Super League Crowds 2012

[deluded pom?]

16-20k sounds good to me, room to grow and when some bigger teams bring their fans, it'll fill.

That's the problem Parra, it won't fill.

 

[deluded pom?]

The only thing is "soft" ownership, where you begin to edge your co-tenant by making the stadium more expensive. Like if City get established in the Premier League then there will be pressure to expand the KC, regardless of whether they own it or not. I think they have plans for 30-35,000. Same thing with Swansea. The expansion is going to make the Liberty a pretty shit, and more expensive, place to play for Ospreys.

Though my understanding of how stadiums work is limited I admit, so I could be totally wrong.

The council through the Stadium Management set the tenancy arrangements. Unfortunately they SM always seem to have ties with Hull City. Hopefully the fact that Hull's owner, Adam Pearson, is a former chairman of the SM will work in Hull's favour. Hull City toyed with the idea of extending the stadium when they survived their first season in the EPL but because they don't own the stadium they thought better of it. The KC stadium needs a second tenant. Hull City alone will not make a go of it.

 

[Teddyboy]

Yeah, same thing with Cardiff as well. Last I heard they were thinking of moving back to Arms Park?

The problem is most stadiums in your country seem to built with premier league soccer in mind, so if you're a club that happen to groundshare you're stuck with something thats way too big for both clubs unless the PL is reached.

Wigan's the other major groundshare, and to be honest, the ground is too big for both the Warriors and Latics. Should have been around 20k, not 25k.

Thing is for a Rugby ground's with all seater's they need to be no bigger then 16000 as anything bigger the empty seats stand out like a sore thumb.St.Helen's old ground was great to watch as even a crowd of 8000 looked more then half full or 12000 at the old Central Park looked busy yet that ground could hold 27000 in the 1990's.

 

[fanatique]

Thing is for a Rugby ground's with all seater's they need to be no bigger then 16000 as anything bigger the empty seats stand out like a sore thumb.St.Helen's old ground was great to watch as even a crowd of 8000 looked more then half full or 12000 at the old Central Park looked busy yet that ground could hold 27000 in the 1990's.

I think this is true of all ESL clubs with the exception of Wigan and Leeds. I think both clubs have the potential to see attendances upwards of 25,000 VS rivals and average 20,000 across the season if the game and league sees continued growth. Leedss is a large metropolitan area and the Wigan brand is amazingly strong in its town and surrounding area....these two are the enduring giants and need capacity closer to 25,000.

This year Wigan have got over 21K VS Warrington, just short of 20K VS bradford and almost 22K ( more than the Cowboys and Broncos final ) VS St. helens in ther final Home and away game. They need the capacity.

 

[deluded pom?]

Why are empty seats at British grounds a problem? We'd all love the stadia to be full for every game but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Is it better to have a 25,000 seater with 17,000 in or a full 16,000 seater? I've seen plenty of NRL matches with lots of empty seats yet we don't have a thread about that.

 

[papabear]

Why are empty seats at British grounds a problem? We'd all love the stadia to be full for every game but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Is it better to have a 25,000 seater with 17,000 in or a full 16,000 seater? I've seen plenty of NRL matches with lots of empty seats yet we don't have a thread about that.

so long as they dont up the prices a full 16k seater.

but really it can depend on the individual stadium.

 

[deluded pom?]

17,00 or 16,000 paying the same price is a no brainer.

 

[fanatique]

Why are empty seats at British grounds a problem? We'd all love the stadia to be full for every game but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Is it better to have a 25,000 seater with 17,000 in or a full 16,000 seater? I've seen plenty of NRL matches with lots of empty seats yet we don't have a thread about that.

No need to be so defensive Pommy. We do have a thread about attendances in the NRL with literally thousands of posts many critical of the poor attendances at many games.

Many NRL games are played in what are by British standards Huge stadia. Clubs like the Rabbitohs and Dogs, two of the biggest clubs in the game play in a 82,000 stadium. Of course they can't come close to filling them.

 

[deluded pom?]

No need to be so defensive Pommy. We do have a thread about attendances in the NRL with literally thousands of posts many critical of the poor attendances at many games.

Many NRL games are played in what are by British standards Huge stadia. Clubs like the Rabbitohs and Dogs, two of the biggest clubs in the game play in a 82,000 stadium. Of course they can't come close to filling them.

Sorry mate, I don't read the NRL forums. Surely it's better to have as many people in the stadium as possible, even if that means empty seats elsewhere, rather than a full stadium with thousands locked out?

 

[roughyedspud]

thats the mindset of many a NRL CEO.............which is bollocks of course..the clubs are getting paid to play at ANZ...it's not a case of making sure as many fans as possible can see the game.....infact most fans hate the fact theres only 15-20k in a 82k stadium......

i remember a couple of years ago when the NRL wanted st george to move a semi final away from kogarah to the SFS saying that 25,000 fans could miss out on seeing the game....st george opted to stay at home and come game day they did'nt even trouble the 22,000 capacity of kogarah.

 

[deluded pom?]

So you'd be happy to see 12,000 seater stadiums as the norm in SLE 'spud?

 

[Hindyscrack]

thats the mindset of many a NRL CEO.............which is bollocks of course..the clubs are getting paid to play at ANZ...it's not a case of making sure as many fans as possible can see the game.....infact most fans hate the fact theres only 15-20k in a 82k stadium......

i remember a couple of years ago when the NRL wanted st george to move a semi final away from kogarah to the SFS saying that 25,000 fans could miss out on seeing the game....st george opted to stay at home and come game day they did'nt even trouble the 22,000 capacity of kogarah.

most fans hate it, but the fact is that the teams that have moved to the bigger stadia have increased their crowds. Some of them may be carnivorous but they all have better facilities, are generally easier to access.

there was complaints about the eels moving their last game to homebush for hindmarshs farewell, but we saw the extra 26,000 who were able to turn up. Bigger the ground the better.

I don't see the logic in saying that Wigan should be playing out of a 20,000 seater. Saints ground i feel is too small for them.

 

[fanatique]

Sorry mate, I don't read the NRL forums. Surely it's better to have as many people in the stadium as possible, even if that means empty seats elsewhere, rather than a full stadium with thousands locked out?

I agree to an extent. As I said above I think the smaller type stadium is OK for all but two of the ESL clubs.

I have visited the UK and I know a little about the game there..... I know that Wigan and Leeds are by a distance the two giants however close Saints, Bulls or Warrington may get in given seasons. Saints may be wigan's biggest rival but Leeds are their only serious threat as Biggest club in the UK. Both clubs need 25,000 stadia. Wigan have one. Leeds need one.

Saint Helens are perfect with the 18,000. Occasional Saints V Wigan Derbies might exceed 20K in a bigger stadium but few other games would.

 

[roughyedspud]

most fans hate it, but the fact is that the teams that have moved to the bigger stadia have increased their crowds. Some of them may be carnivorous but they all have better facilities, are generally easier to access.[quote/]

ANZ is a pig to get too....and i tell you what..if belmore was redeveloped in to a 25-30k capacity stadium canterbury would nigh on fill it,iirc they average around 22-23k at ANZ.....im sure if souths played out of the SFS they'd get better crowds than at ANZ..........

there was complaints about the eels moving their last game to homebush for hindmarshs farewell, but we saw the extra 26,000 who were able to turn up. Bigger the ground the better.[quote/].....but half the stadium was still empty....

I don't see the logic in saying that Wigan should be playing out of a 20,000 seater. Saints ground i feel is too small for them.

well wigan average around 15-16k.......the capacity of the stadium is 25k....its fine...they only ever trouble the capacity when they play st helens...


as for st helens...17k is fine at the moment.....at their best they averaged around 13-14k at knowsley road...and again only troubled the 17k capacity when playing wigan......so building a new stadium with a 17k capacity,with room to expand,is about right...if they fill in the corners the capacity would be around 20k

look at warrington...the averaged around 6-7k at their old ground......a 13k new stadium was about right....they've since expanded it to 15k.....and is capable of being expanded to 18k if needed..


but i doubt any club in SL will average 20k in my life time..

 

[RedVee]

thats the mindset of many a NRL CEO.............which is bollocks of course..the clubs are getting paid to play at ANZ...it's not a case of making sure as many fans as possible can see the game.....infact most fans hate the fact theres only 15-20k in a 82k stadium......

i remember a couple of years ago when the NRL wanted st george to move a semi final away from kogarah to the SFS saying that 25,000 fans could miss out on seeing the game....st george opted to stay at home and come game day they did'nt even trouble the 22,000 capacity of kogarah.

That's true but a bit of that was due (IMO) to the press about a sell out. People don't bother trying to get tickets when the press spout shte about a certain sellout, whereas at ANZ and Allanz they know they are a chance.

 

[docbrown]

http://therfl.co.uk/news/article/26179/record-crowds-watch-super-league

The 2012 Stobart Super League season has proved a big hit at the turnstiles with record crowds flocking to see the action during the regular season.

A total of 1.88 million fans witnessed the drama unfold during the 27-round campaign, a 6.7 per cent increase on 2011’s figure of 1.77 million and the highest aggregate attendance since Super League’s inception in 1996.

The weekly average across the competition rose once again, with an average of 9,950 fans attending every game.

League Leaders Wigan Warriors recorded the highest average club attendance for the third consecutive season with an average of 16,043 fans attending each game at the DW Stadium.

The aggregate attendance of 88,425 recorded during the Easter Weekend this season was the second highest total recorded during one round of competition in Super League history, just 931 behind the record set at 89,356 set in Round 22 of 2010.

“The crowds we have witnessed this season have reflected the growing appeal of Super League across the country and are testament to the extraordinary action we see on display in the Super League.” said RFL Chief Executive Nigel Wood.

“The competition has continued to grow in stature throughout 2012 and there can be little doubt that the continued increase in skill and athleticism across the league, combined with the introduction of two new state-of-the-art facilities at St Helens and Salford, have been instrumental in attracting more fans to the sport.”

The 2012 Stobart Super League climaxes with the Grand Final at Manchester’s Old Trafford Stadium on Saturday October 6 and fans can purchase tickets to watch the competition’s show-piece event from just £21, with a family ticket admitting two adults and two children costing from £55. Tickets can be purchased by calling the RFL Ticket Office on 0844 856 1113 or by visiting www.rugbyleaguetickets.co.uk

 

[VictoryFC]

^Great news.

But Wigan attendance for a finals game 7,000? Come on, whats going on there?

 

[deluded pom?]

^Great news.

But Wigan attendance for a finals game 7,000? Come on, whats going on there?

There's also a chance there could be the same match up in week 3 of the playoffs. The attendance will probably be similar or even worse.

 

[Teddyboy]

7000 thats shite.

 

[Gambass]

^Great news.

But Wigan attendance for a finals game 7,000? Come on, whats going on there?

It was already like that last year...

Play offs are getting worse attendances than the regular season... There is something very wrong about it.