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Ghostrider22

Juniors
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Now don’t expect a positive reply Ghostrider , there are times when I tend to speak my mind - call a spade , a spade . But what the heck , yes it is indeed a shat show which only seems to stink more as the season progresses.

So the supporters of this once proud club continue to suffer season after season. We all expect ( perhaps now praying) that the following year will be better , however it has not occurred and nor will it in the foreseeable future . Ahem !
This is going to take a very long time to right it self. As we all know this started in 2011 when Bennett left, coaches have come and gone but the board remain the same, Haran has overseen everything yet his covered in teflon should be the first to go. Supposedly we have a Billionaire who owns the Illawarra side never sighted living in the Bahamas. You have to pay overs to get players we get nothing this shit will continue until there are massive changes made in the front office and footy team.
 

The Word

Juniors
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778
Usually when there are billionaire owners involved they have so many mates and business partners in the local area that they are able to prod them into helping the club by offering 3rd party contracts to players. This is what we desperately need to compete with the big boys. From what I’ve seen of our new CEO and recruitment guy they seem a lot more hands on and better than what we had. But we really need those third party deals to help us get 4 or 5 quality signings over the line.
 

Stewartliddle

Juniors
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473
Did anyone here get the article about Shane during our scrimmage with the manly squad in the off-season? I can post some screen shots, long story short Shane was barking like a mad dog taking players off left and right and some of the Manly players were saying "who would want to be coach by Flanno". A couple players admmited that's how Flanno was as an assistant at manly, an intense stubborn prick who doesn't have the respect of the players. It's 2026 ffs
 

denis preston

First Grade
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Usually when there are billionaire owners involved they have so many mates and business partners in the local area that they are able to prod them into helping the club by offering 3rd party contracts to players. This is what we desperately need to compete with the big boys. From what I’ve seen of our new CEO and recruitment guy they seem a lot more hands on and better than what we had. But we really need those third party deals to help us get 4 or 5 quality signings over the line.
 

Redvdragons21

Juniors
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399
Mathematically with Purdue staying put, Bula looking like staying put, Tracey staying put , and the fact that we did not offer Fuller a deal for 2027.. it seems like Drinkwater is the last cab left at the station, and noone else would offer him fullback cash like we will.

We must be pretty confident.. otherwise Fuller for 2026+2027 was a no-brainer..

With KK, Drinkwater & Sami signed (if right), add in a competent 7 and that is the nuts and bolts with the right coach to be far more competitive in 2027.
No one wants to play in the Illawarra
 

hewi

Bench
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Club in crisis as Dragons coach Flanagan inches ever closer to sword





ANDREW WEBSTER AUSTRALIA’S PREMIER SPORT COLUMNIST


On a muggy Sydney day in late January, St George Illawarra and Manly held their annual pre-season scrimmage at Kogarah Jubilee Oval. The full-contact session allows coaches and players to gauge how their teams are tracking a month out from the first round.
“Let’s trust our halves to get us to the right spot on the field,” Dragons co-captain Clint Gutherson told his teammates huddled around him. “Kick long. Focus on our ‘D’. Kick-chase. We put so much effort in over the summer, boys. This is the fun part.”
As the session went on, some Sea Eagles players noticed how it didn’t look too fun for Dragons players at all as their coach, Shane Flanagan, barked instructions and angrily hooked players from the field – including his son Kyle and recruit Daniel Atkinson.
“Imagine playing for this guy?” a Manly player quietly remarked, a sentiment shared by some of his younger teammates. Remember, their coach was Anthony Seibold, who had lost the dressing room long before this sultry Sydney day.
Some of the Manly players didn’t have to imagine. Flanagan was an assistant in Seibold’s first year at Manly in 2023, before he accepted the head coaching role at the Dragons. Senior Manly players contacted by The Australian said they noticed nothing out of the ordinary from Flanagan that day.
“That’s just who he is,” said one.
That might be all we need to know when searching for reasons why Flanagan is fighting for his job after a winless start to the season.
Older players appreciate a coach who talks directly. Many of the younger ones do not.
With every painful loss, Flanagan doesn’t just look like a broken coach searching for answers. He looks like a coach who is struggling with a game that has passed him by, no matter how much he knows and how much winning means to him.

Flanagan’s side hosts Manly at WIN Stadium in Wollongong on Friday and a heavy loss will put pressure on the board to sack him.
St George Illawarra have felt less like a joint venture between two football clubs in recent times than a subsidiary of WIN Corporation, the media company privately owned by 97-year-old Bruce Gordon that bought out Illawarra’s stake in 2018. The Dragons’ new high-performance centre, which Anthony Albanese will officially open next month, bears Gordon’s name.
WIN chief executive Andrew Lancaster has been the Dragons chairman since 2023. Because he’s not answerable to shareholders, Lancaster isn’t one to panic. The problem for Lancaster and his board is the shareholders of a football club are its members and fans, and if the losses keep coming, it won’t be long before the focus shifts from the coach to the board, if it hasn’t already.
There are no firm deadlines in place for Flanagan to turn the beat around, but of this you can be assured: he won’t be the only one packing up his desk if his contract, which was extended last August for two years until the end of 2028, is torn up. Most have assumed 2010 premiership winner Dean Young would be Flanagan’s successor when the time came. As assistant to Flanagan, he’s in the firing line as much as the head coach. So, too, football general manager Ben Haran.
The board extended Flanagan for the sole reason of at least looking like a stable club when recruiting and retaining players. At the same time, they had lured Daniel Anderson from the Roosters to head their recruitment.
The Dragons won’t have to pay out Flanagan’s entire contract if they sack him, protected by termination clauses in the deal. But any semblance of stability has been eroded from 10 consecutive NRL losses – the worst run in the joint venture’s history.
Worse than that, some of their big-name recruits – Gutherson, Valentine Holmes and Damien Cook – are starting to look like the champion boxer who ages in the space of one round. The younger players look locked in one minute, jaded and waiting for the siren the next. Collectively, they’re the hardest team to watch in the NRL.
The recruitment blunder that will define the final days of Flanagan’s tenure will be Atkinson, who he lured from Cronulla on cheap money with the idea of turning him into the organising halfback he clearly wasn’t born to be.
Two weeks ago, before the diabolic loss to the Gold Coast Titans, Flanagan called for patience in a pre-match interview with Fox Sports. “He’s only played 10 NRL games at halfback,” he said.
The coach’s patience lasted two more games. For Friday night’s match against Manly, Atkinson will play five-eighth, while Kyle Flanagan returns from concussion to start at halfback. It’s the same sort of panicked selection seen in the final weeks of Flanagan’s predecessor, Anthony Griffin.
“I don’t go pick Kyle because of his surname, he’s got to do a job and he is within our top three or four players, competitive-wise, week in, week out,” Flanagan said on Thursday. “He’s our best halfback in the club at the moment.”
As much as the frustrated Dragons supporter base wants 20- year-old rookie Kade Reed to start instead of Flanagan’s son, it would be a mistake. His skills might be ready for NRL, but his 78kg body is not, especially with hulking Sea Eagles backrower Haumole Olakau’atu running at him all night.

It says everything about the dysfunction at the Dragons that this is the best halves combination the club can conjure. The club has struggled for decades to find an organising half, despite having one of the most fertile junior nurseries in the game. An entirely separate analysis is needed to examine the inventive ways in which the Dragons have burned through their playmakers over the past decade, but the line from the club that “there are no halves out there” is fooling nobody.
Flanagan was desperate to return to coaching after a long hiatus from the game. The NRL had torn up his registration in December 2018 after it found he had violated the conditions of a previous ban from 2014 for his role in the 2011 supplements scandal at Cronulla.The Dragons gave him his second chance because Griffin turned out to be the mistake some of us predicted it to be. Flanagan has been another one, despite his best intentions. Those close to the 60-year-old worry about his health, knowing how much he invests in his football team and believes in his son. But it’s clear this is no longer fun. For anyone

 

kit66

First Grade
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"It says everything about the dysfunction at the Dragons that this is the best halves combination the club can conjure. The club has struggled for decades to find an organizing half, despite having one of the most fertile junior nurseries in the game. An entirely separate analysis is needed to examine the inventive ways in which the Dragons have burned through their playmakers over the past decade, but the line from the club that “there are no halves out there” is fooling nobody."

Exactly - fooling nobody. Our halves "issues" are all of Flanno's making, constantly putting Kyle in where he doesn't fit and ignoring all other options. Our reserves last year finished 2nd on the ladder with 15 wins and 2 draws with consistent and outstanding efforts from Ilias and Glover while our 1st grade could only manage 8 wins with our locked in halves Kyle and LKT failing on multiple occasions to ice the close games or take us to any great heights.
Kyle can follow orders and play a supporting role but lacks any creativity and little in the way of organizing skills and throwing a 7 on Atkinson's back and expecting an inexperienced rookie to take control was always going to fail. Atkinson is a running 5/8 with a great boot on him for long kicks to get us field position, much like Burton's role at the Dogs, that's how you use him. Let him run and throw those great long passes a la Trent Barrett and kick and let a skillful 7 do the organizing and the tricky stuff.
Won't happen though, Flanno will persist with mini me and blame whichever poor sod partners him in the halves when it fails.....continues failing.
 

I'm Hornby

Juniors
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1,448
There's no f**king way we are that stupid to have only offered Fuller a deal for 2026 and expected him to be dumb enough to take it, fully uprooting himself for half a year to come to wait for it... the Dragons
Maybe it's hard for people like you to believe, people who have been defending Fraudagan for years, not hard for others to believe though buddy 👍
 
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A few things I’d like to bring up- first if Kyle is our “best” 1/2 in the club, then why has Flanno been playing him at 6 instead of 7? And playing an obvious 6 at 7? The lies just get worse and worse. If all of our reserves don’t get a run this week there better be some good excuses as to why.
But more importantly ,weve been told we’re in a rebuilding phase for over 10 yrs now. This is now coach no 4 supposedly “rebuilding”. Ever other club achieves it in about 2-3 yrs yet every time we get close, the coach stuffs up and we start all over again. Quite a few clubs have coaches that have been there forever yet we can’t get one past 3 yrs before we find out they’re useless and every one of them suffering from nepotism with no consequences when they get sacked. How long do we rebuild for with all the inherent excuses allowed- “sorry we lost but were rebuilding so it’s to be expected”. I for one have had a gut full of the pathetic excuses and lies that have been the hallmark of this club for over 10 yrs now. Surely someone up above needs to take responsibility for this and do a complete clean out while they still have any supporters at all
 

JubileeJeffro

Juniors
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Often blind loyalty leads to your demise…
And if Kyle is the best 7 at the club until Reed is ready, we should have recruited a 1-2 year stop gap.
Agree with Reed at 78kgs he will get smashed by edge back rowers every week, which will not be good for his career or long term physical or mental (CTE) future.
 

possm

Coach
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This is going to take a very long time to right it self. As we all know this started in 2011 when Bennett left, coaches have come and gone but the board remain the same, Haran has overseen everything yet his covered in teflon should be the first to go. Supposedly we have a Billionaire who owns the Illawarra side never sighted living in the Bahamas. You have to pay overs to get players we get nothing this shit will continue until there are massive changes made in the front office and footy team.
Look how quickly Manly turned things around. With the right peoe in charge, we can do the same.
 

possm

Coach
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Often blind loyalty leads to your demise…
And if Kyle is the best 7 at the club until Reed is ready, we should have recruited a 1-2 year stop gap.
Agree with Reed at 78kgs he will get smashed by edge back rowers every week, which will not be good for his career or long term physical or mental (CTE) future.
The opposition player is reserve grade are the same size as those in the NRL.

Flanno protects Kyle's position in the side by:
Not recruiting an NRL-quality halfback.
Repeadly saying Reed is too young for NRL.
 

Unsainty79

Juniors
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242
In the last 18 months the Dragons have actually made some big off-field changes. New CEO from outside the club, recruitment boss Anderson from outside, and Ben Creagh stepping in as COO. We’ve also finally got stability at board level with Andrew Lancaster as Chair instead of ridiculous yearly chair rotation.

We've got the COE and government investment in WIN Stadium, and it’s pretty clear this stuff doesn’t happen under the old administration. I’m happy to give the admin side some slack for once. Landing Keon and potentially Drinkwater are probably the biggest signings since Widdop.

I feel sorry for DY and ME, they're tasked with coaching some pretty poor cattle and I think Flanagan has to take responsibility for the recruitment now, Cook, Gutherson and Holmes have all been OK, but not worth anywhere near their price tags. Both Ennis and Young have big wraps from a lot of players and other coaches and both are sought-after - but at 0-5 I cannot see how either of them could be appointed on the interim without the fans revolting even more so.
 

possm

Coach
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In the last 18 months the Dragons have actually made some big off-field changes. New CEO from outside the club, recruitment boss Anderson from outside, and Ben Creagh stepping in as COO. We’ve also finally got stability at board level with Andrew Lancaster as Chair instead of ridiculous yearly chair rotation.

We've got the COE and government investment in WIN Stadium, and it’s pretty clear this stuff doesn’t happen under the old administration. I’m happy to give the admin side some slack for once. Landing Keon and potentially Drinkwater are probably the biggest signings since Widdop.

I feel sorry for DY and ME, they're tasked with coaching some pretty poor cattle and I think Flanagan has to take responsibility for the recruitment now, Cook, Gutherson and Holmes have all been OK, but not worth anywhere near their price tags. Both Ennis and Young have big wraps from a lot of players and other coaches and both are sought-after - but at 0-5 I cannot see how either of them could be appointed on the interim without the fans revolting even more so.
For most of our squad, it is 'poorly coached cattle'.
 

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