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The officiating in the australia vs England match.

How did you rate the refereeing from sunday?

  • Top notch refereeing, can't fault them.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Great refereeing.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Apart from the odd mistake, pretty good.

    Votes: 2 4.1%
  • Made a few errors that were telling in the end.

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • To many mistake, took the contest out of the game.

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • Were they blind?

    Votes: 2 4.1%
  • Far to many mistake. Awarded 3 tries that weren't tries.

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • The refs destroyed what should have been a good game.

    Votes: 25 51.0%
  • The referees cost England the match.

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Worst refereeing i've ever seen in any code.

    Votes: 4 8.2%

  • Total voters
    49

sharko

Juniors
Messages
911
Archer has a shocker in the Grand Final, he gave the Dragons a dream run, why he was even considered for this match is beyond me..he was most definitely biased to one side and could not bring himself to even up near the end.
This tournament has been very odrinary to date, crowds are rubbish, football substandard..the only saving grace will be the Aussies versus the Kiwis.
 

Jose93

Juniors
Messages
44
Sheens can't be serious whinging about the referee, surely?

The refereeing was disgraceful. I can see the arguments about Lewis's Try where Cronk possibly knocked on (didn't go forwards imo) and Tait possibly being on the line/bouncing it. I thought Tait bounced it. That didn't even need BOTD though.....

You would expect England to get one of those decisions go their way.

Even so, if those decisions weren't bad enough we saw the greatest forward pass ever. Then the Video Referee never gave England the same BOTD he gave to Australia. I'm just so happy Clark was so sure on the Tait Try compared to needing Refs Call for Lunt's effort. And Archer completed the job with a No Try.

Why is the same Video Referee who less than 2 years ago gave the worst obstruction call in the history of RL deemed good enough for a 4 Nations match?
 

Cockadoodledoo

First Grade
Messages
5,045
Sheens can't be serious whinging about the referee, surely?

The refereeing was disgraceful. I can see the arguments about Lewis's Try where Cronk possibly knocked on (didn't go forwards imo) and Tait possibly being on the line/bouncing it. I thought Tait bounced it. That didn't even need BOTD though.....

You would expect England to get one of those decisions go their way.

Even so, if those decisions weren't bad enough we saw the greatest forward pass ever. Then the Video Referee never gave England the same BOTD he gave to Australia. I'm just so happy Clark was so sure on the Tait Try compared to needing Refs Call for Lunt's effort. And Archer completed the job with a No Try.

Why is the same Video Referee who less than 2 years ago gave the worst obstruction call in the history of RL deemed good enough for a 4 Nations match?

There are some pretty good whingers in the NRL coaching ranks.. David Furner springs to mind as does Des Hasler but none go close to Tim Sheens..
 

The 18th Man

Juniors
Messages
1,602
I've watched the game three times already, once as a spectator, once from a critical point of view looking at the referee and a second time trying look at the referee from an Australian perspective.

I'm not going to suggest that England should have or would have won this game had they received a fair crack of the whip from the officials but equally it would be naive to think that referees don't influence the results of games by making crucial decisions at certain times of the game and in certain parts of the pitch.

Looking at statistics will not tell you even half the story, a referee is aware of the penalty count at half-time and can adjust his performance to try and level the statistics in order to deflect criticism.

I'd like to believe that Tony Archer had one bad game but unfortunately I've seen his refereeing performances against England and Great Britain and it's not just one bad game. With that in mind I'd like to believe that Tony Archer is a poor referee but the fact that he gets this gig suggests he is the best that the Australian game can offer. The only alternative view is that he is bent or completely incompetent and that purely by chance Australia have benefited from his incompetence every time he's been a referee during their games

Here's some facts and figures from the game, I'll point out that I have watched the game and made these notes whilst trying to be as objective as possible. I've only listed the blatantly obvious incidents and have left the everyday matter of fact errors of judgement by officials and players alone.

2nd minute: Gallen moves off the mark but the referee gives a penalty against Ben Westwood
4th minute: contentious one, Tate knocks on under pressure Tony Archer calls for a penalty try, video gives a penalty which I can live with
5th minute: Luke Lewis scores a try from the pressuer created by Tony Archers decision against Ben Westwood
16th minute: Nate Myles rakes the ball out in at a two-on-one tackle with Thaiday while tackling Darrell Goulding Tony Archer gives a knock-on where it should have been a penalty to England.
18th minute: From the resulting scrum Luke Lewis scores for Australia, this follows a blatant knock-on by Cooper Cronk which Tony Archer and the video ref both miss
21st minute: Earl Crabtree takes his first drive and David Shillington clearly has hold of his ponytail while making the tackle which results in a sloppy play the ball and James Roby knocks on. Should have been a penalty to England instead Australia gets a scrum.
22nd minute: From the scrum Billy Slater scores a try the replay shows a double knock-on first from Tom Briscoe then from Brent Tate before Billy Slater touches down.
26th minute: Sam Tomkins is clearly tripped by Tom Learoyd Lahrs which happens right in front of Tony Archer but no penalty!
27th minute: When England should be attacking from a penalty Australia now have possession and from this set of six Brent Tate scores a contentious try which the replays show the possibility of a right ankle being on the touchline and the probability that he bounced the ball.
29th minute: Tony Archer pulls an offside penalty from nowhere and England are again under pressure, the offside is no different than 90% of all the play the balls during a game
30th minute: following the penalty and during the resulting set of six Willie Tonga scores a try
35th minute: Tom Briscoe puts Leroy Cudjoe through a gap from a pass which is flat at worst, Cudjoe is in the clear and could potentially score but Tony Archer pulls them back for a forward pass

Half Time: the damage is done and Tony Archer can go back to the dressing room and assess what he needs to do in order to avoid questions about his impartiality.

46th minute: Australia score a try from a Luke Lewis pass to Cooper Cronk which is 2.5 m forward. Tony Archer and his officials failed to see it yet Tony Archer's last major involvement in the game was to halt an England move which could have resulted in a try for a forward pass that wasn't.
48th minute:Tom Learoyd Lahrs clearly knocks on at the play the ball but Tony Archer sees a penalty to Australia
51st minute: David Shillington clearly impedes Shaun Lunt from an offside position but Tony Archer waves play on
57th minute: England under pressure having conceded two drop outs, from the second Nate Myles clearly knocks on at the play the ball but Tony Archer waves play on and England remain under pressure in defence
58 minute: having withstood the pressure Sam Burgess has the ball raked out by Paul Gallen in a three on one tackle Tony Archer gives Australia a scrum instead of an England penalty
59th minute: Pantomime time, Cameron Smith clearly taps the ball which is obviously against the wishes of Darren Lockyer and Tony Archer allows them to change their mind. Worse than that he then lectures James Graham for having the audacity as England captain to question what just happened.
65th minute: Another two on one strip this time on Joel Tomkins by Nate Myles and Anthony Watmough, should have been another England penalty yet Tony Archer gives Australian the scrum
70th minute: another contentious one, Shaun Lunt seems to have scored a try, the video ref passes it back to Tony Archer who instantly says no try.

Absolutely brilliant The Clan! :thumb
I wish I had the time to watch a game three times :p
 

SEAT 1A

Bench
Messages
3,193
True, I was really enjoying the game until it seemed everything went against England. It really destroyed the game.

Agree with babyg. The performance went down hill after England kicked the penalty goal in the first half.
 

SEAT 1A

Bench
Messages
3,193
The pleasing thing for me after reading this is the number of Aussies that agree that while the poms still would have got beaten had the refing been fair they still got shafted badely by Archer and Clark.

Not much we can argue about Sam_the_man. It was the first time I switched channels when watching a Australian test match,
 

SEAT 1A

Bench
Messages
3,193
All im saying is im never watching another international until its neutral refs. The end


Good point dibviking. The only good thing that may come out of yesterdays performance is that there needs to be neutrals referee's. It shows the Australian interpretation of the rules are :crazy:.

The Australian side doesn't need any leg up's to win and the ARL needs to accept neutral referee's and get on with it for the good of international game.
 

roughyedspud

Coach
Messages
12,181
the front page of this morning's 'LEAGUE EXPRESS'...a big picture of tony archer with the headline


"the man that beat england"


says it all really
 

Sam_the_man

First Grade
Messages
5,095
I think it's a very long bow to suggest that England would have won yesterday. What pains me is that the refs took one side out of the contest. Infact it wasn't a contest after the refs came into play.
 
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11,677
I'm not saying that they would have won.

I am saying that they were denied the opportunity to still be in the contest with 10 minutes to go and that is a massive stuff up.
 

roughyedspud

Coach
Messages
12,181
they where gifted 16 points while we where denied 6poinst from the shaun lunt effort (which clearly touched the goal line......)

do the math!


and that does'nt include the flat pass that got ruled forward by briscoe to cudjoe which put cudjoe clear and nailed on try...

its an absolute joke..
 

roughyedspud

Coach
Messages
12,181
sorry...but you all should be ashamed about what happened yesterday..


and when all is said and done you could only put 18 legitimate points on a 3rd string england outfit.....i'd be worried if i was you..
 

deluded pom?

Coach
Messages
10,897
That Poms are massive sooks?

I agree.
So basically Pete there's only you, simostorm and simmo on five pages who think Poms are sooks after this "match". Says it all really. At least this time we have something to genuinely whinge about. I'm in the same boat as dbviking. My interest in any match involving Australia has just been battered to death. The ones I feel sorry for are the supporters who flew 11,000 miles to see a game that we didn't even get the chance to compete in. Money down the drain.
 
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roughyedspud

Coach
Messages
12,181
not sure if i'm particular bothered about playing australia either....


glad we're playing a series against NZ in 2012 now
 

aidenburke

Juniors
Messages
27
Have to agree with you spud and Hollywood, 2 definite no tries and Tate's I can live with as a benefit of the doubt, but only if they gave Lunt the benefit also. If the score is 18-14 with 10 to go it would have been a fantastic finish, but we'll never know. I don't think going from 2 refs back to one helped Archer at all either.
 

aidenburke

Juniors
Messages
27
Forgot to mention that refs have got to be neutral, I'm not sure why it is such a hard concept for who ever it is that appoints the refs to understand. A lot of people complained about Leon Williamson in the final last year but he did a hell of a lot better than one of the NRL's best.
 

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