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The reports of Rugbys demise...

Te Kaha

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May be a tad premature....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10616571

Rugby: Sanzar deal worth $560m

By David Fisher and Gregor Paul

4:00 AM Sunday Dec 20, 2009
New Zealand rugby will have improved financial muscle to retain players as the finishing touches are put to what is thought to be one of the biggest rugby broadcast deals in the world.
The old Sanzar broadcasting agreement with Rupert Murdoch's News Ltd organisations was worth US$340 million ($480 million) over five years.
The new deal, which runs from 2011 for another five years, is thought to be worth a total of US$400 million ($560 million) - an increase of about 20 per cent.
The new deal, expected to be signed off shortly, flies in the face of dire predictions for the economic future of the game with a significant "pay rise" for the New Zealand Rugby Union.
A straight comparison is more difficult to make these days because of the more fractured nature of the broadcast property.
The South African component has been handled separately, as they have already sold broadcast rights to the Currie Cup.
The Herald on Sunday has learned that New Zealand and Australia will split around US$200 million between them when the Super 14 becomes Super 15 in 2011.

That will be split evenly between the Tasman partners with the value of the provincial championship and any inbound tours handed directly to the NZRU.
It is believed that the broadcasters have said the provincial championship is worth about US$20 million.
Add in the separately negotiated South African component and it is understood the total deal is about US$400 million, compared on an apples-with-apples basis to the US$323 million contract. There may even be more to come, as overseas broadcast rights to show Super rugby and Tri Nations fare have yet to be sold.
The NZRU is also believed to have taken insurance against currency fluctuations by fixing their exchange rate in a hedging arrangement.
The amount is one thing - but the most significant effect is what the NZRU will be able to do with the money in terms of retaining players.
Because of the value of the new deal in the pipeline, the NZRU are thought to be forecasting more promising financial results over the next three years.
That means the players are set to benefit with improved pay deals. Not only is there more money coming in, the new collective employment agreement has negotiated a greater slice of that money for the players.
Under the existing collective, the players take about 32 per cent of the total income generated by the national body. The new arrangement will see them take about 36 per cent.
Some of that will be offset by the increased squad sizes of the Super Rugby franchises - now 28, as of 2011 up to 32.
With more money available, the NZRU will have more hope of fighting the European clubs when they come on their relentless recruitment missions.
By David Fisher and Gregor Paul | Email David
 

Fraser

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mate rugby is dead its arse in australia, no one and i mean nooooo one at all cares about the game here at all, its all league....secondly, with a 2nd nz league team coming soon, nzru has more things to be worried about.. things arent too rosy in nz for rugby, surely league will overtake rugby there in 10 years time
 

Te Kaha

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mate rugby is dead its arse in australia, no one and i mean nooooo one at all cares about the game here at all, its all league....secondly, with a 2nd nz league team coming soon, nzru has more things to be worried about.. things arent too rosy in nz for rugby, surely league will overtake rugby there in 10 years time

You are the prime example of why kids shouldnt have access to the internet...
Despite having the worst few years in a very long time, rugby is still going strong... Its in trouble in Aus, but a couple of good years by the wannabies and all the bandwagoners will juno back on board...

And as for your "things arent too rosy in nz for rugby", then explain how the NPC viewing figures were up 80odd percent and particapation figures were also up... not really the signs of a code in crisis... you really should d some research befoore you sprout off.
 

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mate rugby is dead its arse in australia, no one and i mean nooooo one at all cares about the game here at all, its all league....secondly, with a 2nd nz league team coming soon, nzru has more things to be worried about.. things arent too rosy in nz for rugby, surely league will overtake rugby there in 10 years time

so you speak for all Aussies ?

I dont think so
 

Wobbygong

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Choice eh bro!

In NZ what else have they got to watch lol let's be serious, rugbys always going to big over there bro. However realistically it's a pissant rugby market, tiny little country smaller than Ausvegas.

Kick and clap has been dying a slow and painful death since the 2003 World Cup in Australia. Grassroots club rugby is irrelevent, the Super 14's is not too bad to watch but the season is way too short and the depth of talent across 4 teams in Australia simply isn't there and clearly won't rate on pay TV once NRL and AFL start. International rugby at present is a deadset disgraceful bore or even snore-a-thon, until those moronic simpleteons in the Northern Hemisphere (IRB) embrace the ELV's, we are going to continue to get painful to watch test matches. Unfortunately at present I think if marketed properly International rugby union could be used as a drug free treatment for insomnia.
 
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Fraser

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You are the prime example of why kids shouldnt have access to the internet...
Despite having the worst few years in a very long time, rugby is still going strong... Its in trouble in Aus, but a couple of good years by the wannabies and all the bandwagoners will juno back on board...

And as for your "things arent too rosy in nz for rugby", then explain how the NPC viewing figures were up 80odd percent and particapation figures were also up... not really the signs of a code in crisis... you really should d some research befoore you sprout off.


whatever...
i see you yawnionites post and its blah blah blah.....

rugbys had its worst year every year since 2004.. and its going to keep going that way

the wobblies are farked, sh*t tv ratings and sh*t crowds
more people in qld and nsw were watching the rugby league

maybe the nz franchises should be dumped and we should return to npc? nrl is succesful because of the tradition of our old teams, nz franchises obviously dont have that and going by your stats the nz rugby fans prefer that
 

Heritage XIII

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this contract just proves the privilege and elitist mantra of union protects the game. What other sport's compeition with falling TV ratings and crowds gets rewarded with an increased TV contract?

This contract has nothing to do with union being a great sport it just shows how having a game in private schools churning out a bunch of hooray henrys puts this facist of games ahead of commercial sense.

i feel sad for you blokes and your elitist rose tinted glasses.
 

Heritage XIII

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Actually, the TV income split over 5 years doesn't amount to much for Australia. I doubt the Wallabies rights are worth as much as they used to be, so may add another 10 mil per year and the NRL's next contract of nearly 1 billion (a first for any form of rugby :) ) will mean an arsenal of around $200 mil to Oz union's $20-30 mil actually looks good for league. Given union's higher salary wages etc, not the huge windfall union was looking for.
 

Te Kaha

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this contract just proves the privilege and elitist mantra of union protects the game. What other sport's compeition with falling TV ratings and crowds gets rewarded with an increased TV contract?

This contract has nothing to do with union being a great sport it just shows how having a game in private schools churning out a bunch of hooray henrys puts this facist of games ahead of commercial sense.

i feel sad for you blokes and your elitist rose tinted glasses.

What a post of pure unmitigated bullsh*t... you must find it hard to walk with that massive chip on your shoulder... despite a bad couple of years the comps still have appeal and potential. Considering the comps cotain 3 countries and the TV contract is with an american company, the fact that a large percentage of the Aussie Rugby public has a "private school" background is irrelevant to the size of the tv rights... and the fact you bought it up at all shows how your lack of anything resembling rational thought.

Actually, the TV income split over 5 years doesn't amount to much for Australia. I doubt the Wallabies rights are worth as much as they used to be, so may add another 10 mil per year and the NRL's next contract of nearly 1 billion (a first for any form of rugby :) ) will mean an arsenal of around $200 mil to Oz union's $20-30 mil actually looks good for league. Given union's higher salary wages etc, not the huge windfall union was looking for.

Are you stupid? really?? honest question.. for starters News will ensure that the League contract will not get close to a billion, they will undersell the rights just like they have done the last two times...
As for the ARUs share of the rights, what it "looks like" to morons like yourself is irrelevant... as long as they get enough to fund their comps, pay their elite players and invest in junior development then thats all that matters.
 

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Rugby is pretty much the same as it ever was in Australia. Not getting bigger, not going away. Clear second sport to NRL in the states that count, all but ignored, along with league in the Aussie-rules states.

Aussie rugby strengths are still where they always have been - subbies comps and blokes who play for the mateship. The game is especially strong in regions that have been abandoned by league - NSW South Coast for example.

In Sydney, club rugby crowds are as good, or as poor as they have ever been, depending on your perspective. Clubs will come, go and consolidate - that has always been the case.
 

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Rugby is pretty much the same as it ever was in Australia. Not getting bigger, not going away. Clear second sport to NRL in the states that count, all but ignored, along with league in the Aussie-rules states.

Aussie rugby strengths are still where they always have been - subbies comps and blokes who play for the mateship. The game is especially strong in regions that have been abandoned by league - NSW South Coast for example.

In Sydney, club rugby crowds are as good, or as poor as they have ever been, depending on your perspective. Clubs will come, go and consolidate - that has always been the case.

I live down the South Coast and you are very wrong about RL down here, it's everywhere, heck they had 10k turn up just to see dell play for one of the local teams.

Every night during winter you get RL news outside of ST George Illawarra on Win TV, all the radio stations talk about the games.

RU gets mentioned, but no where near RL.

My brother inlaw lives further south and it's the same thing down there.
 

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I was specifically talking about senior teams and players - subbies etc. Nothing to do with media coverage, pro sport or trivia. The point is that rugby's strength has always been this community level involvement. This is completely independent of whether the top level is thriving or not - more importantly this is completely independent of whether the top level exists or not. True grass-roots involvement that continues to exist despite receiving nothing at all from the high-level administration. Hence the comment that rugby is pretty much the same as it ever was in Australia.

The disappearance of the Illawarra team did massive damage to the south coast as far as league was concerned. The NRL might be reclaiming some ground now.
 

Teddyboy

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Choice eh bro!

In NZ what else have they got to watch lol let's be serious, rugbys always going to big over there bro. However realistically it's a pissant rugby market, tiny little country smaller than Ausvegas.

Kick and clap has been dying a slow and painful death since the 2003 World Cup in Australia. Grassroots club rugby is irrelevent, the Super 14's is not too bad to watch but the season is way too short and the depth of talent across 4 teams in Australia simply isn't there and clearly won't rate on pay TV once NRL and AFL start. International rugby at present is a deadset disgraceful bore or even snore-a-thon, until those moronic simpleteons in the Northern Hemisphere (IRB) embrace the ELV's, we are going to continue to get painful to watch test matches. Unfortunately at present I think if marketed properly International rugby union could be used as a drug free treatment for insomnia.
The IRB should be based in Sydney or Yorkshire.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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I was specifically talking about senior teams and players - subbies etc. Nothing to do with media coverage, pro sport or trivia. The point is that rugby's strength has always been this community level involvement. This is completely independent of whether the top level is thriving or not - more importantly this is completely independent of whether the top level exists or not. True grass-roots involvement that continues to exist despite receiving nothing at all from the high-level administration. Hence the comment that rugby is pretty much the same as it ever was in Australia.

The disappearance of the Illawarra team did massive damage to the south coast as far as league was concerned. The NRL might be reclaiming some ground now.

I wasn't putting union down if that's how it came across, I see it played in most suburbs, it is actually doing well down here, they have teams in all the regional comps and a few play against the Sydney teams quite a bit. (most probably rep games)

The Dragons are doing OK, but Wollongong has a lot of support for all the clubs, you see plenty of Parra, Tigers, Bulldogs and Titans stuff around.

The problem with the Dragons is they don't seem to engage the locals as much as they should, they should've moved here permanently when they merged.

Take Berkeley for example, the Dragons let them go even though Illawarra Sports high is here, the Roosters took them over a few years ago.

Illawarra sports high has always been one of the best breeding grounds for RL players in the country.
 

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I was specifically talking about senior teams and players - subbies etc. Nothing to do with media coverage, pro sport or trivia. The point is that rugby's strength has always been this community level involvement. This is completely independent of whether the top level is thriving or not - more importantly this is completely independent of whether the top level exists or not. True grass-roots involvement that continues to exist despite receiving nothing at all from the high-level administration. Hence the comment that rugby is pretty much the same as it ever was in Australia.

The disappearance of the Illawarra team did massive damage to the south coast as far as league was concerned. The NRL might be reclaiming some ground now.
Sorry to disagree but in my view the grass roots of Rugby is starting to falter. There is more evidence of lower grade demise each year. Even in the Sydney Senior competitions. Rugby in QLD is in deep sh*t with participation rates falling, and the ARU has made a conscious decision to abandon the 'lesser' States like mine by with drawing development funding.

The future is bleak and a very good world cup (and some law changes) are required if Rugby in Australia is to make a real comeback.
 

Thomas

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Sorry to disagree but in my view the grass roots of Rugby is starting to falter. There is more evidence of lower grade demise each year. Even in the Sydney Senior competitions. Rugby in QLD is in deep sh*t with participation rates falling, and the ARU has made a conscious decision to abandon the 'lesser' States like mine by with drawing development funding.

The future is bleak and a very good world cup (and some law changes) are required if Rugby in Australia is to make a real comeback.

Really? Are you sure?

As Parra says, crowds and participation rates vary year to year but they are always at a similar level. Junior RU in Qld is booming, by the way.
 
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