past experience, ten (10) Great Britain Test players, three (3) New Zealand Test players, one (1) Australian Test player and one (1) Samoan dual international -- RU and RL.

This is a formidable side.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

10 Things You Might Not Know About the Saints...

1. St Helens RFC was founded in 1873, and moved to their current ground at Knowsley Road in 1890. They were founder members of the breakaway Northern Union in 1895, from which the 13-a-side game we know today evolved.
2. Saints played in the first Rugby League Challenge Cup Final in 1897. Since then, they have played in 18 Finals, lifting the famous trophy on 10 occasions. Their most recent success was in 2006, when they beat Hull 26-4 at Old Trafford, in front of 72,582 fans.
3. Saints’ mascot is St Bernard, who once appeared on BBC’s Newsnight programme.
4. Saints’ famous fans include comedians Johnny Vegas and Ricky Tomlinson, and current World Darts Champion Phil ‘The Power’ Taylor.
5. In 2005, Saints – renowned as the ‘Entertainers’ - were the most-televised team in rugby league, appearing before the Sky cameras on 19 occasions, and live twice on BBC TV.
6. The recognisable ‘red vee’ strip actually only first appeared in 1961, for the Challenge Cup Final against Wigan. They won 12-6, and the kit has since become synonymous with the Saints.
7. Some of rugby league’s most famous names have played for St Helens, including Tom van Vollenhoven, Vinty Karalius, Ray French, Alex Murphy, Kel Coslett, Mal Meninga, Alan Hunte, Paul Newlove and Chris Joynt.
8. Current Great Britain captain Paul Sculthorpe is joined by club team-mates Sean Long, Keiron Cunningham, Paul Wellens, Lee Gilmour, Jon Wilkin, Leon Pryce, James Roby, James Graham, and Nick Fozzard in the international set-up.
9. In 2005 Saints achieved their highest average attendance in nearly 40 years, welcoming 10,979 fans to every game at Knowsley Road.
10. The Saints-led annual Merseyside Tag Rugby Festival for Year 6 schoolchildren (aged 10-11), involves over 40 Liverpool primary schools and more than 1200 schoolchildren.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

Competition: Grand Final
Date: 14 October 2006
Result: Saints 26-4 Hull FC
Attendance: 72582

 

[Sea Eagle Scuba]

*yawn*

I expect St Helens to win this one, but should it be played under a little fairer conditions, it would be a lot more competitive.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

I expect St Helens to win this one, but should it be played under a little fairer conditions, it would be a lot more competitive.

It could have been played in Australia. That was the original plan. But ARL CEO Geoff Carr didn't think he could attract a good crowd. In fact he didn't have the energy to arrange it. This is because he had worked an eight hour day and a five day week during the entire Tri Nations period, and needed an eight week holiday afterwards to get over it. That meant he didn't have enough time to organise the WCC. So the English agreed to take on the task.

 

[Notell]

The smart money in England is giving Brisbane 11 points start against St. Helens. The feeling is that the replacement of Jamie Lyon by Matt Gidley will cost St Helens 10-15 points, and therefore prevent the 25 point hammering of Brisbane that Sean Long had bet on and Keiron Cunningham was hoping for. St Helens want to repeat their victory over the Broncos of February 2001, when Paul Newlove stepped inside Sailor and raced downfield to set up the winning try by Chris Joynt. They also want to avenge the humiliating loss they suffered at the hands of Brad Fittler's Roosters in February 2004.

I met Newlove and Joynt at a party in Leeds after the Kiwis' Tri Nations 24-0 victory over Australia in November 2005. They had a good laugh about the Broncos, described Wendell Sailor as a "big sheila," and wished they were still playing so that they could do it all to Brisbane again.

Do people agree that Gidley is a 10-15 point worse player than Lyon?

You're on the money. A game of footy is a game of footy. The XIII (or XVII) representing Australia should be able to beat the English premiers no matter what the adverse conditions are if we are so superior to them. If the NRL is so many streets ahead of the Pommie comp, why are we always losing? In internationals, Australia are always expected to smash the competition, but recent defeats and close shaves belie the overwhelming favouritism and patronizing attitudes.
The NRL and Australian footy is not so far ahead of the rest as is commonly believed. Furthermore, we should take pride in representing Australia in the WCC, added to the pride the players should feel in representing their club. Making excuses after losses does not wash, nor does making excuses before the inevitable loss, as is happening now.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

Saints Challenge Cup victory over Huddersfield:

Jon Wilkin was the hero for Saints, scoring two tries despite the fact he suffered a broken nose in the first half.

Leon Pryce shows Brad Drew a clean pair of heels as the former Bradford Bull claims his first piece of silverware since making the move to St Helens.

Saints fans celebrate following their side's 42-12 win at Twickenham.

Coach Daniel Anderson and captain Paul Sculthorpe hold the trophy aloft as Saints celebrate their fifth Challenge Cup victory in 11 years.

 

[Sea Eagle Scuba]

It could have been played in Australia. That was the original plan. But ARL CEO Geoff Carr didn't think he could attract a good crowd. In fact he didn't have the energy to arrange it. This is because he had worked an eight hour day and a five day week during the entire Tri Nations period, and needed an eight week holiday afterwards to get over it. That meant he didn't have enough time to organise the WCC. So the English agreed to take on the task.

I just suspect it'd be a completely different result if it'd to be played at Suncorp in front of a full house.

 

[Misty Bee]

It should have been, but Brisbane dicked around for so long about players holidays that it ended up being played in the UK.

Now, if Suncorp is suddenly the only ground in Australia to draw crowds to internationals, how come no Sydney club has evern knocked back the chance to host it?

 

[OVP]

10 Things You Might Not Know About the Saints...

1. St Helens RFC was founded in 1873, and moved to their current ground at Knowsley Road in 1890. They were founder members of the breakaway Northern Union in 1895, from which the 13-a-side game we know today evolved.
2. Saints played in the first Rugby League Challenge Cup Final in 1897. Since then, they have played in 18 Finals, lifting the famous trophy on 10 occasions. Their most recent success was in 2006, when they beat Hull 26-4 at Old Trafford, in front of 72,582 fans.
3. Saints’ mascot is St Bernard, who once appeared on BBC’s Newsnight programme.
4. Saints’ famous fans include comedians Johnny Vegas and Ricky Tomlinson, and current World Darts Champion Phil ‘The Power’ Taylor.
5. In 2005, Saints – renowned as the ‘Entertainers’ - were the most-televised team in rugby league, appearing before the Sky cameras on 19 occasions, and live twice on BBC TV.
6. The recognisable ‘red vee’ strip actually only first appeared in 1961, for the Challenge Cup Final against Wigan. They won 12-6, and the kit has since become synonymous with the Saints.
7. Some of rugby league’s most famous names have played for St Helens, including Tom van Vollenhoven, Vinty Karalius, Ray French, Alex Murphy, Kel Coslett, Mal Meninga, Alan Hunte, Paul Newlove and Chris Joynt.
8. Current Great Britain captain Paul Sculthorpe is joined by club team-mates Sean Long, Keiron Cunningham, Paul Wellens, Lee Gilmour, Jon Wilkin, Leon Pryce, James Roby, James Graham, and Nick Fozzard in the international set-up.
9. In 2005 Saints achieved their highest average attendance in nearly 40 years, welcoming 10,979 fans to every game at Knowsley Road.
10. The Saints-led annual Merseyside Tag Rugby Festival for Year 6 schoolchildren (aged 10-11), involves over 40 Liverpool primary schools and more than 1200 schoolchildren.

Another two things you dont know about "The Saints" is that the Roosters won the ARL Grand Final in 1975 by 38-0(A record that still stands to this day), and then beat St Helens by 40-2 in the corresponding WCC match the following year. A 38 point difference.

The next time Easts and St Helens met, Easts beat them by 38-0 as well, in 2003.

Quite bizarre isnt it ?

 

[The Electric Horseman]

Saints by 18

 

[ali]

Actually it proves Phil Gould 100% spot on. Considering he was the Roosters' coaching director in 2003 when you lot copped an almighty hammering. Considering the fact the Roosters were really the only Aussie team in the WCC's history to take it seriously, i do believe 38-0 is a true reflection of the talent between the two comps.

Are you Gus. This is one of the most stupid posts I've ever read on here. Anyone with half a memmory or who cared to do their research would remember that St Helens were widely criticised for not preparing properly for this match. I believe their only warm up match was a cross code exhibition match against Sale Union club. Their fans expected the worst and they got it.

So it works both ways. Almost every Aussie club that has gone over there recently has made the right noises about taking the game seriously. Brisbane will have played a warm up game and should be well acclimatised. The only advantage to Saints will be the home ground, the conditions and the fact they can spend more on players. That for mine is the real reason the pommie clubs are winning. Throw half the current British Lions and 3 or 4 imports (who would be rated in the top 50 or so players in the NRL if they played there) and of course you have a good side.

 

[lockyno1]

As long as our players are fine after the game I really don't mind what happens. Hopefully it is close, but it is nothing more than a glorified trial game!

 

[innsaneink]

Was a good experience, even though it wasnt the best result, meeting mates at Wests Leagues for bacon eggs & toast at 7am one January morning, then sitting back to watch our boys play on the otherside of the world, different, unique, wont forget it in a hurry.

 

[Coaster]

I think people forget how experienced this Bronco side is when talking about international players.

1. Hunt International
2. Topou International
3. Hodges International
4. Berrigan International
5. Tate International
6. Lockyer International Captain
7. ?
8. Thorn Duel International
9. Ennis
10 Petro International
11 Carlaw International
12 Thaiday International
13 Carroll Duel International

Apart from hooker and Halfback, 2 important positions ill agree, they are star studded

 

[lockyno1]

Doubt ennis will start, berrigan will be at 9. Tate and Hoges will be the centres. Boyd will be on one wing and Toupou the other.

 

[Coaster]

• Saints’ famous fans include comedians Johnny Vegas and Ricky Tomlinson, and current World Darts Champion Phil ‘The Power’ Taylor.

Ok who are these people? Taylor is that fat twat that plays poker isnt he? There is a world championship of darts?

• Some of rugby league’s most famous names have played for St Helens, including Tom van Vollenhoven, Vinty Karalius, Ray French, Alex Murphy, Kel Coslett, Alan Hunte, Paul Newlove and Chris Joynt.

Who??

 

[The Clan]

I just suspect it'd be a completely different result if it'd to be played at Suncorp in front of a full house.

Just as it was when Wigan came to Brisbane and er....won