Strange new Format thoughts

[paulmac]

get rid of the top8 playing other again and its a good format...

top8 straight to play offs

bottom4 v top4 P&R playoffs

bottom 8 divisional cup

would work very well imo

Agreed.No need for the top clubs to play another 7-9 games on top of the 23 regular season matches.So spud if Oldham don't win say Hemel Stags win champ1 do they get a spot in the second flight

 

[Wilson1]

It's going to be an absolute trainwreck, as was blatantly obvious from the minute that they announced that they would be 'reviewing' the league structure about 18 months ago.

What's your preferred competition structure?

 

[roughyedspud]

Agreed.No need for the top clubs to play another 7-9 games on top of the 23 regular season matches.So spud if Oldham don't win say Hemel Stags win champ1 do they get a spot in the second flight

i dunno?? i imagine theres gonna be some fairly tight criteria that champ1 clubs have to meet to go up..


trust me clubs at our level will just be pleased with having a viable 12-14 team comp at this point....

 

[CC_Roosters]

So one question I have is. Is the league champion of the championship considered to be before the split? So after 23 games say Halifax are top does that make them champions for that year or will the post split have an influence, though I would assume my first statment is correct.

Also for the top 8 do they play each other once and then top 2 go to old Trafford or something like that?

 

[biggestbroncosfan]

I don't pretend to know a lot about the SL or the lower tier Championships, but I would love to see sides from Scotland and Ireland included with the extra Welsh and French sides.

the RFL don't really take the Celtic Nations seriously, to be honest the best way forward for the would be to start there own semi pro Celtic Premiership with 2 teams from Scotland, Ireland and Wales a 6 team semi pro comp

Aberdeen, Glasgow or Edinburgh, Munster, Leinster, South Wales (Scorpions), North Wales Crusaders (Reserves).

South Wales should leave the Championship 1, North Wales would enter there own reserve team obviously this is going to take some time but in my opinion it would be better then for the Celtic Nations to join Super League, this Celtic League could be expanded on later but this would be a start for them to be taken seriously.

 

[roughyedspud]

shut up you tit...the RFL have put millions into developing the celtic nations....

So one question I have is. Is the league champion of the championship considered to be before the split? So after 23 games say Halifax are top does that make them champions for that year or will the post split have an influence, though I would assume my first statment is correct.

id imagine the champions of the championship would be decided by whoever finishes top after the regular season??? id hope so anyway....having playoffs and a grand final would be pointless..

Also for the top 8 do they play each other once and then top 2 go to old Trafford or something like that?

god knows...

i can't see why they'd split into the top 8..then play another 7 rounds..then have a 8 team play off series..thats just plain dumb..

maybe of they when they split into the top 8 they should be seeded into 2 groups of 4...then the winner of each group advances to the grand final??

that way everyone gets their extra home games and we don't get 7 wasted rounds..leading into the play offs

 

[roughyedspud]

here...this clears up loads of issue

 

[roughyedspud]

right....so the 3x8 split comes in at the end of the regular season...

top8 is the play offs.....as normal

bottom4 & top4.....is the P&R play offs....i
like that.

bottom 8......is kinda like the old divisional
premiership....kinda pointless but it gives the bottom 8 of the championship a end of season day out i suppose

i can live with that....

i got it right the first time....the above is whats happening

 

[roughyedspud]

im confused......again..


the RFL plan clearly states that after the 3X8 split each group will consist of 7 FIXTURES..

to me thats

1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5

then 2 semi finals & a grand final

thats 7 fixtures



so why then are league points being carried over into the "play offs" ????


doing my head in this..:lol:

 

[deluded pom?]

So our top players will still be playing more games than their counterparts in the NRL. Sometimes, less is more.

 

[Craigo]

You're right, you don't know a lot

Good to know you've got my back EH ;-)

 

[CC_Roosters]

im confused......again..


the RFL plan clearly states that after the 3X8 split each group will consist of 7 FIXTURES..

to me thats

1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5

then 2 semi finals & a grand final

thats 7 fixtures



so why then are league points being carried over into the "play offs" ????


doing my head in this..:lol:

I think it is worded badly, probably meant to be each team plays 7 fixtures given for the middle split it gives a four game home advantage to qualifying championship clubs.

23 regular games, 7 post split games to determine top 4, 2 semi finals and the GF. That's 32 games for the premier plus challenge cup say 2 or 3 on average for most super league sides. Currently its 27, 3 or 4 playoff games plus CC. So on balance its not too many more games whenyou compare it to a 14 team h&a league.

You could say the reduction in top tier teams will mean more quality games by default. Plus the threat of a bottom 4 finish will have teams edgy from game 1 and keep fans frightened to death half the season lol. I think this might be what the game needs, but it can only work if the financials are rebalanced so that the second tier gets an increase.

Once concern might be causing financial instability by relegating 2 to the championship one each season fro m the second tier. Some sort of parchute payment for relegated sides from both tiers will need to be considered.

 

[roughyedspud]

how all this is gonna be announced before the end of the month...

 

[roughyedspud]

and something i pointed out on TRL about the points being carried over into the "playoffs"..

last season hull kr finished 8th on 26pts....even if they won all 7 extra games they'll still have less points than what warrington & huddersfield finished the regular season on (41&42pts)....so its practically impossible for someone like hull kr from that position to make the grand final..

 

[The Showstopper]

It is at the very least an exciting new start to The English Rugby League. Even if it fails at least someone had a dig at changing the uneven mess that is the ESL. Loaning out players from the ESL and NRL who are not regular first team players, is vital to maintain the legitimacy of the competitions. The NRL should consider a similar proposal. Rugby Leagues biggest problem has always been it is very short sighted about major change. This is a fantastic proposal. Relegation/promotion adds a new dimension to any competition. The teams in the second tier can dream of promotion to the ESL which was never an option before.

 

[CC_Roosters]

It is at the very least an exciting new start to The English Rugby League. Even if it fails at least someone had a dig at changing the uneven mess that is the ESL. Loaning out players from the ESL and NRL who are not regular first team players, is vital to maintain the legitimacy of the competitions. The NRL should consider a similar proposal. Rugby Leagues biggest problem has always been it is very short sighted about major change. This is a fantastic proposal. Relegation/promotion adds a new dimension to any competition. The teams in the second tier can dream of promotion to the ESL which was never an option before.

It was always an option until the licensing system started in 2008 from memory

 

[deluded pom?]

and something i pointed out on TRL about the points being carried over into the "playoffs"..

last season hull kr finished 8th on 26pts....even if they won all 7 extra games they'll still have less points than what warrington & huddersfield finished the regular season on (41&42pts)....so its practically impossible for someone like hull kr from that position to make the grand final..

Am I reading this wrongly 'spud? I thought it was a home and away regular season plus one Magic weekend fixture then straight to an eight team playoff consisting of 4 qfs 2 semis and the GF. I.e. an extra 3 games for the Grand Finalists not an extra 7 games for all teams. I'm still confused about what happens in the middle eight after the split happens.

 

[roughyedspud]

Am I reading this wrongly 'spud? I thought it was a home and away regular season plus one Magic weekend fixture then straight to an eight team playoff consisting of 4 qfs 2 semis and the GF. I.e. an extra 3 games for the Grand Finalists not an extra 7 games for all teams. I'm still confused about what happens in the middle eight after the split happens.

its a mess.....and its all down to the wording in the RFL document..

7 fixtures like is says means to me,like you say...4qf,2semis & a final

 

[CC_Roosters]

its a mess.....and its all down to the wording in the RFL document..

7 fixtures like is says means to me,like you say...4qf,2semis & a final

Does not reflect well that they cannot even get the wording of the structure clear and concise for what is a important time for the game

 

[Bovrick]

its a mess.....and its all down to the wording in the RFL document..

7 fixtures like is says means to me,like you say...4qf,2semis & a final

Seemed pretty clear to me.

Regular Season: H&A gives 22 games in each League (plus Magic Weekend).
Play Off Groups*: Play each team once. 4 home games for the most successful teams in each group (1-4 SL1, 1-4SL2 and 5-8SL2).

In the 1st and 3rd group, points carry over from the regular season (as the teams in these groups have been playing each other already), and after the 7 extra rounds you get the final table.

In the P/R group, as the teams come from different leagues, the table starts again. Top 3 automatically qualify for SL1 next year, bottom 3 SL2

Semi Finals: 1v4 and 2v3 in Groups One and Three
Promotion Final: 4v5 from the middle group play to determine the last team to make it into SL1

Finals for Groups 1 and 3.


*poor choice of words, I agree