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Steve Price for coach??

ForestDragon

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I'd rather be a young up and coming team relying on youth and potential next season, than an old boring mediocre (at best) team.

Time for the broom and the garbage bin................its spring cleaning time! No one should be safe, the clean out needs to start at the top.

Agreed ,time to begin afresh.
 

Mr Red

First Grade
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It's easy to blame the coach. We simply don't have the cattle, especially when Beau, Coops etc. are only good for celebrity appearances.

Nathan Green isn't close to a first grader.

We are being made pay for poor recruitment. Those who bag Hornby should ask themselves, who is
pressuring his place in the team? We have huge depth in a few positions, and none in others.
Doust is the common denominator here.

Goes both ways... The coach is directly responsible for recruitment and building the squad so if we don't have the cattle it's due to his strategy regarding where he ses a need for recruitment.. I doubt price is being over ruled by doust in recruitment discussions.. As you say we have too much depth in some positions and not enough in others... This is a direct result of price having too much faith in players like Fien and Hornby when they simply aren't up to it..
 

Mr Red

First Grade
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IMO it's not all Prices fault.

There are two types of success in Rugby League. You can build an empire from the ground up, like Bellamy has....or you can buy instant success.

We chose the latter four years ago. Bought an existing high profile coach, and a few key big names.
It was never going to last. Our title in 2010 was a result of cold, hired hands.

People bagging Price about losing what Bennett built, need to realise it was never anything to begin with.

What dribble...
Irrespective of recruitment by Bennett he produced a team that played consistent mistake free football with a sound game plan that allowed the team to play towards their strengths.... Solid defense, attack that was simplistic yet effective and with everyone in the team knowing their role and responsibility on the field.
Bennett knew how to get the best out of the players such as soward, prior, hunt, creagh, Scott (none of which he recruited by the way) these same players under price are failing as a result of poor game plans and poor people management.

Call Bennett a hired gun if you want.. In 3 years apart from the success he delivered on the field he also fixed 6 years of brown ineptness and put foundations in place for price to build on if only price recruited strategically and didn't deliberately choose to tear down the foundations because he didn't want to be seen as a Bennett clone...

Personally to be seen as a Bennett clone would be a good thing IMO ...
 

possm

Coach
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What is needed is a clean out but more importantly what is urgently needed is a coach who can get the best out of the players we have for 2013 (youngsters and older players alike).

First up, the Dragons need a leader on the field who is quick to recognise opportunities and changing situations. Hornby has failed on this front for ages, even during the Bennett days. Last night there was a prime example, when he had all his team back 30m for a penalty kick and the Tigers just ran the 30m, got on a roll and later scored a try. In a few prvious games, Hornby failed to have Soward take a field goal attempt early in a tackle count which if successful, could have led us to win the game or go into extra time. These decisions were made even though the Dragons were in field position to do so. The result being the play breaking down - drooped ball, knock-on, player trapped in possession and the opportunity lost. I have never thought of Hornby as a Captain with a brilliant mind or one who reads a game well (like Thurston or Benji or DCE or Pearce or Carney ...)

Secondly, Soward is clearly playing without confidence. I am sure he wishes for a replacement coach. This situation, if not address in the near future, may result in us losing him to an English club next year or for 2014. And I am of the opinion that it's not only Soward who is down in confidence, it seems most of the team are also feeling the same.

I think it important to ask the question: What is in the best interest of the Club, the team and most importantly the members and the fans?

In my opinion it is to provide members and fans with a sense of pride and confidence in our Club.
To be confident the players in the team are doing their best each week.
To be confident the coaching and recruitment staff are up to the challenge.
I think all of us would like to be assured that the Club and our team is being run in a highly professional manner.

I am sure we expect our elected officials, hired administrators and appointed coaching staff to demonstrate an ability to provide the financial resorces, recruitment prowess and coaching skills to keep this great club competitive and placed within the top 8 each year.

Frankley, it is not good enough to knowingly and purposely write off two years of assperations of success purely because Doust had not done enough to provide the necessary funds or because Craig Young fell shor and fail to identify suitable players for recruitment or because Price selfishly and recklessly experimented with a coaching plan that was doomed to fail and produced the results we have today.

Really, it's not good enough and it is esspecially not good enough for a proud club such as the Dragons.

It's time to make the hard decisions; the board should immediately sack Doust, Price and Craig Young and replace them with compitant officials such as Carr, Coyne and the best coach available for next year.
 
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gypsy

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What dribble...
Irrespective of recruitment by Bennett he produced a team that played consistent mistake free football with a sound game plan that allowed the team to play towards their strengths.... Solid defense, attack that was simplistic yet effective and with everyone in the team knowing their role and responsibility on the field.
Bennett knew how to get the best out of the players such as soward, prior, hunt, creagh, Scott (none of which he recruited by the way) these same players under price are failing as a result of poor game plans and poor people management.

Call Bennett a hired gun if you want.. In 3 years apart from the success he delivered on the field he also fixed 6 years of brown ineptness and put foundations in place for price to build on if only price recruited strategically and didn't deliberately choose to tear down the foundations because he didn't want to be seen as a Bennett clone...

Personally to be seen as a Bennett clone would be a good thing IMO ...

Now THAT is dribble :lol:.

Bennett inherited a high quality team, which he added to with Costigan, Boyd, Smith etc.
Attack that was simplistic? We had one play. Game plan? Please......that suggests it is capable of change. We had one gear, score a handful of points and hope we can hang on.

Bennett done nothing for us long term. That's obvious. As I said, their are two types of success....overnight bought success (which will only ever be short lasting), and building from the ground up (Earnt...built...long term). Bennett goes for one type, Bellamy goes for the other.

Even Bennett's latest effort in Newcastle, he has taken a top 8 side from last year, added purchased talent (Tahu, Snowden, Buderus, Boyd, Mason etc.) and they have had a rubbish year. But let's all talk about how great Bennett is....
 

Cagey Mac

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We can only hypothesise
IMO we have cash flow problems and took a chance on Price
He's proven not yet NRL standard and looks to be destructive to the club.
Worth a try but experiment failed.
Time to do the maths and cut losses
Pay him out, make Hornby assistant coach or something
Get a coach with some runs on the board but ffs not Folkes
Failing that put the Taj on us getting the spoon next year because we'll be unbackable by july 2013
 

Slippery Morris

First Grade
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Saints cant score points. Brad Arthur has taken over Parra and even he can get his team motivated and score more points than the Saints. If think Brad Arthur has better cattle than Saints your kidding yet he has them playing much better. They leaked 50 last week but were able to beat the Chooks and scored more than 2 tries against them when they had the full 13 on 13 on. Saints are just embarrassing to watch.
 

redvforlife

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I've defended Price all year. Can't do it anymore after last night.

At least the pain will end soon and won't drag into September. there's my positive for the night.
 

hermidale1

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Everyone keeps saying that Price shouldn't have changed the Wayne Bennett structure and stamp his own coaching style on things. But if anyone here had actually ever listened to Wayne Bennett speaking, one thing he always says when speaking to coaches and it is even written in one of his books somewhere is,"Don't try to copy someone elses style of coaching." Obviously, Steve Price took this in and tried to change things slightly, but it hasn't been successful. Give him his second year and if it still not happening, then look at alternatives. The players need to be accountable at some stage of the season. They started playing garbage midway last year and it has continued into this year.
 
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Mr Red

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Now THAT is dribble :lol:.

Bennett inherited a high quality team, which he added to with Costigan, Boyd, Smith etc.
Attack that was simplistic? We had one play. Game plan? Please......that suggests it is capable of change. We had one gear, score a handful of points and hope we can hang on.

Bennett done nothing for us long term. That's obvious. As I said, their are two types of success....overnight bought success (which will only ever be short lasting), and building from the ground up (Earnt...built...long term). Bennett goes for one type, Bellamy goes for the other.

Even Bennett's latest effort in Newcastle, he has taken a top 8 side from last year, added purchased talent (Tahu, Snowden, Buderus, Boyd, Mason etc.) and they have had a rubbish year. But let's all talk about how great Bennett is....

ok let me get this straight.
your example of a short term, overnight bought success is Bennett... the coach who was at the broncos for 21 years and wanted 5 years at the dragons..

your example of a coach that is long term and wants to build success is Bellamy... the coach who wanted success so instantly that he cheated the salary cap....

and judging Bennett on less then 1 season at newcastle given the off field AND on field disaster that club was is just plain stupid...

that'll do me... you = clueless..
 
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- The funny thing is that we dont seem too far off the mark, but the amount of bad last passes/kicks/decisions just keeps on keeping on each week, you basically just expect it to happen, and anything else is a miracle.

Those were my thoughts exactly when watching the game the other night.

Under Bennett, there was an element of composure and determination about the side that made them easy to watch. It's been termed "Dragons Footy".

That feeling of assuredness has completely gone with Price as coach. It's been replaced by uncertainty and turbulence. Hornby, Creagh and Soward, 3 key members of the squad, haven't performed this year in the clinical way they have done for the past 3 seasons.

The only ones that can really claim they haven't gone backwards under Price would be Morris and Nightingale.
 

saint06

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Why dont we calm down for a sec.

Its impossible to be competitive every year - things go wrong, players fall in and out of form, things just dont click.

This season was bound to happen, its not Price's fault entirely. You cant blame him for trying a few things, it should have realsied his mistakes earlier and changed them back.

But, and its been said before, you lose rep players (not just numfty players) like Boyd, Smith, Costigan, Gaz you will suffer. It may not be next year, but it wont be long before we are back in the mix for with the top teams - we are never out of it for long, just need some patience. If Manly had sacked Des after his first year, they wouldnt have seen the success he brought them. Patience lads. Patience and lets hope the remainder of the season the passes stick and the boys have some fun.
 

Mr Red

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Those were my thoughts exactly when watching the game the other night.

Under Bennett, there was an element of composure and determination about the side that made them easy to watch. It's been termed "Dragons Footy".

That feeling of assuredness has completely gone with Price as coach. It's been replaced by uncertainty and turbulence. Hornby, Creagh and Soward, 3 key members of the squad, haven't performed this year in the clinical way they have done for the past 3 seasons.

The only ones that can really claim they haven't gone backwards under Price would be Morris and Nightingale.
i have lost count of the number of matches this season where i thought to myself.. "if only we had a half back that would grab this game by the throat"...
that lack of a halfback is really hurting the team.. its the missing piece of the puzzle.
 
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i have lost count of the number of matches this season where i thought to myself.. "if only we had a half back that would grab this game by the throat"...
that lack of a halfback is really hurting the team.. its the missing piece of the puzzle.

Fullback's the problem as well. BMoz said it in the post-match interview. And if he's saying it publicly, then what's being said in the dressing room?

And so far as just putting this season down to "having a bad year", then I look at sides who are above us on the ladder - Canberra, Titans, Tigers, Newcastle - they've also had "bad years" thus far, but us - well we're having a shocker.

And it ain't over yet unfortunately.....
 

Mr Red

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Fullback's the problem as well. BMoz said it in the post-match interview. And if he's saying it publicly, then what's being said in the dressing room?

And so far as just putting this season down to "having a bad year", then I look at sides who are above us on the ladder - Canberra, Titans, Tigers, Newcastle - they've also had "bad years" thus far, but us - well we're having a shocker.

And it ain't over yet unfortunately.....
good point re:fullback needed. and i think a ball playing back rower wouldnt hurt either to give us more second phase play.
looks like they have Beale earmarked as the solution for fullback... i havent seen him ball playing at all so i dont know if he can... but one thing for certain he is very shaky under the high ball at times..
and his current lack of involvement for the broncos is concerning.. its like he seems disinterested...
 

Puff

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It's easy to blame the coach. We simply don't have the cattle, especially when Beau, Coops etc. are only good for celebrity appearances.

Nathan Green isn't close to a first grader.

We are being made pay for poor recruitment. Those who bag Hornby should ask themselves, who is
pressuring his place in the team? We have huge depth in a few positions, and none in others.
Doust is the common denominator here.


Who is to blame for poor recruitment resulting in the lack of pressure on hornby.

Who is to blame for old legs.

Whilst I agree Doust is the common denominator, If i were a new coach I would be asking for backing, because if I dont get the wins, its me saying goodbye. Also, when quizzed about it Price suggested we arent chasing anyone because we had the cattle. Price is to blame as well IMO

OUST DOUST
LEAVE STEVE
 

Mr Red

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Who is to blame for poor recruitment resulting in the lack of pressure on hornby.

Who is to blame for old legs.

Whilst I agree Doust is the common denominator, If i were a new coach I would be asking for backing, because if I dont get the wins, its me saying goodbye. Also, when quizzed about it Price suggested we arent chasing anyone because we had the cattle. Price is to blame as well IMO

OUST DOUST
LEAVE STEVE

correct.
providing the club is financially secure and capable of spending the entire salary cap - given that the buck stops with the coach in terms of the playing roster.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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No point in persisting at all.

He's had 6 months to show he's got a future. All he's shown is the ability to create frustration.

f**k him off. Players have backwards under him.
 

jenninga

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No point in persisting at all.

He's had 6 months to show he's got a future. All he's shown is the ability to create frustration.

f**k him off. Players have backwards under him.
Agree, i have seen enough to say Price has bought nothing to the team.We still have premiership players who have declined in performances.And don't tell me it's a premiership hangover,why are Manly,Storm etc still strong.Each week i see Hornby throwing passes at decoy runners heads,forwards coughing up possesion,outmuscled.The mentally tough players we had are a group of shellshocked individuals.
Who is to blame,the coach.They have been playing without confidence all season.I have been reluctant all year to criticise Price ,but saturday night was the last straw.
 

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