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simmo1

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Does anyone know the threshold for being docked points for over rate? It's about time something was done about it, but the decision seems pretty arbitrary. India bowled 87 overs on day 1 at Gabba. Pakistan were even worse last year.
 

TheParraboy

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NZ guaranteed the final :blush:

haha, Good luck to them

Does anyone know the threshold for being docked points for over rate? It's about time something was done about it, but the decision seems pretty arbitrary. India bowled 87 overs on day 1 at Gabba. Pakistan were even worse last year.

You get docked Two championship points for every over you don't bowl in the allocated time

We got docked 4 points for the MCG test

Not sure if they take into account factors such as time out for batsman concussion protocols, etc..


https://www.cricket.com.au/news/aus...lia-india-boxing-day-icc-over-rate/2020-12-29


ICC match referee David Boon – who celebrates his 60th birthday today – slapped the penalty on the Aussies after they were ruled to be two overs short of the target over-rate.

Sides are penalised 20 percent of their match fees and two World Test Championship points for every over they fail to bowl in the allotted time.

The penalty took Australia back to 322 points but they retained top spot on the World Test Championship table, ahead of India.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Has turned out to be a really good concept the Test Championship, adds another dimension to test matches and series that you normally may not be as invested in.
 

Bazal

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Has turned out to be a really good concept the Test Championship, adds another dimension to test matches and series that you normally may not be as invested in.

I think Covid has damaged it a bit, but you can't help that and I agree

Some tweaking with points etc might be needed but the concept's very good, hopefully it continues. With different venues for the final of each iteration
 

Valheru

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I think Covid has damaged it a bit, but you can't help that and I agree

Some tweaking with points etc might be needed but the concept's very good, hopefully it continues. With different venues for the final of each iteration

Definitely need to standardise the points system. Just have 3 tests series. That gives the lesser nations a chance to play more. Any series that is longer than 3 tests just nominate 3 of them that count towards the test championship ahead of time.
 

TheParraboy

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Come England, just one more win, but only 1.

We don't deserve to make it, but goddamn it would be hilarious if we did.

People saying we dont deserve to be in the final, I don't buy that considering all the other sides have had a dud series like we had across the last couple of year of the test championship points

NZ beat a full strength India, but proudly lifted their skirts up and bent over to us to do as we please

Poms lost test series to WI, and luckily drew ashes series with us in ashes

Kiwis deserves to be there, and whoever gets there deserves it as well. I suspect kiwis would prefer to play anyone but us.

We also had SA tour postponed. Not sure SA would have beaten us considering most are are bending them over these days
 

JJ

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People saying we dont deserve to be in the final, I don't buy that considering all the other sides have had a dud series like we had across the last couple of year of the test championship points

NZ beat a full strength India, but proudly lifted their skirts up and bent over to us to do as we please

Poms lost test series to WI, and luckily drew ashes series with us in ashes

Kiwis deserves to be there, and whoever gets there deserves it as well. I suspect kiwis would prefer to play anyone but us.

We also had SA tour postponed. Not sure SA would have beaten us considering most are are bending them over these days
Whoever gets there will deserve it.. Australia should be there, but choked horribly (and yes, anyone but you... clearly in tests there’s some Voodoo shit going on)

Quite cool that Australian cricket is like the Wests Tigers atm hoping for a series of unlikely results to go their way do they can get to the big games...
 

Eelectrica

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People saying we dont deserve to be in the final, I don't buy that considering all the other sides have had a dud series like we had across the last couple of year of the test championship points

NZ beat a full strength India, but proudly lifted their skirts up and bent over to us to do as we please

Poms lost test series to WI, and luckily drew ashes series with us in ashes

Kiwis deserves to be there, and whoever gets there deserves it as well. I suspect kiwis would prefer to play anyone but us.

We also had SA tour postponed. Not sure SA would have beaten us considering most are are bending them over these days
This is true too. If England make it, they will have really deserved it though. Needing to win 3 games in India, 2 now is still a tough ask.
 

TheParraboy

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Whoever gets there will deserve it.. Australia should be there, but choked horribly (and yes, anyone but you... clearly in tests there’s some Voodoo shit going on)

Quite cool that Australian cricket is like the Wests Tigers atm hoping for a series of unlikely results to go their way do they can get to the big games...


mate wash your mouth out Wests Tigers???

We are The Mighty Parramatta Eels no question. Can make finals but bomb out

Get a severe bashing couple of times a season at least like the aussies do
 

TheParraboy

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ah ha

Slow over rates cost us a place in the Final

Kiwis in the final by a whisker, the good guys getting some well deserved fortune


https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...r-world-test-championship-elimination-1254274

Though Australia were comfortably clear in the World Test Championship standings at the time, Australia's coach Justin Langer has admitted to a feeling of dread when his side dropped two points due to a penalty for slow over rates during the Boxing Day Test against India - ultimately all that separated the team from a place in the final later this year.

While Tim Paine's side won only two of the four series it contested over the period of the WTC, while also having away series against Bangladesh and South Africa cancelled due to complications around Covid-19, they would have claimed enough points over matches played to squeak past New Zealand into second place behind India if not for being docked the two points at the conclusion of the MCG loss.

Langer claimed that the team had no idea they were behind the required over rate by enough of a margin to incur a penalty until after the Test concluded, despite regular updates always being provided by match officials. In 2008, Australia's then captain Ricky Ponting resorted to bowling part-timers at a critical moment of a Test match in Nagpur when there were concerns the team's over rate had sagged to a level at which he may well have been suspended under the disciplinary system in use by the ICC at the time.


"Our manager Gavin Dovey had gone home ... for Christmas with his family in England, and it wasn't until after the game that we realised our over rate was down," Langer told SEN Radio. "That's really slack on our behalf, but I remember we were in the team room afterwards and I spoke to Painey and Dene Hills, our analyst, about it. I was a bit grumpy about it and I thought 'imagine if this cost us the World Test Championship'.

"And I mentioned it to the players afterwards that two overs down could cost us the World Test Championship. And so, we have to get better at that and make sure it doesn't happen in Sydney and Brisbane. It didn't, but we also couldn't bowl out India twice and we didn't make enough runs. It was relevant at the time, and it certainly became incredibly significant over the weekend.

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"It's disappointing for a couple of reasons - one we didn't get to play in South Africa to have another crack at it after the India series and is it's disappointing for me because this Test Championship goes over a couple of years, we were in the box seat for a lot of it," Langer said.

"We've played some great cricket. Losing to India at home that was really disappointing, but…we got docked two points for a slow over rate, and that cost us. That's how close it was and how often do you get docked points in Test cricket these days? Rarely. We have that in our control, that's an attitudinal thing, at the time we probably thought 'oh it's not that big a deal', but that cost us the WTC after what had been two really good years when we were ranked No. 1 again. The things we can control we have to control, and we can't for a second relax in Test cricket."

After Australia's white-ball squad returned home from a 3-2 T20I series defeat in New Zealand that he sat out, Langer expressed approval for Glenn Maxwell's recently stated desire to put himself back into Test match contention given the multiple Test series looming for the national team in Asia over the next two years.

"I'm absolutely supportive of that," Langer said. "We know how destructive he can be. We're always looking for greater consistency from Maxy and all of our players, but he's so destructive and so talented and a gun fielder.
 

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