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[Baron Vo Mandor]

Love to see Abes come back into the fold if we had a horror run of injuries, would scream blue murder if it was @ 5/8th!

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Faas actually gave away worse penalties against the Storm than any other Knights player, but he isn't a pet hate is he, so who cares hey.

The ' anti Rogers ' bias is only a ' pro Dureau ' bias shown in a different angle. Fans would say anything to get their hero in the team.

Who has said anything resembling Dureau being their hero?

 

[Karmawave]

Have a look around you mate. There's a few people here who would lay out the red carpet for his arrival to EAS :lol:

 

[Joker's Wild]

Faas actually gave away worse penalties against the Storm than any other Knights player, but he isn't a pet hate is he, so who cares hey.

The ' anti Rogers ' bias is only a ' pro Dureau ' bias shown in a different angle. Fans would say anything to get their hero in the team.

Oh com'on, this is a little rich coming from you mate.

 

[Karmawave]

Oh stop being so touchy.

I've never been ' anti Dureau ' just anti his ability. :lol:

 

[Joker's Wild]

Whatever you say champ ;-)

 

[black knight]

I'm no supporter of Dureau by any stretch of the imagination, but I do believe he needs to pair with Mullen in the halves. Time and time again on the 5th tackle, Mullen gets caught with the ball so is out of play for the 5th tackle option that defaults to Rogers. If Mullen was playing a true 7 he would never get caught on the 5th. I think based on that he feels more of a 6 and plays as such, regardless of the number on his back. I just think Dureau is a better halfback than Rogers and therefore must pair Mullen...

But that's just me...

 

[Jobdog]

:lol: HAHAHA.


Some of you guys are so blinkered its laughable.

Jobdog, your ' win ' stats are rubbish and you know it.

Two of Rogers ' losses ' - against the Tigers ( with Dureau ) and Storm - could have easily been wins and we all know it. In fact, the Tigers loss should have been a win if it were not for some ordinary refereeing calls at the end of the game.

Amazing what a last minute Storm try can do to your ' win / loss ' stats also.

The more telling stat to me is Rogers 7 games played with Mullen, Dureau 4.

That says more to me about the two than anything else.

Also , what everyone overlooks, in the games where Mullen/Dureau/Rogers all played together, Mullen and Rogers played 60 minutes between them while Dureau sat on the bench for most of the game.

* In fact, in the Manly game, the first that all 3 played in, the Knights trailed 6-0 until Mullen and Rogers took over the show around the 25th minute mark and changed the game. I mean f*ck me Jobdog, look a bit deeper at it to get a decent perspective.

* In the Warriors HOME game, we trailed 6-4 until Mullen/Rogers again changed the game.

* The Tigers game ( the game where Mullen went off in the last 10 minutes ) , we didn't score a point from the 60th minute onwards.

A few of the other Rogers ' losses ' came against the Titans ( AWAY ) and Cowboys ( AWAY ) , and I don't know when away trips to Queensland ever became easy expected wins for the Knights ... and WARRIORS ( AWAY ) and we all know NZ in driving rain is just about the hardest place on the planet to earn a win. Plenty of teams go to NZ and come home beaten - regardless of form. The week before the Tigers scored 0 points there too. Hardly a shock.

So in the end , the 4 Rogers/Mullen losses have all come away from home against the Gold Coast ( in round 1 ), Melbourne, North Queensland ( all 3 in the NRL Top 5 on the table ) and in NZ in abysmal conditions against the Warriors. :lol: Yep , they were expected wins weren't they...

But hey, whatever you can overlook to push your warped idea of talent.

You're big on the whole "away from home" wankfest, aren't you?

It's not like we were playing terrible sides when Scott's been in the team (bar Parra). As I said, Brisbane were first and had won 6 from 7 when we played them and the Dogs were also first when we played them. We beat both sides. Just say the Dogs and Broncos beat us in those games, I bet you'd have changed your opinion and wouldn't be worrying about the fact it was at home. You can't have it both ways.

You said about "expected wins" or, "not expected wins" - let me put it to you this way. Did you think we'd beat the Broncos or Bulldogs when we played them? Seriously? Forget about the fact we were playing at home. Did you expect the Knights to beat them?

 

[Pika]

The points earned from wins - you know...the most important stat?

Its a misreading stat.

He could be behind a pack firing.

He could be in a side where the fullback makes 150+ meters.

He could be in a side where the halfback takes control and sets up everything.

Same goes for Scott though.

You need to look at the individual stuff to get a real idea.

I mean, John Platt is one of the greatest Broncos ever right? Look at his win/loss stat.

And in the first six rounds this year, Petro is just rubbish. Have a look at that win/loss stat. No wait, he went for how many meters? How many missed tackles? He is the best prop in the game...... but how about the most important stat..... hmmmmmmm.

 

[Jobdog]

Success is guided by wins/losses Pika ;-)

 

[Pika]

An individual can be good in a loosing team.

An individual can be poor in a winning team.

Its not about Scott or Rogers for me.

I am with Karma on this one. I think both need to improve if we are to be genuine title threats.

But I think you need to dig a hell of a lot deeper than win/loss stats to gauge who is the better performer.

I think its a fragile arguement and open to a mountain of 'ifs and buts'.

 

[Jobdog]

You can't agree with Karma, that's not right

Truth be told, I agree that Ben or Scott aren't going to help us win a comp, unless they improve, I just think Scott's the better option.

 

[Pika]

LOL, sorry, I dont agree with Karma.

 

[Karmawave]

You said about "expected wins" or, "not expected wins" - let me put it to you this way. Did you think we'd beat the Broncos or Bulldogs when we played them? Seriously? Forget about the fact we were playing at home. Did you expect the Knights to beat them?

Yep. If we are fair dinkum contenders, I'd expect we'd beat ANY team AT HOME.

Let's face it, we're a better chance of beating ( insert ANY TEAM ) at home than we are playing any team away.

Be realistic.

 

[Karmawave]

I am with Karma on this one.

So you can be ' with ' me , but that's not agreeing. That's cool , I like that. :lol:

As for you Jobdog, I don't mind you wrapping up Dureaus win/loss record. Just take the time to recognise the 4 teams Rogers lost against and where they played them.

How many teams have beaten the Titans on the Gold Coast this year. How many have beaten the Storm in Melbourne in the past few seasons. What's the Cowboys home winning % in Townsville compared to away, and what's the Warriors winning % at home compared to away over their history?

That's my point. I don't have an issue with Dureau's winning % as much as I have an issue with people talking about Rogers ' losing % ' when you consider the teams he and Mullen lost against :lol:

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Its a misreading stat.

He could be behind a pack firing.

He could be in a side where the fullback makes 150+ meters.

He could be in a side where the halfback takes control and sets up everything.

Same goes for Scott though.

You need to look at the individual stuff to get a real idea.

I mean, John Platt is one of the greatest Broncos ever right? Look at his win/loss stat.

And in the first six rounds this year, Petro is just rubbish. Have a look at that win/loss stat. No wait, he went for how many meters? How many missed tackles? He is the best prop in the game...... but how about the most important stat..... hmmmmmmm.

Very well said and you beat me too it! People using a win loss record to debate rogers and dureau are dead set kidding themselves! Very long bow indeed!:crazy:

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Have a look around you mate. There's a few people here who would lay out the red carpet for his arrival to EAS :lol:

Can you list posters names?
What I see, is people on here that are pushing for dureau it is because they think he is a better option in the halves than rogers. I don't see anyone on here talking him up like he's the next andrew johns to say the very least. So I'll say it again, who r the posters on here that would "Lay out the red carpet"?

 

[Pika]

LOL, sorry, I dont agree with Karma.

That was a joke mate :sarcasm:

 

[Alex28]

Its a misreading stat.

He could be behind a pack firing.

He could be in a side where the fullback makes 150+ meters.

He could be in a side where the halfback takes control and sets up everything.

Same goes for Scott though.

You need to look at the individual stuff to get a real idea.

I mean, John Platt is one of the greatest Broncos ever right? Look at his win/loss stat.

And in the first six rounds this year, Petro is just rubbish. Have a look at that win/loss stat. No wait, he went for how many meters? How many missed tackles? He is the best prop in the game...... but how about the most important stat..... hmmmmmmm.

I appreciate that you have to analyse the individual stats in your role...however wouldn't the fact that we are 3.75 from 4 when all three are used indicate that no matter what errors or kicks in play or tackles are made, that the coach has been able to use them effectively enough to get wins?

 

[Karmawave]

That was a joke mate :sarcasm:

Yes, I realise it now, I tend to glide over Jobdogs posts so missed the context ;-)