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Jamberoo

Juniors
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What I'd like to know is, why is 61k and 44k so bad? They are the first two NRL club games ever played in the US and first time in prime time on FS1. In essence, the ratings are pretty good for a sport they've never heard of. As I pointed out previously, there are three or 4 AFL clubs that rate around that in their own country
Nah. You’re making that up. Which AFL clubs pull less than 61k? Don’t think any AFL or NRL game has ever rated that low. The Giants are the lowest rating AFL team at an average of 250k.
 

Vlad59

Bench
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Nah. You’re making that up. Which AFL clubs pull less than 61k? Don’t think any AFL or NRL game has ever rated that low. The Giants are the lowest rating AFL team at an average of 250k.
They have for individual games. He may have referred to that. But the average would be well in excess of 61,0000
 

emesssea

Juniors
Messages
101
What I'd like to know is, why is 61k and 44k so bad? They are the first two NRL club games ever played in the US and first time in prime time on FS1. In essence, the ratings are pretty good for a sport they've never heard of. As I pointed out previously, there are three or 4 AFL clubs that rate around that in their own country

I dont think its bad for the reasons you stated, but I do think its a bit of a disappointment. Think may were hoping at least a 100k for the firm game. I saw on twitter someone defending these numbers by reminding everyone this is what the AFL typically gets on FS1. The way I interpret that is after going all out and making a big deal about this the NRL got the same ratings as a late night program filler. I imagine these were sobering numbers for the NRL, and hopefully they'll learn from them.

I think if they are unwilling to kick off at 700 pm US east coast time/11 am AUS east coast time, then theyll struggle to make inroads in the US. With that said, I wonder even if they wanted to start at 700 pm could they? We have a packed schedule as it, on that Saturday we had ~ 10 hours of european soccer, ~12 hours of college basketball, spring training baseball, MLS, NHL, NBA. Not sure if there is room in the schedule to move them up earlier.

As I said before, I saw no advertisement on FS1 for these games. But again is that the NRLs fault? Its not like they can force Fox to run promos during their other programming. Also Fox is notorious for going through the motion of their sports coverage outside of football. Ask any soccer fan and theyll be happy that Fox as gotten out of european soccer.

Going back to kick off times, Im not sure how much the NRL can realistically gain from the US when this is the kick off times for the next round:

Thr: 500 am
Fri: 300 am, 500 am
Sat: 1200 am, 230 am, 435 am
Sun: 105 am, 315 am
 

Canard

Immortal
Messages
35,608
What I'd like to know is, why is 61k and 44k so bad? They are the first two NRL club games ever played in the US and first time in prime time on FS1. In essence, the ratings are pretty good for a sport they've never heard of. As I pointed out previously, there are three or 4 AFL clubs that rate around that in their own country
I think because many here, and within the press talked about how it being on FS1 meant it was available to Millions. (the Fox Sports team was especially over the top with this)

And some were speculating they would be the highest rating RL matches of all time.
 

Canard

Immortal
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They have for individual games. He may have referred to that. But the average would be well in excess of 61,0000
I think you're getting confused with single city ratings. Like what it got in Sydney on FTA alone

No NRL or AFL rates that low. That's ALeague or Super Rugby numbers.
 

Vlad59

Bench
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I think you're getting confused with single city ratings. Like what it got in Sydney on FTA alone

No NRL or AFL rates that low. That's ALeague or Super Rugby numbers.
No I’m not. Im talking about the lowest rating afl games on fox as reported on websites in recent years. They get some shockers. It’s not common but it has happened for them to get ratings under 80000 and as low as 60000. Likely to be a GWS or Suns game being played at the same time as another game but it has happened. That’s the problem scheduling 9 games that take an eternity to play. It’s another reason we don’t want quarters especially when we move to 18 teams.
 

Iamback

Referee
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No I’m not. Im talking about the lowest rating afl games on fox as reported on websites in recent years. They get some shockers. It’s not common but it has happened for them to get ratings under 80000 and as low as 60000. Likely to be a GWS or Suns game being played at the same time as another game but it has happened. That’s the problem scheduling 9 games that take an eternity to play. It’s another reason we don’t want quarters especially when we move to 18 teams.

Yep. Games like say GWS v Suns would live on ch7 into that market.

While ch7 in the other states show another game.
 

Vlad59

Bench
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Yep. Games like say GWS v Suns would live on ch7 into that market.

While ch7 in the other states show another game.
They get some awful ratings on Saturdays and Sundays. Their big rating games are Thursday and Friday. But now we have ‘reach’ they can just bullshit their way through this.
 

Canard

Immortal
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No I’m not. Im talking about the lowest rating afl games on fox as reported on websites in recent years. They get some shockers. It’s not common but it has happened for them to get ratings under 80000 and as low as 60000. Likely to be a GWS or Suns game being played at the same time as another game but it has happened. That’s the problem scheduling 9 games that take an eternity to play. It’s another reason we don’t want quarters especially when we move to 18 teams.
Im not across the AFL as much as you are.

You got any links for this, I'd love to shit talk local Melbournians about it.

@The_Wookie do you have this data?
 

taste2taste

Juniors
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The NRL knows it needs to snare a free-to-air TV deal in the US, and it is about to start looking for a network to take the game.

As we told you last week, Fox boss Lachlan Murdoch was at the Las Vegas double-header last weekend, and he kept his word by popping in to see ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and those in his box at the game.

What is more important is finding a free-to-air network to partner the game in America. It’s all very well to land a deal with Fox Sports 1, but look at the sports in Australia that are only on pay TV – they are either struggling or on the way out. Free-to-air TV still has an advantage.
Right now, though, the link with Fox is invaluable. Murdoch, accompanied by his wife Sarah, mingled for about half an hour. He was warm to everyone in the box and his appearance showed how much he thinks of the sport. At this moment, Murdoch more than any other person holds the key to the NRL cracking the US.
 

taste2taste

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2,467
Part 2

Plenty of commentators seized on the unimpressive TV figures in the US. But what did they expect when the game was on Fox Sports 1, where viewers had no real idea of what they were watching.

Yes, there was the brilliant explainer from Russell Crowe, and a decent campaign to promote the game on the channel, but the sport is still hugely unknown.

The only time I saw the game mentioned on American news was on the local Fox network in Las Vegas. Even then, it was a throwaway mention. The fans got just as much publicity as the actual games did in the lead-up.

Afterwards, it was usually a mention at the end of a sports break, with no context as to what the game was about and why the players were here.

Murdoch can throw the NRL airtime on his channel but, in the end, the game may have to come out from behind the pay TV wall. You have to wonder whether that is possible. Knowing the way V’landys and his team operate, they will be looking at every possible avenue to make this a success.
 

Iamback

Referee
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They get some awful ratings on Saturdays and Sundays. Their big rating games are Thursday and Friday. But now we have ‘reach’ they can just bullshit their way through this.

That is when the ch7 game changes to suit the market. Fox aren't using Reach atleast
 
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From every Sharks supporter, Thank you PVL and Vegas!!!
hahaha




Cronulla Sharks secure $5 million windfall after a big night in New York​

Sharks powerbrokers have detailed an extraordinary 48-hours that has resulted in an immediate $5 million cash injection from one of Australia’s most influential businessmen.

ARLC chairman Peter V’landys vowed that the NRL’s US odyssey would result in new revenue streams.
And here’s the proof.
Sharks powerbrokers have detailed an extraordinary 48-hours in New York that has resulted in an immediate $5 million cash injection from one of Australia’s most influential businessmen.
Flying from the NRL season launch in Las Vegas to New York last Sunday, Sharks chairman Steve Mace and CEO Dino Mezzatesta met with Mike Dorrell, the CEO and co-founder of US$61 billion global investment firm Stonepeak.
From a meeting with Dorrell at his plush New York offices, Cronulla’s most significant decision-makers were taken to dinner at one of the Big Apple’s most exclusive clubs.
Over a lavish meal, the Sharks even offered Dorrell, a tragic Cronulla fan, the chance to FaceTime club legend Andrew Ettingshausen.
Born in Sutherland Shire with his father a teacher of Port Hacking High, Dorrell owns Stonepeak, an American investment powerhouse headquartered in New York City.
The firm invests in infrastructure, with offices in Hong Kong, Houston, London, Sydney and Singapore.

It is the largest independent infrastructure investment firm in the world.
Ironically for the Sharks, who are eager to be chosen as one of the four teams that are given the chance to play in Las Vegas next year, Stonepeak acquired The Cosmopolitan Hotel in Sin City for US $5.65 billion in 2022.
The decision by Dorrell to support rugby league, is not only a major coup for the Sharks via a multimillion-dollar donation, but also the entire game.
It speaks to V’landys guarantee that the game’s push into the US market would open up new relationships.
At a time where the Sharks are pushing to overcome major delays with the opening of their new Leagues Club, Cronulla’s ability to receive a $5 million cash bonus from Dorrell after just 48-hours in New York is an extraordinary win for the Shire-based club.
Dorrell had sent Mezzatesta and Mace a message last January introducing himself and his love for the Sharks.
It led to the Sharks executive’s wrapping-up their Las Vegas experience on Sunday to fly to New York to meet Dorrell, alongside his brothers, Lucas and Ben, also Sharks fans living in the US.
The group then went next door to members-only restaurant ZZ’s Club New York.
Dorrell said he had been watching from afar the swift transition of the Sharks from near bankruptcy to asset strong under the stewardship of Mace and Mezzatesta, which is what triggered his approach to be part of the continual growth of the Shire-based club.

“This is for the Sharks club and fans,‘’ Dorrell said of his multimillion-dollar cash gift to the club.
“I have followed the Sharks religiously since I was a young boy, from Steve Rogers, to ET (Ettingshausen) and Mark ”Sparkles” McGaw, to David Peachey and onwards.
“I have watched and re-watched the 2016 Grand Final, a game which gave every Sharks fan a near heart attack in the final minutes, followed by a multi-generational outpouring of joy when we won.
“My dad taught at Port Hacking High School and is a Sharks fan.
“My brother Simon played professionally. Rugby League is in our blood.
“I can’t speak highly enough about the current players and management.
“Let’s not wait 50 years for another premiership.”
Mace said Dorrell’s investment in the Sharks was validation for the club’s trajectory.
“Mike’s support and involvement with the Sharks will undoubtedly bring a significant boost to our reputation and financial standing,” Mace said.
“Both Dino and myself are delighted to welcome lifelong Sharks supporters into the club’s family.
“We didn’t know what to expect. We hit it off immediately with Mike, Lucas and Ben. Like old mates with a shared love of the game.
“The collaboration with the Dorrell family is expected to provide invaluable support to the Sharks and further elevate the club’s stature.”

Mezzatesta said the NRL’s decision to promote the game into the US provided an extraordinary conduit to Dorrell, while also pushing the Sharks hopes for a Las Vegas start in 2025.
“The NRL gave us all a reason to enjoy our game in the USA and the Dorrell family are hopeful they will be watching their team, the Sharks, play in Vegas for 2025,” Mezzatesta said.
The Sharks aren’t the only team to have received an immediate benefit from spending time in the US.

As revealed by The Daily Telegraph, Manly have held talks with the UFC over an alliance that could culminate in 4 Pines Park being turned into a modern 20,000 seat stadium with a roof.
Sea Eagles chair and majority owner Scott Penn met UFC powerbrokers while in Las Vegas for the club’s season opener against South Sydney, where they discussed a potential partnership that would result in the UFC using 4 Pines Park as their training base in Australia.
Elsewhere, the president of NFL team the San Francisco 49ers has expressed an interest in potentially purchasing an NRL team.


Sharks’ secret meeting with $61 billion man
 

Vlad59

Bench
Messages
4,048
From every Sharks supporter, Thank you PVL and Vegas!!!
hahaha




Cronulla Sharks secure $5 million windfall after a big night in New York​

Sharks powerbrokers have detailed an extraordinary 48-hours that has resulted in an immediate $5 million cash injection from one of Australia’s most influential businessmen.

ARLC chairman Peter V’landys vowed that the NRL’s US odyssey would result in new revenue streams.
And here’s the proof.
Sharks powerbrokers have detailed an extraordinary 48-hours in New York that has resulted in an immediate $5 million cash injection from one of Australia’s most influential businessmen.
Flying from the NRL season launch in Las Vegas to New York last Sunday, Sharks chairman Steve Mace and CEO Dino Mezzatesta met with Mike Dorrell, the CEO and co-founder of US$61 billion global investment firm Stonepeak.
From a meeting with Dorrell at his plush New York offices, Cronulla’s most significant decision-makers were taken to dinner at one of the Big Apple’s most exclusive clubs.
Over a lavish meal, the Sharks even offered Dorrell, a tragic Cronulla fan, the chance to FaceTime club legend Andrew Ettingshausen.
Born in Sutherland Shire with his father a teacher of Port Hacking High, Dorrell owns Stonepeak, an American investment powerhouse headquartered in New York City.
The firm invests in infrastructure, with offices in Hong Kong, Houston, London, Sydney and Singapore.

It is the largest independent infrastructure investment firm in the world.
Ironically for the Sharks, who are eager to be chosen as one of the four teams that are given the chance to play in Las Vegas next year, Stonepeak acquired The Cosmopolitan Hotel in Sin City for US $5.65 billion in 2022.
The decision by Dorrell to support rugby league, is not only a major coup for the Sharks via a multimillion-dollar donation, but also the entire game.
It speaks to V’landys guarantee that the game’s push into the US market would open up new relationships.
At a time where the Sharks are pushing to overcome major delays with the opening of their new Leagues Club, Cronulla’s ability to receive a $5 million cash bonus from Dorrell after just 48-hours in New York is an extraordinary win for the Shire-based club.
Dorrell had sent Mezzatesta and Mace a message last January introducing himself and his love for the Sharks.
It led to the Sharks executive’s wrapping-up their Las Vegas experience on Sunday to fly to New York to meet Dorrell, alongside his brothers, Lucas and Ben, also Sharks fans living in the US.
The group then went next door to members-only restaurant ZZ’s Club New York.
Dorrell said he had been watching from afar the swift transition of the Sharks from near bankruptcy to asset strong under the stewardship of Mace and Mezzatesta, which is what triggered his approach to be part of the continual growth of the Shire-based club.

“This is for the Sharks club and fans,‘’ Dorrell said of his multimillion-dollar cash gift to the club.
“I have followed the Sharks religiously since I was a young boy, from Steve Rogers, to ET (Ettingshausen) and Mark ”Sparkles” McGaw, to David Peachey and onwards.
“I have watched and re-watched the 2016 Grand Final, a game which gave every Sharks fan a near heart attack in the final minutes, followed by a multi-generational outpouring of joy when we won.
“My dad taught at Port Hacking High School and is a Sharks fan.
“My brother Simon played professionally. Rugby League is in our blood.
“I can’t speak highly enough about the current players and management.
“Let’s not wait 50 years for another premiership.”
Mace said Dorrell’s investment in the Sharks was validation for the club’s trajectory.
“Mike’s support and involvement with the Sharks will undoubtedly bring a significant boost to our reputation and financial standing,” Mace said.
“Both Dino and myself are delighted to welcome lifelong Sharks supporters into the club’s family.
“We didn’t know what to expect. We hit it off immediately with Mike, Lucas and Ben. Like old mates with a shared love of the game.
“The collaboration with the Dorrell family is expected to provide invaluable support to the Sharks and further elevate the club’s stature.”

Mezzatesta said the NRL’s decision to promote the game into the US provided an extraordinary conduit to Dorrell, while also pushing the Sharks hopes for a Las Vegas start in 2025.
“The NRL gave us all a reason to enjoy our game in the USA and the Dorrell family are hopeful they will be watching their team, the Sharks, play in Vegas for 2025,” Mezzatesta said.
The Sharks aren’t the only team to have received an immediate benefit from spending time in the US.

As revealed by The Daily Telegraph, Manly have held talks with the UFC over an alliance that could culminate in 4 Pines Park being turned into a modern 20,000 seat stadium with a roof.
Sea Eagles chair and majority owner Scott Penn met UFC powerbrokers while in Las Vegas for the club’s season opener against South Sydney, where they discussed a potential partnership that would result in the UFC using 4 Pines Park as their training base in Australia.
Elsewhere, the president of NFL team the San Francisco 49ers has expressed an interest in potentially purchasing an NRL team.


Sharks’ secret meeting with $61 billion man
FMD!
 

titoelcolombiano

First Grade
Messages
6,622
Nah. You’re making that up. Which AFL clubs pull less than 61k? Don’t think any AFL or NRL game has ever rated that low. The Giants are the lowest rating AFL team at an average of 250k.
Sorry, city, not country. And yes... that few people watch the Lions, Suns, Swans and Giants in their own city
 

Eion

First Grade
Messages
7,990
From every Sharks supporter, Thank you PVL and Vegas!!!
hahaha




Cronulla Sharks secure $5 million windfall after a big night in New York​

Sharks powerbrokers have detailed an extraordinary 48-hours that has resulted in an immediate $5 million cash injection from one of Australia’s most influential businessmen.

ARLC chairman Peter V’landys vowed that the NRL’s US odyssey would result in new revenue streams.
And here’s the proof.
Sharks powerbrokers have detailed an extraordinary 48-hours in New York that has resulted in an immediate $5 million cash injection from one of Australia’s most influential businessmen.
Flying from the NRL season launch in Las Vegas to New York last Sunday, Sharks chairman Steve Mace and CEO Dino Mezzatesta met with Mike Dorrell, the CEO and co-founder of US$61 billion global investment firm Stonepeak.
From a meeting with Dorrell at his plush New York offices, Cronulla’s most significant decision-makers were taken to dinner at one of the Big Apple’s most exclusive clubs.
Over a lavish meal, the Sharks even offered Dorrell, a tragic Cronulla fan, the chance to FaceTime club legend Andrew Ettingshausen.
Born in Sutherland Shire with his father a teacher of Port Hacking High, Dorrell owns Stonepeak, an American investment powerhouse headquartered in New York City.
The firm invests in infrastructure, with offices in Hong Kong, Houston, London, Sydney and Singapore.

It is the largest independent infrastructure investment firm in the world.
Ironically for the Sharks, who are eager to be chosen as one of the four teams that are given the chance to play in Las Vegas next year, Stonepeak acquired The Cosmopolitan Hotel in Sin City for US $5.65 billion in 2022.
The decision by Dorrell to support rugby league, is not only a major coup for the Sharks via a multimillion-dollar donation, but also the entire game.
It speaks to V’landys guarantee that the game’s push into the US market would open up new relationships.
At a time where the Sharks are pushing to overcome major delays with the opening of their new Leagues Club, Cronulla’s ability to receive a $5 million cash bonus from Dorrell after just 48-hours in New York is an extraordinary win for the Shire-based club.
Dorrell had sent Mezzatesta and Mace a message last January introducing himself and his love for the Sharks.
It led to the Sharks executive’s wrapping-up their Las Vegas experience on Sunday to fly to New York to meet Dorrell, alongside his brothers, Lucas and Ben, also Sharks fans living in the US.
The group then went next door to members-only restaurant ZZ’s Club New York.
Dorrell said he had been watching from afar the swift transition of the Sharks from near bankruptcy to asset strong under the stewardship of Mace and Mezzatesta, which is what triggered his approach to be part of the continual growth of the Shire-based club.

“This is for the Sharks club and fans,‘’ Dorrell said of his multimillion-dollar cash gift to the club.
“I have followed the Sharks religiously since I was a young boy, from Steve Rogers, to ET (Ettingshausen) and Mark ”Sparkles” McGaw, to David Peachey and onwards.
“I have watched and re-watched the 2016 Grand Final, a game which gave every Sharks fan a near heart attack in the final minutes, followed by a multi-generational outpouring of joy when we won.
“My dad taught at Port Hacking High School and is a Sharks fan.
“My brother Simon played professionally. Rugby League is in our blood.
“I can’t speak highly enough about the current players and management.
“Let’s not wait 50 years for another premiership.”
Mace said Dorrell’s investment in the Sharks was validation for the club’s trajectory.
“Mike’s support and involvement with the Sharks will undoubtedly bring a significant boost to our reputation and financial standing,” Mace said.
“Both Dino and myself are delighted to welcome lifelong Sharks supporters into the club’s family.
“We didn’t know what to expect. We hit it off immediately with Mike, Lucas and Ben. Like old mates with a shared love of the game.
“The collaboration with the Dorrell family is expected to provide invaluable support to the Sharks and further elevate the club’s stature.”

Mezzatesta said the NRL’s decision to promote the game into the US provided an extraordinary conduit to Dorrell, while also pushing the Sharks hopes for a Las Vegas start in 2025.
“The NRL gave us all a reason to enjoy our game in the USA and the Dorrell family are hopeful they will be watching their team, the Sharks, play in Vegas for 2025,” Mezzatesta said.
The Sharks aren’t the only team to have received an immediate benefit from spending time in the US.

As revealed by The Daily Telegraph, Manly have held talks with the UFC over an alliance that could culminate in 4 Pines Park being turned into a modern 20,000 seat stadium with a roof.
Sea Eagles chair and majority owner Scott Penn met UFC powerbrokers while in Las Vegas for the club’s season opener against South Sydney, where they discussed a potential partnership that would result in the UFC using 4 Pines Park as their training base in Australia.
Elsewhere, the president of NFL team the San Francisco 49ers has expressed an interest in potentially purchasing an NRL team.


Sharks’ secret meeting with $61 billion man
Far out, a $5M gift is good going!
 

Maximus

Coach
Messages
13,674
I think because many here, and within the press talked about how it being on FS1 meant it was available to Millions. (the Fox Sports team was especially over the top with this)

And some were speculating they would be the highest rating RL matches of all time.

It has been interesting seeing the changing narrative about FS1. When it got announced it was a massive win, it meant it was available to millions, we were going to average 500k-1m. Now everyone has seen the numbers and found out FS1 just isn't that big of a deal over there, all the arguments are that actually no we were expecting small viewer numbers because it's a small channel.
 

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