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the nrl and its need to grow

Haffa

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Gallop was a News Lackey he was never going to deliver anything unless Rupes gave the ok.
 
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Awaits the new NRL CEO coming in and spouting the same rhetoric
Any chance Perth had of having a NRL club has gone "Down the Swanny"
At least Dave Smith had vision where the NRL were debt free,a nd then expansion and what we will have is a new CEO who will do what the NRL clubs wants him/her to.
 

Perth Red

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Which was exactly the same "vision" Gallop claimed to have. Maybe it will be third time lucky?
 
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Which was exactly the same "vision" Gallop claimed to have. Maybe it will be third time lucky?
Gallop was a News Ltd lackey. Dave Smiths had the balls to stand up to them and because of the that Grant ticker went.
The next CEO of the NRL will be a a news Ltd lackeys which in overall terms means less and more debt for the clubs.
 

papabear

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Perth Red is right.

It is not basic business sense to secure what you have, in the sense being pushed by some.

Since the super league war, the sydney clubs have been on shaky grounds, and some before that. They are not becoming more or less shakyits just different clubs become shaky due to success / failure or drug taking rampages.

If adding two clubs will eventually add more to the coffers then it costs and lets be honest how can a perth and second brisbane side not add tv revenue / supporters / sponsors, then you have to take that opportunity. As those the above growth then leads you to being able to expand in other areas and take different opportunities.

In the end, it comes down to how strong you believe the product is. If it is strong, then lets sell it different markets.
 
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Perth Red is right.

It is not basic business sense to secure what you have, in the sense being pushed by some.

Since the super league war, the sydney clubs have been on shaky grounds, and some before that. They are not becoming more or less shakyits just different clubs become shaky due to success / failure or drug taking rampages.

If adding two clubs will eventually add more to the coffers then it costs and lets be honest how can a perth and second brisbane side not add tv revenue / supporters / sponsors, then you have to take that opportunity. As those the above growth then leads you to being able to expand in other areas and take different opportunities.

In the end, it comes down to how strong you believe the product is. If it is strong, then lets sell it different markets.
Dave Smiths plan was there to make the NRL like the German Bundesliga, debt free. He was applying simple business logic which is you can't have more going out than coming in. Like with most things certain NRL clubs can't see the bigger picture. Until certain NRL clubs put in proper business plans some clubs will always have huge debts.
He certainly didn't want to go down the aFL route of expansion at all costs and hope.
His plan was the right plan which was make all the NRL clubs debt free and then bring in expansion. Unfortunately certain clubs appear to have no business acumen.
 

papabear

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Nobody has ever suggested to follow the AFL and expand at all costs then hope.

Simply making basic business decisions to leverage your opportunities as opposed to being too afraid to make a decision.

There are always going to be strong clubs and ones that are struggling, same with the EPL, AFL everywhere, its just the nature of a competitive business, but its the NRLs job to grow the industry and expanding into the two said markets are no brainers!
 
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Nobody has ever suggested to follow the AFL and expand at all costs then hope.

Simply making basic business decisions to leverage your opportunities as opposed to being too afraid to make a decision.

There are always going to be strong clubs and ones that are struggling, same with the EPL, AFL everywhere, its just the nature of a competitive business, but its the NRLs job to grow the industry and expanding into the two said markets are no brainers!
I agree with you about the expansion clubs being a no brainer. Dave Smith just wanted all the NRL clubs debt free like the German Bundesliga before expansion.
Not a big ask for any business if it wants to be succesfull in the long term i would have thought
 

papabear

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Debt free is important and an admirable goal for clubs to strive for.

But it should be a separate and quite frankly minor issue compared to expansion.
 

BlueandGold

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Didn't the AFL just sign a $2.5billion media deal? It seems their hoping has paid off!


They Signed a 6 year deal, there deal over 5 years is worth closer to 2billion.

Thats a 750million increase or about 65% increase

That last year of the deal is the year that is worth the most.

So i dont think hoping has paid of at all, they signed a good deal but nothing like what your trying to make it out to be. ;-)
 

bobmar28

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They Signed a 6 year deal, there deal over 5 years is worth closer to 2billion.

Thats a 750million increase or about 65% increase

That last year of the deal is the year that is worth the most.

So i dont think hoping has paid of at all, they signed a good deal but nothing like what your trying to make it out to be. ;-)

2.5 billion is 2.5 billion no matter which way you look at it.
They might have been lucky with uncle Rupert but I think expansion has payed off big time for the AFL.
 
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2.5 billion is 2.5 billion no matter which way you look at it.
They might have been lucky with uncle Rupert but I think expansion has payed off big time for the AFL.

Our eight 2 hour games are worth almost as much as their nine 3 hour games. Minus the costs of the Suns and Giants, expansion as been a money pit.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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2.5 billion is 2.5 billion no matter which way you look at it.
They might have been lucky with uncle Rupert but I think expansion has payed off big time for the AFL.

Ok......

Lets leave the teams at 16 and sign a $10billion deal over 50 years.

We would win and not even need a perth team (apparently....)
 

Perth Red

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Let's wait until fox and Telstra stump up $1billion before getting silly shall we?

Expansion has helped afl deliver two significant increased media deals, the $35mill a year it is costing is chicken feed compared to what it has and will continue to deliver them. And that's before you take into account their long term strategy to have the public and corporate perception they are "Australia's game". They need a perception of a significant presence in expansion states as well as significant presence in their heartlands. They now have their desired footprint for the next 30 p,us years to deliver on that.

The NRL is spending $12mill a year on Melbourne for the same reason, it now needs some balls to invest in two more teams to bring in even more revenue and counter balance the "east coast only" perception of the game.
 
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Ironic A League wants to cut Wellington for a third Sydney team.

A third Sydney team, based in the Sutherland Shire, could be introduced as early as next year with Wellington Phoenix's future in the A-League up in the air.
As Sydney prepares for the first of three derbies this season, no fewer than nine derbies could light up the football calendar in future years with a team based in the Sutherland Shire looming as a likely to take over Wellington Phoenix's A-League licence.
The New Zealand club's licence expires at the end of the season and while no decision on their future has been made yet by the FFA, the groundwork for finding a replacement is well under way.
Several meetings to establish a new A-League club have taken place in recent weeks between the top brass at FFA, Sutherland Shire Council, NRL club Cronulla and the Sutherland Shire Football Association, the largest football association in NSW and potentially Australia.
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The FFA has ruled out expansion to a 12-team competition and confirmed any new team entering the competition would be at the expense of an existing club.
"There are no plans for expansion of the Hyundai A-League in the foreseeable future," head of the A-League Damien de Bohun said. "The strategy is all about sustainability of the national competition and stability of the current 10 clubs. It's a sign of the A-League's growing popularity that several regions around Australia are lobbying for a club in their markets, but that doesn't change our view that 10 is the right number of clubs."
Fairfax Media understands the governing body is looking at cutting all ties with New Zealand football, which offers little for Australian player development, broadcast revenue and A-League attendances. The Phoenix could be dumped as early as the end of this season, though no decision on an extension of their licence or a replacement bid has been made.
The FFA is already in negotiations with Fox Sports and major networks Nine, Ten and Seven over the next TV deal and an additional six derby games in Sydney would be an ideal drawcard for broadcasters in favour of ditching a New Zealand team.
The Sutherland Shire is not the only market the FFA is actively researching for a potential new club with a second team in Brisbane and a third in Melbourne also strongly considered.
An A-League bid from the south of Sydney – potentially also drawing from support in Wollongong – already has the full support of the local council. Sutherland Mayor Carmelo Pesce and councillor Kent Johns held talks with the FFA and would like a team based out of the region to enter "as soon as possible." Remondis Stadium in Woolooware – home of the Cronulla Sharks – is the council's preferred location for a team, rather than Jubilee Oval in Carlton.
"I believe the community of Sutherland Shire would be fully supportive of it and you would have my 100 per cent backing," Mayor Pesce said. "In our local soccer, we have more local players than anywhere in the state and maybe even Australia."
Shark Park is privately owned by the NRL club, which has joined the campaign for the region to be granted an A-League licence in order to accommodate another professional football club at the venue.
The NRL side has not discussed ownership of a potential A-League club with the FFA to establish a cross-code operation.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...on-phoenix-20151021-gkf17t.html#ixzz3pEpumtKf
 
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