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Suitman

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Pazza said:
i am just so disapointed on how the SMH and its reporters have gone out of the way to build a negative image of our game. In one report a reporter went as far as saying that Steriods could be a reason why this type of behaviour has arised.

It is just so disgraceful that reporters have gone away from reporting on the events of Coffs Harbour and have written other material to rubbish the culture of league.

Are you talking about the Sydney Morning Herald or The Sun Herald?
Either way, you have said they go out of their way to build a negative image of the game eh??

Well, lets see............

Reporting Julian O'Neil throwing faeces around a hotel room.
Reporting an alleged sexual assault by Cronulla players in New Zealand.
Reporting alleged sexual assault by Bulldogs players in Coffs Harbour. (2003)
Reporting alleged sexual assault by Bulldogs players in Coffs Harbour. (2004)
Reporting salary cap breaches by the Bulldogs and alleged misappropriation of funds by the same in 2002.

If you check police reports, all of these incidents will be on record.
If the players and their clubs were a little (or a lot) more responsible, these incidents wouldn't even need to be reported on.
Don't even think about putting any blame on the press for this one.

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Pazza

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The reporting by the media goes beyond the event that occured on Coffs Harbour. One reporter named Jacquelin Magnay, who i am sure we all well know, has used this oppertunity to rubbish the whole game and everyone involved it in. I am not having a go at the media for reporting the events at Coffs harbour but i am having a go at the rubbish writen below aimed at rubbishing the culture of rugby league.

What dogs do

Montgomery said rugby league was in a bind because the promotion of masculine values such as toughness, aggression and competitiveness has a direct correlation in promoting "side effects" such as risky behaviour, an inability to deal with emotions, less intimate relationships and a greater belief that male-female relationships are adversarial.

"The risk is, without anybody intending it, that the organisation promotes a culture associated with the attitude that women are something to be used," Montgomery said.

"That may not be their intention, but it is a side effect, and sometimes that can be their deliberate intention." Montgomery said any atmosphere and culture is set from the top because people in any organisation pick up on examples.

Rugby league prides itself on being the macho game, the toughest of tough games, and for eons the role of women in the code has been subservient. There are the cheergirls with their skimpy shorts, low-cut tops and pom-poms, mothers who wash the socks and jerseys, and pandering wives and girlfriends who bask in the reflected glory of "their man".

For a long time women have been the playthings of these glorified heroes. Some clubs have their regular "buns" or groupies that provide sex on demand. The Herald has previously reported that some league teams used to hire prostitutes for group sex, as part of a team "bonding" process.

Unsubstantiated stories swirl around the locker room that paint women in a degrading light: one involves a coach who ordered his team into his hotel room while he was in the midst of having sex with a woman and told them "this is what we are going to do to [a certain team] tonight".

But women throw themselves at their stars, surreptitiously writing phone numbers on pieces of paper, hanging out around training venues and frequenting known nightspots of the players. Many women aggressively pursue the players and record a notch on the wall when they score with one. But there is a code among some players that "bonus" points are given if women are shared among their mates: the more mates, the more points, and the more laughter afterwards. It is called roasting (a bit of meat being stuffed).

"The sharing of women is a bit pervasive and has developed over time," says sports psychologist Jeff Bond. "Just look at how women are portrayed in the advertising, going back to the Tina Turner ads which had the raunchy female. Now there is The Footy Show and the way they treat women, just as dumb blondes, is so wrong."

Even the language in the rugby league clubs is telling. The most insulting words a coach can make about a lacklustre performance on the field is to comment that he "played like a girl". It is in this disrespectful environment that players are conditioned.

"The culture that surrounds some clubs is wrong; it provides a platform for sex and violence," said Bond.

"Clubs protect players, it is treated as 'boys being boys' and there is a cone of protection and silence. The players have got the income to do lots of things, they have got the time and sometimes they get bored, they don't know what to do with themselves so they turn to drink, horses and sex."

There is also the question of whether illegal supplements such as steroids or testosterone are involved. These drugs have side effects of heightening aggressiveness and sex-drive.

A torrid history

1995: Sydney Bulldogs are the first club to commit to the rebel Super League organisation. The club are bitterly divided and four players return to the ARL fold.

1998: A Bulldogs player, Barry Ward, was fined $10,000 for calling St George five-eighth Anthony Mundine a "black c---". But the club said sledging by players was a personal matter and should have been left on the field of play.

2000: Police and Sydney Football Stadium security staff set up barriers between groups of rival supporters when the Bulldogs play, leading to the introduction of on-the-spot fines for unruly behaviour at league games. Police pay visits to the homes of Bulldogs' supporters, warning them against hooliganism.

2002: Bulldogs exposed by the Herald for deliberately cheating the salary cap for the 2001 and 2002 seasons by more than $1.5 million. As punishment, the NRL relegates the Bulldogs from the top of the table to wooden spooners. Club president Gary McIntyre and other board members resign because of the scandal. A separate inquiry is launched into property development arrangements that the club made with Liverpool Council.

2002:Bulldogs player Darrell Trindall arrested for the assault of a 36-year-old woman. He was dismissed from the club.

2003: Three Bulldogs players questioned by Coffs Harbour police after a 42-year-old woman claimed she had consensual sex with one player, but woke up having unwanted sex with a second player while a third player watched. The case was dropped for lack of evidence.

2004: Six Bulldog players accused of sexual assault by a 20-year-old woman in Coffs Harbour.

This goes far beyond reporting to the public the FACTS of what happened at Coffs Harbour and until somebody gets charged it is pure speculation. [/b]
 

Suitman

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Pazza said:
This goes far beyond reporting to the public the FACTS of what happened at Coffs Harbour and until somebody gets charged it is pure speculation. [/b]

Firstly, Jaquelin Magnay is very well known indeed.
If it wasn't for her, The Bulldogs salary cap scam may never have been outed.
Secondly, she is just reporting on a "perceived culture", of Rugby League, by experts in certain fields, just like what has been "perceived happened" has been reported elsewhere in the paper that she works for.

It was not a story on the facts, it was a story on a developing culture, and a very sad one at that.
If you want to have another look at your claims, head for the Telegraph last week, and see a lot of the rubbish that they printed.

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Pazza

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I just dont enjoy reading this crap that is adding onto the events of Coffs Harbour and it is harming the game. Unless Jaquelin Magnay can start showing solid evidence that the league culture creates and i quote: 'risky behaviour, an inability to deal with emotions, less intimate relationships and a greater belief that male-female relationships are adversarial'. Also and i quote: 'There is also the question of whether illegal supplements such as steroids or testosterone are involved. These drugs have side effects of heightening aggressiveness and sex-drive' She should not make such speculation unless she has some sort of fact to back up her claims. To me her writing is pure crap.
 

mickdo

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Considering that players have been busted for steroids playing Rugby League in the past, she has every right to ask the question whether it is a factor in this case. Mate, if the game was squeaky clean then there would be nothing for her to write about, but it seems that there are (and have been in recent times) plenty of serious problems with RL. Its her job to report it, and to speculate on possible causes as well. She has questioned psycholgists and got their opinons. You may not like what they had to say, but being their jobs I would bet a weeks pay that they know a hell of a lot more than you about the kind of human behaviour that goes on in a first grade football team.
 

PB

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This thread started by saying the bulldogs supporters were all clutching at straws and blaming the media etc, and now many of you seem to be doing the same.

Points:
# Its not the media's fault if players perform group sex in hotel rooms or any where else.
# its not the responisbility of the Papers to promote the game of league one way or the other. It is the responsibility of the collective rugby league organisations.
#it is the responsibility of the newspapers to sell newspapers and report facts. If this is done by getting statements from witnesses, players, hotel staff, well shock horror that is what journalism is. Stories like "an unamed player was seen going to visit his fellow players wife at their house for an indecent meeting", are ones that are unsubtaniated, and taint the game. But this is siuation is COMPLETLY different.

# KEY FACT: If the NRL and the Bulldogs had acted on the stories written in the past, by developing stricter guidlines, and punishing players for their past indiscretions (be they legal or just indecent), then this situation would have been alot more avoidable.
 

Suitman

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Pazza said:
I just dont enjoy reading this crap that is adding onto the events of Coffs Harbour and it is harming the game. Unless Jaquelin Magnay can start showing solid evidence that the league culture creates and i quote: 'risky behaviour, an inability to deal with emotions, less intimate relationships and a greater belief that male-female relationships are adversarial'. Also and i quote: 'There is also the question of whether illegal supplements such as steroids or testosterone are involved. These drugs have side effects of heightening aggressiveness and sex-drive' She should not make such speculation unless she has some sort of fact to back up her claims. To me her writing is pure crap.

We'll just have to disagree.
You say it's crap.
I say it's taking the story to where it needs to be, for all of us to try and understand why this "alleged" incident may have happened in the first place.
Don't downplay the possible reasosn for this happening.

You seem to forget that these are extremely serious accusations.
And everything that you have quoted above lends weight to why the "alleged" incident may have occurred.

Suity
 

sportive cupid

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half said:
there's nothing wrong with gangbangs if they're consensual

*edit upon complaint*
That would have to be one of the most offensive,sexist statements I have seen on this board.Quite apart from the fact that it trivialises what is a serious matter
 

sportive cupid

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half said:
*edited upon complaint*
Is the moderator looking at some of these comments.Although I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinons,I feel comments like this merely add weight to the arguement of the Herald reporters.The culture surrounding rugby League is one where woman are secondary and to be treated with distain.
Half ,where do you get the knowledge of what a girl would want.I couldnt think of much worse personally
 

sportive cupid

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Nikki said:
Ah, as long as it sells papers they dont care who'se reputations they ruin in the process, be it either the players or the NRL in general.
Nikki I'm not sure if all of the articles are merely for selling papers.I agree that some are merely sensationalised garbage, but others are serious articles. Either way they are bringing up a serious issue - the sexist culture surrounding rugby league.In this way it's not about ruining reputations but getting something out there for people to question, and discuss in the rational manner is we are here :shock:
 

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I haven't commented on these scum before, but I feel the need to say something.

This is not an Eels or Rugby League issue.

We don't need to create disharmony between us, for something that does not involve our club.

Why don't we just drop it, and let the Bulldogs argue amongst them selves.
 

Suitman

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Twizzle said:
I haven't commented on these scum before, but I feel the need to say something.

This is not an Eels or Rugby League issue.

We don't need to create disharmony between us, for something that does not involve our club.

Why don't we just drop it, and let the Bulldogs argue amongst them selves.

I beg to differ.
This is indeed a Rugby League issue. The publicity this incident has receieved over the last week has been damning for the game as a whole.
As a supporter of the game, I reserve the right to be able to comment.

On the other hand, I just couldn't handle some of the tripe that has been written in here.

Suity
 

sportive cupid

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Twizzle said:
I haven't commented on these scum before, but I feel the need to say something.

This is not an Eels or Rugby League issue.

We don't need to create disharmony between us, for something that does not involve our club.

Why don't we just drop it, and let the Bulldogs argue amongst them selves.
Because Twizzle, this is a Rugby League issue.As some on this board have suggested and some of the Sydney media have also suggested, this goes beyond theBulldogs and into the culture of the game.I have experience of rugby league at the young children's level and I can say,anecdotally of course,that from what I have seen it is a culture which begins much earlier than at the NRL level .
 

Jic Jarrett

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I was disappointed to read in the SUNDAY TELEGRAPH about RL's perceived culture and then comparing it to what looked like a squeaky clean AFL culture. The bulldogs incidents, FINGERGATE and several others were mentioned. In defence to RL, I'd like to go on record and say that AFL isnt all that innocent either when you consider-

Players biting scrotums
Wayne Carey
Gary Ablett
Carlton's salary cap breach etc....


This reporter is a slapnut of a hypocrite!
 

Twizzle

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It did not happen on the field, its not a rugby league issue.

What they do in their own time is not rugby league.

If you are suggeting that this is rugby league culture, you are making excuses for these idiots.

I played rungby league in Parramatta for 10 years and this so called culture did not exist.

Perhaps we may just have to disagree on this subject.
 

Jic Jarrett

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I'm not suggesting that, just stating what some freakin idiotic journalist who obviously sits there with their finger up their date reported.
 

Suitman

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Twizzle said:
It did not happen on the field, its not a rugby league issue.

What they do in their own time is not rugby league.

If you are suggeting that this is rugby league culture, you are making excuses for these idiots.

I played rungby league in Parramatta for 10 years and this so called culture did not exist.

Perhaps we may just have to disagree on this subject.


I'm surprised Twizzle.
They were in Coffs Harbour, representing the Bulldogs.
They were away on tour.
Surely, they are not only representing Canterbury, but also the game that pays them extremely well.
I might just understand one on one sex in the privacy of one's hotel room, but accusations of many, in a public pool.

As Leslie Neilsen said...."Surely, you can't be serious?"

Suity
 

The Colonel

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Guys - this is warning to all those who do not wish to talk football.

If you want to make lude comments, speculations and other such comments about the Bulldogs regarding the alleged incidents that are not related to the facts please do so out of here. They will be deleted - continued posts about the same thing will be reported to admin.
 
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