The Johns sob story continues

[The Colonel]

I'm sick of all this do-gooder crap about "Joey must pay".

He swore. Who gives a toss? I don't.

In all of this drama, Joey has only uttered two words. The rest has all been others commenting and his manager writing that turd today.

Let him off. He is the best player in the game and we want to watch him play while we still can. Suspend him for foul play, not foul language.

The issue isn't swearing - never has been, never will be. The issue at hand is the abuse of an official. There is a difference which I think you fail to comprehend.

Bad language is used on the field every day but the abuse of the officials should not be tolerated at any level. Regardless of the situation Johns should not have called Cecchin a f**king c***.

 

[skeepe]

now bloody Beazley has waded into it

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Dont-quit-Australia-Joey-Beazley/2006/08/16/1155407858970.html


somebody please shoot me

Howard has also put his 2 cents worth in

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20147458-2,00.html

 

[nqboy]

How ard made more sense than Beazley.

 

[Nickeel]

The TJ cost him the top 4 spot. Had they scored a try. They would've been in the top 4. He reacted to the TJ costing his team the chance to get the try. The TJ made the wrong call and has not paid for it. It's happening far too often where TJ and refs are making sh*t decisions and nothing happens.

If you want to talk about refereeing decisions costing teams games, let's ask Canberra fans what they thought of Newcastle's pass for the match-winner in their last clash? Or ask Tigers fans what they reckon about their last minute loss to Newcastle at Campbelltown?

It all balances out. God knows Parra copped some shockers in the first half of the year and now seem to be getting the rub at the right stage of the year. Any such decision does not justify Johns carrying on like an utter tool.

Nick

 

[Gene Krupa]

What? So 50 threads on the subject aren't enough?

 

[nqboy]

We copped some BS decisions from Badger over the ditch last weekend, but we deserved them the way we were playing.

 

[fatshark]

I just lookes at news.com.In the main caption is Johns with John Howard. It the headline section is a photo of Johns, and in the sports headline is a photo oof Johns.3 photos on the same f**king page.Push that barrow..

 

[Gene Krupa]

Howard has also put his 2 cents worth in

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20147458-2,00.html

Politicians throwing stones for bad language and behaviour? Watchout for that glass house you live in Johnny and Kim!

 

[Ice777]

The TJ cost him the top 4 spot. Had they scored a try. They would've been in the top 4. He reacted to the TJ costing his team the chance to get the try. The TJ made the wrong call and has not paid for it. It's happening far too often where TJ and refs are making sh*t decisions and nothing happens.

I understand they may have been in the top 4 IF they scored they try but they may very well not have. What i meant by original point when i asked who cost the Knights a top 4 spot the touchie or Joey not a top 4 spot this week, but a top 4 spot at the end of round 26.

Considering there's only 2 weeks to go and the Knights record playing without Joey, i reckon it's pretty fair to say that if he'd kept his mouth shut and copped it on the chin, he'd still be playing and they'd stand a much better chance of finishing top 4 with him in the team than without him in the team.

They can still finish up there, but the chances of that happening now are much less than what they were after he opened his wordhole.

 

[Gus22]

The irony of this situation is that Johns is contributing to the problem he is unhappy about.

Johns' issue appears to be that incompetent officials are creating a situation where player frustrations are surfacing & expressed through abusive language & gestures. So therefore, if we had better officials making the right decisions more often, then abusing officials would be rare, right?

There in lays the irony. If a Johns dummy spit is seen by impressionable youngsters as part of the game & not punishable, they will immitate the action on local parks every weekend. Would-be competent officials of the future at that junior level soon tire of the abuse & often walk away from possible careers as professional referees or linesmen. The talent pool is eroded & we are left with the best of the rest to choose from.

The NRL needs to send a clear message that abusing officials, regardless of the tension in a match is not on - for anyone. Johns needs to be made an example of. I don't know that it warrants a 4 week suspension though. One or maybe two weeks would be sensible.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

I could barely care less about what Joey did when he sweared at the touchie. It's bad, possibly, but hardly anything to make such a fuss about.

What is starting to sh*t me is how he has reacted since then. He's acting like the biggest prima donna the game has ever seen, all over a decision which in fairness was unlikely to have any consequence in the grand scheme of things. Ok, if the call is made correctly - what happens? Knights get two more tackles? Yet people are going on about it as if the Knights were denied a fair try or something. Joey wants to leave the NRL because of THAT? Give me a break.

Actually mate, we could have gone to outright 3rd position, and with the 2 very easy games we have comming up now + the bye, it would really have set us up well for a charge @ the premiership.

And dont forget none of the 50/50 calls went our way and there were 3 calls that went against them that have been proven to be out and utterly wrong.

I dont condone the swearing at officials but I can certainly understand how he was off his head with frustration.

 

[mxlegend99]

I understand they may have been in the top 4 IF they scored they try but they may very well not have. What i meant by original point when i asked who cost the Knights a top 4 spot the touchie or Joey not a top 4 spot this week, but a top 4 spot at the end of round 26.

How was Joey to know he would be facing 3 to 4 weeks for swearing at an official? All that was on his mind at the time was winning that game. They were in a great position to do it, and the touch judge made the wrong call which cost him the chance he had to win it.

IConsidering there's only 2 weeks to go and the Knights record playing without Joey, i reckon it's pretty fair to say that if he'd kept his mouth shut and copped it on the chin, he'd still be playing and they'd stand a much better chance of finishing top 4 with him in the team than without him in the team.

Ofcourse they would. But the punishment for swearing at an official is ridiculous. If anything, it should be a hefty fine. Not a suspension.

They can still finish up there, but the chances of that happening now are much less than what they were after he opened his wordhole.

Correct. Luckily they have 2 out of form teams to play. Cowboys who can't beat sh*t atm. And Panthers who have lost their last 6 or 7 away games? Including a game to Souths.

 

[panthersballboy]

The ref's this year have been attrocious. They have all been effen cees and the NRL keep defending their diabolical decisions. They need to drop Clarke, Simpkins and the blind touchie and then maybe we might get some decent decisions in the semi's. If they rub Joey out of the finals, then the finals will lose some of it's spark. I know I was excited at the prospect of seeing him play his first semi game in 4 years.

 

[bulldog]

How many weeks would Mason cop if he did what Joey did?

Good question, he'd be public enemy number one again and there would be calls to rub him out of the game, claims that he's bringing league into disrepute and being a negative influence on any kids watching.

What if it was a fringe first grader? What if it wasn't picked up by cameras and microphones? If the papers couldn't turn it into a story I'm sure Joey would have apologised by now and it all would have blown over, but as usual our administration is terrified of bad publicity and bows to pressure all too easily.

The fact that it is now such a big story means Joey definitely will not escape without punishment, it just wouldn't look good.

 

[Ice777]

Was it just me or did anyone else hear Joey swearing at Simpkins a month or so ago against Melbourne and was censured for that and told to keep his gob shut? How many times can you go around swearing and calling the officials anything you want before something gets done about it? Everyone defending him is going on like it's an isolated issue when that's just not the case.

Once again it's not that he swore, it's what he called the TJ and no matter how sh*t the call was, you just can't do it and he should've known better. That's just my opinion :sarcasm:

 

[lockyno1]

Actually mate, we could have gone to outright 3rd position, and with the 2 very easy games we have comming up now + the bye, it would really have set us up well for a charge @ the premiership.

And dont forget none of the 50/50 calls went our way and there were 3 calls that went against them that have been proven to be out and utterly wrong.

I dont condone the swearing at officials but I can certainly understand how he was off his head with frustration.

Sorry, I didn't hear you knights fans saying sorry after the inept decision to the Sharks when you played them. Joey threw the ball at the ref and it should have been a Sharks feed. To me that is a bigger mistake than a 50/50 call. You get some good ones and some bad ones!

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

The issue isn't swearing - never has been, never will be. The issue at hand is the abuse of an official. There is a difference which I think you fail to comprehend.

Bad language is used on the field every day but the abuse of the officials should not be tolerated at any level. Regardless of the situation Johns should not have called Cecchin a f**king c***.

His penalty would not have been as severe if he came out afterwards showing some remorse for his actions. Instead in his article in the weekend paper, he tried to justify his actions and claimed the touchie should have been the one apologising to him.

 

[The Colonel]

His penalty would not have been as severe if he came out afterwards showing some remorse for his actions. Instead in his article in the weekend paper, he tried to justify his actions and claimed the touchie should have been the one apologising to him.

I think he has dug himself in deeper and deeper each day since. He was better off apologising the next day and facing whatever music came his way on Monday. He jumped on the defensive the next day and the NRL weren't really given a choice.

The other thing is everyone is whinging about him receiving four weeks. The only reason he has four weeks is because of striking Josh Lewis. It was a three weeks suspension with two weeks on an early guilty plea. Most agree that two weeks was sufficient but like others who have previous infringements he has to wear them as well.

 

[Ice777]

His penalty would not have been as severe if he came out afterwards showing some remorse for his actions. Instead in his article in the weekend paper, he tried to justify his actions and claimed the touchie should have been the one apologising to him.

Yep you're right. Saying "I'm not apologising, he should apologise to me" or words to that affect reeks of arrogance and it certainly never helped his cause. If he had've come out and said it straight away he may have got the grading that he looking to get tonight after contesting it.

I now read on Foxsports he's planning on apologising profusely tonight to all involved. Better late than never i suppose, no matter how insincere it's going to come across after flat out refusing to do it in the first place.

 

[mxlegend99]

Sorry, I didn't hear you knights fans saying sorry after the inept decision to the Sharks when you played them. Joey threw the ball at the ref and it should have been a Sharks feed. To me that is a bigger mistake than a 50/50 call. You get some good ones and some bad ones!

Uhhhh none of the players even knew that's how the rules were written, nor did the referee. Because the rule didn't make sense. Or the rule did, but the definition of attacking team didn't.

Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Why do people use other wrongs to make out as though Joey should just accept the referee making the wrong decision? No wonder referees/touchies don't give a sh*t anymore. The public defends them when they get things wrong. God forbid a player expecting them to do their job.