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THE TEAMS WHO CANT LIFT THE CUP

That Guy

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dimitri said:
I'd prefer to watch under 8's league than some of the garbage that will be served up in this world cup. 80 percent of the games will be either non-competitive or low standard shit which isn't good news for a game that is usually shit at the best of times.

And wasn't the waltzing matilda rubbish put on just to get the media fired up.

Enjoy your time in the sun yawnion because the sun is gonna set real quick after the yawn fest is over.


hahah a

i totally agree



Teams that can win the Rugby World Cup:

NZ, Eng, Aus, Fra, SA, Ire and Arg.

NZ and ENG are the only teams that can win the world cup

if any other team wins id walk naked to brisbane

No you wouldn't, your a pussy!
 

Mint Condition

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Dimitri, the teams I listed have all knocked each other off in the last 2 or 3 years.

It is likely that the winner will be England or NZ but it is POSSIBLE (because the sides have the ability) that any of the teams I listed can win it if they play well, get a bit of luck and the draw falls right for them.

You're simply paranoid.
 

meltiger

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I agree with all bar one and would have added one to then list.... The old man pack the Poms will bring will not eb able to stand an Australian October.... playing like they did in Aus/NZ in winter is one thing but come spring they are no hope.


The Balcks sadly enough will win it but I'd add France to the teams who could possibly beat them.
 

Mint Condition

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meltiger, the English pack is the fittest and most mobile in the world (along with the French pack maybe). The depth of their forwards is also second to none.

Age won't lose them the world cup. Teams won't beat them on fitness I can guarentee. Teams will beat England if they can secure their ball, and quick ball at that, while remaining disciplined especially when they have the ball. England are the masters of territory and possession and also at slowing down the oppositions ball at the tackle.

England aren't the best finishing side in the world though. If a good side can get enough ball and enough decent territory then they can beat England.

England for mine are favourites for the world cup, they've impressed me more than New Zealand have.
 

Te Kaha

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Mint Condition said:
meltiger, the English pack is the fittest and most mobile in the world (along with the French pack maybe). The depth of their forwards is also second to none.

No, No the're not. they are fit, but not any fitter than others. And Mobile most definetly not. The test here in Wellington proved that. They WILL be found out in the World Cup.
 

Mint Condition

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TeKaha, their pack dominated the All Black pack. I was suprised they didn't dominate more in the scrum but they dominated nonetheless.

Their front row is easily the most mobile of any in the world. You won't see Greg Summerville (sp?) doing half the work in general play that Vickery etc will do. The class of Richard Hill, Vickery, Dallaglio, Thompson, Johnson and Kay etc can't be denied. Their forwards will take a lot to be bettered but luckily for you NZ are one side who can probably do it in some areas.

The Wallabies can hope to nullify their impact at best but if we do we can beat them.
 

Te Kaha

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Mint Condition said:
TeKaha, their pack dominated the All Black pack. I was suprised they didn't dominate more in the scrum but they dominated nonetheless.
The All Blacks held their own in the scrum and line outs and even one a few English throw ins. Thats hardly being dominated.

Mint Condition said:
Their front row is easily the most mobile of any in the world.
No Its not. Not even close. They are much slower to the breakdown than a lot of teams. They only dominate when the ball is kept in close to the ruck. It won't be at the world cup.
Mint Condition said:
You won't see Greg Summerville (sp?) doing half the work in general play that Vickery etc will do.
Now that is bollocks. Somerville, Meews, Mealamu are much better in the loose in general play. The English front rows version of "general play" doesn't move more than 5 metres either side of the ruck.
Mint Condition said:
The class of Richard Hill, Vickery, Dallaglio, Thompson, Johnson and Kay etc can't be denied. Their forwards will take a lot to be bettered but luckily for you NZ are one side who can probably do it in some areas.

The Wallabies can hope to nullify their impact at best but if we do we can beat them.
They have class yes. But they have a fragile lineout and despite English claims Ritchie McCaw is the best Openside playing. The English pack can be beaten. And if they are their backs are going to be ripped to shreds.
 

Mint Condition

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Have you seen the English hooker Thompson play?

He's everywhere. Yes, Mealamu is too but Thompson has the physcial presence and size in the scrum that Mealamu doesn't.

I'll concede that the NZ pack is more mobile (but not in the front row - Meews and Somerville aren't great runners of the ball, at least in comparison to the English props), overall though England are a step above. New Zealands line out is weak. The Wallabies have exploited it many times this season.

England dominated possession against the All Blacks. Their forwards won better ball. In the set pieces NZ did better than I thought they would but England had a bad game. Englands potential dominance in the scrum was shown when their 6 man scrum pushed over the AB's full man pack when the AB's had an attacking scrum 5 metres out, with 2 English players in the bin.
 

Te Kaha

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Mint Condition said:
Have you seen the English hooker Thompson play?

He's everywhere. Yes, Mealamu is too but Thompson has the physcial presence and size in the scrum that Mealamu doesn't.

I'll concede that the NZ pack is more mobile (but not in the front row - Meews and Somerville aren't great runners of the ball, at least in comparison to the English props), overall though England are a step above. New Zealands line out is weak. The Wallabies have exploited it many times this season.

England dominated possession against the All Blacks. Their forwards won better ball. In the set pieces NZ did better than I thought they would but England had a bad game. Englands potential dominance in the scrum was shown when their 6 man scrum pushed over the AB's full man pack when the AB's had an attacking scrum 5 metres out, with 2 English players in the bin.

I'm begining to wonder if you actally watched the Wellington test. England did NOT win more ball. They just hung onto it longer. There forwards only stayed fresh by infringing. There where at least another half dozen instances where the English should have been binned for professional fouls.

How many All Black games have you seen? Not many if you think Meews and Somerville are slow around the field.
 

BTige

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Dean Moriarty said:
Prepare to be surprised. The UK had temperatures above 30 degrees C for a number of weeks through their summer. And, unlike league touring teams, they will be here in plenty of time to acclimatise.

:lol:

Temperatures often reached 30+ degrees, especially in the south east. But no way did it stay so high for "a number of weeks".

Still, being the onion apologist you obviously are, you'll have been well grounded in embellishing facts.
 

weasel

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The draw for the Pool Games is ridiculous. How Australia, Ireland and Argentina ended up in the same group is beyond me. Pool B is an absolute joke with France the only decent team and heck they've been beaten twice by Argentina this year so arguably the whole of Pool B is weaker than over half of Pool A. Pool D has New Zealand and not much else and Pool C has England and South Africa, but with the state the Boks are in that's not even that impressive. IMO Australia, Argentina and Ireland are three of the top six teams going into the competition, at worst top seven. It's a joke they're in the same group. It'll be a shame if a team like Argentina, who have really been playing good football lately, doesn't make the second round and fails to earn more recognition as no longer a second tier team just because of this. I would back all three of those teams to finish at least second in any other Pool.
 
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BTige said:
Dean Moriarty said:
Prepare to be surprised. The UK had temperatures above 30 degrees C for a number of weeks through their summer. And, unlike league touring teams, they will be here in plenty of time to acclimatise.

:lol:

Temperatures often reached 30+ degrees, especially in the south east. But no way did it stay so high for "a number of weeks".

Still, being the onion apologist you obviously are, you'll have been well grounded in embellishing facts.

Seems someone rattled your cage. The UK had record temperatures this summer. It seems reading is a bit difficult for you but go back and tell me where I said it stayed over 30 degrees. Fact is that 30 degrees was reached regularly in July and August.

Forgive me for thinking that the RFL doesn't prepare its teams properly for overseas tours but if you recall the last test between GB and Aus, you might remember a team that was in no shape, fitness-wise, to match the Kangaroos.

The fact I can discuss other sports positively does not make me an "onion apologist". No doubt, if you read my other posts, I am a "soccer apologist" and "AFL apologist". :roll: :lol:
 

bayrep

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weasel said:
The draw for the Pool Games is ridiculous. How Australia, Ireland and Argentina ended up in the same group is beyond me. Pool B is an absolute joke with France the only decent team and heck they've been beaten twice by Argentina this year so arguably the whole of Pool B is weaker than over half of Pool A. Pool D has New Zealand and not much else and Pool C has England and South Africa, but with the state the Boks are in that's not even that impressive. IMO Australia, Argentina and Ireland are three of the top six teams going into the competition, at worst top seven. It's a joke they're in the same group. It'll be a shame if a team like Argentina, who have really been playing good football lately, doesn't make the second round and fails to earn more recognition as no longer a second tier team just because of this. I would back all three of those teams to finish at least second in any other Pool.

I think the teams are ranked form the last world cup. So 4 years ago, Ireland werent that crash hot, were as SA made the top four (Cant see that happening this time). The same with France finished 2nd so were rated above England this time round. There has been an on going argument with IRU about how they should rank the teams every 4 years

1. From the last workd cup.
2. From the current world rankings.

For my mind it makes more sense to rate the teams on current form not from what happened 4 years ago.
 

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