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Stuart slams 'whinging' coaches

Dan70

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What are the teams who don't have 9 origin players to play 23 games per year? Whats about the Bunnies, Canberra, Tigers. I bet they would love to have 9 origin players out.

If you have origin players stiff sh*t!

This is exactly NOT the point!! The difference in getting or not getting 9 rep players is in the clubs control (recruiting and development), whereas losing players to Origin is out of a clubs control.

The salary cap should be the method used to even the comp, which punishers the clubs who aren't run as efficiently, not origin selections which punish the clubs who are!!
 

Bman26

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Storm still had alot of experience and quality across the paddock in the side they fielded, granted the dragons had more up front, but by all rights, the game should have been alot closer than it was.

LOL?

There was something like 11 games between 4 members of the backline
 

Johnny Bravo

Juniors
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LOL?

There was something like 11 games between 4 members of the backline
Yet the average age of the Dragons backline was younger.
Yet the Storm still had more representative players lining up in their side. (Lima, Smith, Kaufusi, Cronk to Ryles, Stanley, Nightingale)
Yet the storm had an Australian halfback guiding around the side and a 250 game veteran on the wing for the 2nd half.

How many average games do you get between Rangi Chase, Chase Stanley, Jason Nightingale, Josh Morris and Brett Morris? I bet it wouldn't be over 15-20 per player.

Can you say that about the Storm backline?

Neither backline had a whole lot of experience there.

As I said, by all rights, St George should have beaten them, but the Storm had enough experience to put on a better performance than they did, making it a closer game. In particular the likes of Jeremy Smith, Turner and Lima let them down badly.
 

Gaba

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When you look at the Dragons, they get the Storm and Broncos minus rep
players...thats 4 points to them that they probably would have struggled top get.

Actually you are wrong about the Broncos , the dragons only had thier full strength team once against the broncos in the last 6/7 games they won in a row shows the broncos have difficultly in beating the dragons no matter what team the dragons have.

NO the dragons wouldnt struggle to get points from Brisbane



I dont think the dragons have ever faced an understrength Broncos team, and yet still manage to beat them easy when the dragons majority of time are understrength and Broncos are always at full strength
 

lotti

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I'm not putting them in the same boat as the storm. I'm putting them in the same boat as the Knights.

But if you compare both sides Dragons v Storm, and how instrumental each of their players are to the side. Even though the storm were missing 9 players and the dragons 3, that's not to say there was a mismatch of 6 players between the two sides.

Storm still had alot of experience and quality across the paddock in the side they fielded, granted the dragons had more up front, but by all rights, the game should have been alot closer than it was.
The Storm were also missing their head coach until the game, he's vital to the team's success there's a reason we keep on wanting him to extend his stint at the Storm and as Bellamy proved last night he's one of if not the best coaches in the game.
 

Gaba

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The Storm were also missing their head coach until the game, he's vital to the team's success there's a reason we keep on wanting him to extend his stint at the Storm and as Bellamy proved last night he's one of if not the best coaches in the game.


There is your answer there, would have been something wrong if Bellamy didnt know the weakness and strengths of the storm players ,there were 9 on the field.

So i dont think last night prove he is the best coach because he had most of his team on the field.

I am not saying he is a bad coach either
 

lotti

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but most of the team he was working with aren't Storm players only 3 were, ok one was an ex Storm player but Smith could've undid all of Craig's good work.
 

imasharkie

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LOL. Greg Bird and Paul f**king cat Gallen worth 9 Storm players. Jesus christ. But other than that I agree, stop bitching. Pity he's such a clueless prick

Cronulla beat the Storm in round 2 this year with both clubs at full strength.

Gallen and Bird were among the best players on the field in last nights SOO with Gallen high in the stats count.

Wonder what Bwaith thought of Birdie getting MOM.
 

imasharkie

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LOL. Greg Bird and Paul f**king cat Gallen worth 9 Storm players. Jesus christ. But other than that I agree, stop bitching. Pity he's such a clueless prick

another one for you

Greg Bird is NSW's version of Wally Lewis

By Josh Massoud | May 22, 2008 12:00am
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In a tangle ... Greg Bird and Johnathan Thurston fight for the ball. Photograph: Mark Evans / The Daily Telegraph


THE Blues have long coveted their own Wally Lewis, a player so purpose-built for Origin that he eventually melts into its folklore. According to the man who might have filled that void - had he played Origin - the search is nearly over.
This week named the Blues' Five-Eighth of the Century, league immortal Bob Fulton last night crowned Greg Bird as the NSW version of the King.
Bird won his second straight Origin man-of-the-match award last night.
In doing so, he became only the fifth player alongside Lewis, Chris Close, Sam Backo and Ricky Stuart to notch the amazing double.
Lewis was so good he did it twice en route to winning a record eight awards. But after just three appearances in sky blue, Bird is already a quarter of the way there.
It's an incredible achievement for a player who is not even considered a five-eighth by many, let alone one who deserves mention in the same rarified sentences as King Wally.
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Fulton begs to differ. Now a NSW selector, Fulton could not have been more satisfied after Bird returned the panel's faith by producing a game that teemed with intimidation.
"What Greg Bird did tonight shows he can handle pressure on a consistent basis. It shows he is made for this type of football," Fulton said.
"He is Wally Lewis-like in the way he plays the game.
"He takes pressure off his halfback with his defence and he's got a better passing game than anyone gives him credit for.
"Like Wally, he is very intimidating. He has that air about him. I'm not saying he is a carbon copy - but he has that consistency at this level."
Despite starring efforts from Blues rookies Peter Wallace and Anthony Laffranchi, the Australian selectors were unanimous in handing Bird the best-on-ground award.
Chairman Bob McCarthy didn't mention Lewis while explaining their reasons, but he did cite an important commonality.
"Some players are made for NFL, some players are made for rugby league, and some players are made for Origin," McCarthy said.
"Greg Bird is made for Origin."
Sure is. Clutching a stubby of VB afterwards, the man of the moment declared himself an "old school player". His trademark defence, bruising as always, was satisfying.
Bird credited NSW's dominant forwards for having the chance to play his natural game after the Blues had full control of Queensland up the middle of the ruck.
The highlight of his performance was a delightful cut-out ball to Mark Gasnier that laid on the Blues' match-winning try 12 minutes from the buzzer.
Listening to him talk about it, you could sense it was satisfying because the pass literally flew in the face of critics who suggest he doesn't possess enough creative subtleties to warrant a spot in the halves.
"For me, the best moment was that pass to Gaz. There was a bit of satisfaction in that," Bird said.
But the 24-year-old Cronulla Sharks player, who revealed a softer side by donating last year's $1000 prize to flood relief in his home town of Maitland, still reckons he is yet to convince anyone of his merit in the No. 6 jumper.
"It's only been one game this year," Bird said. "I don't think I've proved anything to anyone yet. Ask me after the third game and I'll give you the answer."
Blues brother Paul Gallen, however, believes his Sharks teammate has silenced the doubters for good, particularly coming on top of last year's man-of-the-match performance at five-eighth for Australia.
Asked how he felt about Bird being compared with Lewis, Gallen declined to agree - but only on parochial grounds.
"Wally was a Queenslander so I don't want to put Greg alongside him," he smiled.
"We'll have to think of someone from NSW."
And what about last night's prize- money? What what will Bird do with it?
"Well there's no flood in Maitland this time, so I suppose it will have to go straight to the hip pocket," he said.
 

Eels Dude

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Giving every club the week off during origin games would mean back to origin on wknds, it's so much better spectacle mid week. What I don't get is why clubs are getting the bye this yr directly after origin, when their players could be available, instead of directly before when they're not available. Stuart is a whinger plain and simple though.
 

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