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Telecrap debate: Bring back Hayne ?

Gronk

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Phil Buzz Rothfield vs Andrew Webster: Bring back Jarryd Hayne





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Source: The Daily Telegraph



BRING back Jarryd Hayne. Sports Editor-at-Large Phil Rothfield argues the case for the return of the Eels superstar with Andrew Webster.

BUZZ: Ricky Stuart said after the game there wouldn't be any changes for Origin II. That's wrong. We can improve on the team.

WEBBY: Well, I was there in that press conference and he said he wouldn't "chop and change" and I agree. This is Year Zero for the Blues, and all the talk about picking a team to start building a culture would fly out the window if he made wholesale changes. Who do you think should come and go, Buzzy?

BUZZ: I'm a pick-and-stick man as much as Ricky but we have to make changes while we keep losing. NSW used to be just as loyal as Queensland. We always chose Stuart, Clyde, Daley, Lazarus and Roach. We could afford to be loyal in those days. I'd be getting rid of Jason King, Dean Young and Brett Morris, who made the unforgivable error for Yow Yeh's try.


WEBBY: Yeah. You're rock solid. I agree we need to bring in Learoyd-Lahrs for King and if Kurt Gidley is fit he is a must off the bench.

BUZZ: So you're finally agreeing with me. We need changes.

WEBBY: No, you dribbler. Those two blokes would've been in the side if fit. I heard last night around the traps that Ennis wouldn't have been in the side at all if Gidley was fit. But they have to stick with him now. He put so much pressure on the Maroons kickers in the first half when he came on that it helped turn it our way. A bit.

BUZZ: You need a crash course on rugby league. You agree we need changes but you haven't even mentioned Jarryd Hayne. Puhlease. You were on the drink in Brisbane on Monday night and obviously missed his game against the Sharks. He has to be chosen on the wing for Morris. He's a championship player and we need him.

WEBBY: Not for the first time, your mail is horribly wrong. It was Tuesday night, not Monday night. Hayne played well, but Ricky made the tough decision to leave him out for game one because of his attitude and it would be a huge backflip if he brought him back.

BUZZ:
Agree it was a tough call but it was the wrong call. This stuff about his attitude is rubbish. He's been taught a lesson by missing game one and he should be one of the first chosen for Homebush if we're fair dinkum about squaring the series.

WEBBY:
Rubbish? You are obviously not talking to the people I'm talking to, who would know.

BUZZ: Who are you talking to ... Phil Gould?

WEBBY: I don't reveal sources, but he's not one of them. He fades in and out of games too often, and even did as much in that Monday night match. I think Jarryd is probably the most gifted player going around. But Ricky wanted to build a new culture from the ground up and rightly or wrongly cannot blink after just one match.

BUZZ:
You don't build winning cultures by leaving out "the most gifted player going around". Ricky needs to pick him and then sort out the issues. That's the coach's job. I guarantee you one thing - he wouldn't have just stood there and watched Yow Yeh score on Wednesday night.

WEBBY: You're so out of touch, you old fossil. Let's sort this out at the Aurora. Bring your wallet and a doctor.

BUZZ: You're an A-grade goose. Seriously, all this talk that NSW has to be loyal because Queensland is loyal is nonsense. They're loyal because Smith, Lockyer, Thurston, Slater, Inglis and Boyd carry the entire team. They've got a great culture because they've got almost the entire Australian Test side.

WEBBY: I'm not saying they should keep the side because Queensland do it. I'm saying it because NSW for years chop and change and tinker and they don't have any time to form some decent combinations. Just bring in Learoyd-Lahrs and Gids and that's it.

BUZZ: Let's pick a winning team and then stop tinkering, chopping and changing.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ack-jarryd-hayne/story-e6frexv9-1226063484405
 

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Hayne won't be picked all series, Sticky is a stubborn f**kwit. But Sir try a lot Kidley will be straight back. QLD are beatable if we would ever pick a decent side.
 

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Sux that they get paid to have the same conversations that go on here everyday.
Yep, and what's worse is that they think it's entertaining to add in cliched rubbish like "dribbler". It really is 'journalism' at its worst.

And they've got it all wrong anyway. Hayne is a no-brainer, it's the automatic agreement on Gidley that is astonishing.
 

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I hate those manufactured "debates" Is that really what they get paid for?
 
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So dumb. Best player in NSW can't get a run. The whole reason they had a panel of selectors was so they could pick the best team. They scrapped the panel and brought in a single entity (with the help of a fossil). All that objectivity disappears and the team is genuinely a subjective pick and choose from Ricky Stuart. It's madness. They wonder why NSW supporters don't get behind their team. Their team is not representative of the best in their state. Might as well call the team Ricky's Roadwarriors.

Ricky got sacked by the roosters, and sacked by cronulla. He can't get a gig as a first grade coach. And we give him all the power and control of our state team. Pathetic.

While the old selectors panel was a joke because they could never decide on a decent team, at least there was a voice for all contenders in the positions. At lease there was some debate, and at least a majority vote won out in the end. Who's the voice for Jarryd Hayne, now that there's no panel?
 

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So dumb. Best player in NSW can't get a run. The whole reason they had a panel of selectors was so they could pick the best team. They scrapped the panel and brought in a single entity (with the help of a fossil). All that objectivity disappears and the team is genuinely a subjective pick and choose from Ricky Stuart. It's madness. They wonder why NSW supporters don't get behind their team. Their team is not representative of the best in their state. Might as well call the team Ricky's Roadwarriors.

Ricky got sacked by the roosters, and sacked by cronulla. He can't get a gig as a first grade coach. And we give him all the power and control of our state team. Pathetic.

While the old selectors panel was a joke because they could never decide on a decent team, at least there was a voice for all contenders in the positions. At lease there was some debate, and at least a majority vote won out in the end. Who's the voice for Jarryd Hayne, now that there's no panel?

Daniel Mortimer?
 

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I just like the fact that the two last Dally M winners are from NSW and under 25 and can't get a run (noting of course Carney was never in the hunt for game 1). I would have them game 2 and 3 without question...
 

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I just like the fact that the two last Dally M winners are from NSW and under 25 and can't get a run (noting of course Carney was never in the hunt for game 1). I would have them game 2 and 3 without question...


Hayne won't be picked all series, Sticky is a stubborn f**kwit. But Sir try a lot Kidley will be straight back. QLD are beatable if we would ever pick a decent side.

Sad but true.

That's what makes it SO annoying to sit back and try and support the team.

The last couple of years have been particularly painful in the selection process... continually leaving out the 'better' players in favor of 'tough guys'.....


I don't care if they're a bunch of pansies who all hold hands and skip onto the field together - I just want to win Origin again. Please?
 

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I hope they pick him but then Jarryd just tells them to stick it and declines to play. Better yet, Jarryd should publicly states that he would love to play for his beloved NSW, but can't in all good consciousness bring himself to do so, due to Ricky Stuart coaching out of his depth and he needs to go back to park football and learn how to coach at the elite level, with the prospect, if he does well enough, to be once again considered in the future.
 
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So dumb. Best player in NSW can't get a run. The whole reason they had a panel of selectors was so they could pick the best team. They scrapped the panel and brought in a single entity (with the help of a fossil). All that objectivity disappears and the team is genuinely a subjective pick and choose from Ricky Stuart. It's madness. They wonder why NSW supporters don't get behind their team. Their team is not representative of the best in their state. Might as well call the team Ricky's Roadwarriors.

Ricky got sacked by the roosters, and sacked by cronulla. He can't get a gig as a first grade coach. And we give him all the power and control of our state team. Pathetic.

While the old selectors panel was a joke because they could never decide on a decent team, at least there was a voice for all contenders in the positions. At lease there was some debate, and at least a majority vote won out in the end. Who's the voice for Jarryd Hayne, now that there's no panel?

This
 

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I hope they pick him but then Jarryd just tells them to stick it and declines to play. Better yet, Jarryd should publicly states that he would love to play for his beloved NSW, but can't in all good consciousness bring himself to do so, due to Ricky Stuart coaching out of his depth and he needs to go back to park football and learn how to coach at the elite level, with the prospect, if he does well enough, to be once again considered in the future.
I kind of feel the same but believe if he did it they would declare they were correct about his attitude.

I think he would be better served to indicate he wants to captain Fiji,
 

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As long as Ricky is in charge of the Blues, Hayne's rep career is on ice. Stuart has made a rod for his back, and will not pick Hayne.
  • To categorically come out and state that players will not be picked out of position means no wing spot.
  • To categorically come out and state that he sees Haynes as a 6 and not a 1 means no fullback spot (see above for playing players out of position)
  • Since Hayne is not playing 6 for his club, he would be played out of position, so no 5/8 (because that would be playing him out of position)
  • Any utility bench spot will go to someone who can play in the forward rotation (ala Idris), or in the 9 rotation (ala Gidley), so no bench spot.

Ricky also won't want to show up his favourite Josh "solid but not threatening" Dugan, so will not put the two in the same team.

The fact that Stuart had been on the phone constantly to Dugan indicates that he was always going to get the nod over Hayne. It was blatant favouritism. Ricky will not want to admit that he has made a mistake with Hayne, nor will he want to admit that his reasons for leaving him out were stupid.

Hence Hayne will never play Origin again with Stuart as coach (unless there are some massive injury concerns, but even then, he'll probably look elsewhere).
 

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As long as Ricky is in charge of the Blues, Hayne's rep career is on ice. Stuart has made a rod for his back, and will not pick Hayne.
  • To categorically come out and state that players will not be picked out of position means no wing spot.
  • To categorically come out and state that he sees Haynes as a 6 and not a 1 means no fullback spot (see above for playing players out of position)
  • Since Hayne is not playing 6 for his club, he would be played out of position, so no 5/8 (because that would be playing him out of position)
  • Any utility bench spot will go to someone who can play in the forward rotation (ala Idris), or in the 9 rotation (ala Gidley), so no bench spot.

Ricky also won't want to show up his favourite Josh "solid but not threatening" Dugan, so will not put the two in the same team.

The fact that Stuart had been on the phone constantly to Dugan indicates that he was always going to get the nod over Hayne. It was blatant favouritism. Ricky will not want to admit that he has made a mistake with Hayne, nor will he want to admit that his reasons for leaving him out were stupid.

Hence Hayne will never play Origin again with Stuart as coach (unless there are some massive injury concerns, but even then, he'll probably look elsewhere).


Like I say, the best thing (for NSW) is for Duuuugan to break his leg right off.

that would allow Ricky to make an 'exception' to his stupid rules and pick Hayne at FB AND would give NSW a chance to win a series. Of course we needed all this to happen BEFORE game 1....
 

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Like I say, the best thing (for NSW) is for Duuuugan to break his leg right off.

that would allow Ricky to make an 'exception' to his stupid rules and pick Hayne at FB AND would give NSW a chance to win a series. Of course we needed all this to happen BEFORE game 1....
If Boil Boy got injured i'd have no doubt Stewart would be straight in. Sticky will not pick Hayne this year fullstop. Lets hope Hayne makes a c**k out of him tonight.
 

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If Hayne - and to a marginally lesser extent - Jamal Idris are not selected in SOO 2 then its just a crime against NSW RL.....its madness
 

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