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The degenerates just still don't get it

Alan Shore

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Rleague said:
Preview: Dragons to finish Minor Premiers
Mon Dec 15, 11:14pm (NSW)
Written by: Damien Herb
Source: NRL.rleague.com Website
Already there has been a significant build up to the 2004 National Rugby League Season despite the fact that it is still some three months away. That has not stopped supporters, critics and players continuously discussing what is likely to take place in the 7th NRL competition. Rugby League and the Telstra Premiership now looks as healthy as it has been since 1994.

However, a decade later may produce the most even competition ever with only Manly and Souths looking out of their league. So how can one predict what will happen in the new premiership, who should punters put money on. Well it's as simple as following statistics and coming to s sensible conclusion. Unfortunately in the modern game the majority of a teams fortune relies on injuries to key players.

So who will finish minor premiers, who will be the NRL bolters and who will be the major disappointment of 2004. Lets now have a look at an unbiased guide to NRL 2004:

Going on results from the previous 6 years I believe that the St.George-Illawarra Dragons will finish minor premiers after 26 rounds. I am not saying that they will win the comp, but I believe they have the talent to finish in the top 4. Every minor premier from 1999 onwards has come from 7th or lower the previous season to finish minor premier. In 1999 the Sharks claimed the minor premiership title after missing the top 10 in 1998. A year later the Broncos sat on top of the tree after scraping on to 8th spot in 1999. And so it goes on, Parramatta had a record breaking 2001 on top of the table after finishing just 7th in the year 2000. In 2001 the Warriors made the finals for the first time in 8th, the year after they claimed poll position. And finally the fairytale of all fairy tales with Penrith coming from third last to minor premiers and winning the premiership.

If you look at the bottom 9 sides from 2003 it can be noted that not many have the talent or credentials to be challenging for the number 1 title in 2004. Newcastle and Brisbane had poor years and will improve but both are in rebuilding stages and will settle for spots in the eight.

Parramatta has recruited well but has also lost a number of players. I believe they will improve but will struggle to make an impression on the top 4. Manly and Souths will battle it out for the spoon. The Cowboys will continue to improve and get a touch closer to a historic first ever Finals series, while the Tigers will at last be competitive for the majority of the season.

This only leaves the Sharks and the Dragons. In alot of cases people have tipped the Sharks to finish high in the top 8. My opinion is they will struggle to field a spot in the top 10. They have no 5/8, three centres and they forward pack is stable at best. Jason Stevens seemed extremely uninterested in football last year and he and fellow front rowers will have to muscle up.

Therefore as the Dragons backline contains the likes of Blacklock, Cooper and Gasnier, coupled with one of the most dynamic halves pairings in the league Barrett and Firman I believe they are able to play a much higher quality football than what they did in 2003. Add to this their forward pack involving two international front rowers, and Timmins at lock packing in behind Lance Thompson, and the Dragons show why they are potentially very dangerous. 2004 is also a big year for Mark Riddell who will need to step up to a higher consistency level.

The rest of my predictions are as follows:

1. Dragons - About time they fired. A team full of rep stars will stay injury free and push right up until week 3 of the finals.

2. Warriors - Had a very impressive year missing their 5/8, hooker PJ Marsh and big Ali for the majority of the year. One wonders what they can achieve if those three along with Stacey Jones can stay fit.

3. Panthers - Will continue to be a force in the competition. One wonders whether they can reproduce their 2003 form with the amount of rep players from their side in 2004.

4. Roosters - Disappointment of 2003 will haunt Ricky's side I'm afraid and although they will still be a hard team to beat they will not contest the grand final

5. Knights - About time they had some luck with injuries. Their last two seasons have been devastated by injury to Johns, Kennedy, Buderus, Simpson, O'Davis and Hughes. Andrew Johns will be looking to make amends for the fact that the last full Finals match he played in was the 2001 Grand Final some two and a half years a ago.

6. Bulldogs - Unfortunately it will be downhill for the Doggies, and depending on other results could find themselves booted out of the finals before they realise it. Their outside backs all of a sudden lack depth and potency and unless Anasta can regain his once stellar form the Dogs look in grave danger of slipping down the ladder.

7. Eels - Brian Smith and the Eels do not take to kindly to being unsuccessful and being told this. The Eels and their coach copped alot of flack in 2003 after a dreadful start to the season. Once again if their big three (Cayless, Hindmarsh and Vella) can stay fit, and Dykes and Witt can feed some good ball to Lyon they should challenge well into the finals. The depth in their backline is a worry.

8. Broncos - I would not be surprised if this prediction is wrong and the Broncos finish in the top couple, however it could be just as likely that they miss the eight all together. The addition of Motu Tony will add some spark to their backline, but it is their aging forward pack and untried halves combination which will be a major worry. Add this to the grueling representative schedule and things look bleak up in Brissie.

9. Wests Tigers - The brightest year for the Tigers since their inception in 2000. With a number of new recruits the Tigers on paper should be a stiff challenger for a top 6 position. I believe they will sit in this position for the majority of 2004 but at the final hurdle will fall with important games in the last 8 rounds. Their backrow will be their strength as well as young guns like Hodgson, Richards, Prince, Clayton, Fitzhenry, Wilson and Marshall, the Tigers will be a major improver in 2004.

10. Storm - Despite having a champagne 2003 season the Storm always looked a class below the top sides when it came to the crunch. And despite having Scott Hill back for 2004 I believe they will struggle to reproduce a successful finals birth two years in a row. They will still be competitive before falling short in the closing rounds of 2004.

11. Sharks - The Sharks will get off to a slow start to the year before coming good much too late. Kimmorley will have a much better season but it will not be enough to lead the Sharks out of oblivion and into the finals.

12. Raiders - Although the Raiders do have a classy side, it was hard to see them beating some of the other top sides if the full complement of players are available. Expect Canberra to sit at the bottom of the eight for most of 2004 before falling in the final 10 6 rounds as more desperate sides take over.

13. Cowboys - With the return of Nathan Fien the men from up North will improve their quality of football in 2004. However with stars like Sing, Campion and Morrison aging the Cowboys will not have enough to go the distance with most teams. They will challenge for a Finals birth but in the most evenly contested premiership yet, they will struggle to make an imprint on the top 10.

14. Sea Eagles - They too have made some handy acquisitions such as Andrew Walker, but in doing so have also lost some great young talent. Luke Dorn and Aaron Cannings both looked to have strong futures at Brookvale only to be let go to power clubs Parramatta and the Roosters. Their lack of depth will be costly and they will fight the Rabbitohs to avoid the dreaded 15th spot.

15. Souths - I honestly believe Souths will improve remarkably on their 2003/2004 form. They and the Eagles will finish level on competition points only for percentages to hand them three spoon in a row. The form of Willie Peters was worrying last year, the return of Scott Geddes and some young outside backs will add spark but I do not believe Paul Langmack is the right coach to lead the Bunnies out of the doldrums.

So like it or lump it that is the guide to the 2004 NRL Telstra Premiership. There will be some major shocks and surprises, but as I said before unfortunately in the modern game a sides fortune depends greatly on injuries to key personal.

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:D :D :D

A great laugh!

The Dragons are always lucky to scramble into the 8, then they try and roll the dice, all the while patting themselves on the back over their shitty over rated side with dicky knee timmins, injured gasnier, over rated thompson, ryles and barrett...the only player worth it is Bailey, and hey, even Souths have a good player in Bryan Fletcher. I predict 9th or 10th for them.
 

shadowboxer

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Very Funny. You put 100 hundred monkeys in front of a 100 hundred typewriters and what do you get?
 

Macca

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You know I think they are pretty close to the mark. You just have to disregard everything they said about St. Geo-Illa and the Sharks.

You know why teams from the lower half of the comp get up and become minor premiers and sometimes premiers?

It's because they are not as analysed as much the top teams.

With the current era of computer stats and video footage, coaches can analyse what ever they want. They tend to get hung up on the better sides.

Why do new coaches win premierships in their first year so often now?

It's because they aren't analysed as much because they have no history.

Why did Opes' flat style fail here. Cause it was analysed and he didn't adjust it.

Why did Parramatta go from minor premiers to nobody's. Cause Smith didn't evlove.

You look at the great coaches, they were always changing something. The opposition can't analyse what they havn't seen.

You have to play a new style of footy every week. The Roosters do it and they do it well.

Let's hope Stuey Raper can join these coaches and we can suprise a few teams like Penrith did this year.

You have to evolve.

BTW - whoever wrote that was a St. Geo-Illa supporter.
 

imasharkie

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McSharkie said:
Why do new coaches win premierships in their first year so often now?

It's because they aren't analysed as much because they have no history.
Stuey has history in England McSharkie



Let's hope Stuey Raper can join these coaches and we can suprise a few teams like Penrith did this year.
I hope you're right on this one McSharkie.
 

Macca

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blueboatboy2 said:
McSharkie said:
Why do new coaches win premierships in their first year so often now?

It's because they aren't analysed as much because they have no history.
Stuey has history in England McSharkie

Thats like saying Ricky Stuart had history in reserve grade. Or Michael Hagan had history with Hunter Mariners. What Raper had in England doesn't compare to what Raper has at his disposal with the Sharks.

I hope they do study his time in England, because I can't see him using the same strategies here.
 
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Here we go every site and newspaper will rank the teams, we will be everywhere from 1st to 13th, who cares, only counts if you win on first sunday night in October, nothing less will do
 

Special K

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A few weeks back a writer on rleague said we'd finish first, get to the grand final and lose to the warriors.

..and he was a eels fan :?
 

Macca

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Only if it has an SH in it. "I'm getting an SH do you know a footy side with a SH in it?"

Sharks?

"OK, they will win." :D/ =D> :D
 

Jimbo

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If that mob of filthy, wife-beating degenerates make the top 4, I'll run naked from Shark Park to Gymea, then raffle myself off to the oldest chick in the Vinyl Room...
 

dannyboy

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Somebody please save Jimbo's post.

It might just make it worth it for the Drags to get to the top 4 (and bomb out from there of course)
 

Macca

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God damn it JIMBO!!!!! Those sorts of post are totally uneccessary! Now some strange part of me wants St.Geo-Illa to make the top 4. Not really.
 

Jimbo

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Hmmm, come to think of it, I might have just turned every chick on the hill into a closet Merged Scum supporter!! :shock: :?

I might need to reconsider, for their sake...
 

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