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Threatened species: How size and cut-and-paste coaching are smothering creative halves

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The below article, by Andrew Webster, published by the Sydney Morning Herald) (source: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...othering-creative-halves-20210430-p57np3.html) has some very telling points and I thought is well worth sharing -

Threatened species: How size and cut-and-paste coaching are smothering creative halves
By Andrew Webster

APRIL 30, 2021 (Part 1)

Twelve years ago, on a suburban footy field in Auckland, Nathan Cleary played his first game of rugby league.

It was almost his last.

The 11-year-old had played soccer earlier that day but was convinced to play rugby league with his mates in their Mt Albert Lions side.

“As I rocked up, one of my mates was coming off with a broken arm,” Nathan says. “He wasn’t much bigger than me.”

There wasn’t a spare jersey for him to wear so he turned his soccer strip inside out and trotted out to the middle, filling in at hooker.

At the first scrum, he looked at the monstrous players in the front row and gulped.

“What are you doing here?” asked one.

Cleary wasn’t entirely sure.

When he arrived home, his father, Ivan, who was coaching the New Zealand Warriors, asked how he’d played.

“Dad,” Nathan said, “they were so big.”

If Nathan had been playing in the western suburbs of Sydney, one of the great careers – which has started to blossom at Penrith in the past three years – might never have happened.

Instead, because of the weight divisions entrenched in junior rugby league in New Zealand, his young career took off.

“The next year, I played in the restricted weight division,” Nathan says. “You were still up against big kids, but you were playing more footy to win games instead of just giving it to the biggest player on the field.”

Ivan doesn’t underestimate the importance of that system for his son’s career.

“If there was no restricted-weight footy, I don’t think Nat would’ve played in New Zealand, which means he wouldn’t have played until he got to Penrith,” he says.

“I’m not saying he wouldn’t have made it in the NRL, but it would’ve severely restricted his development as a half. I like telling this story to as many people as I can in Australia because I really liked the concept.”

It’s a story worth telling as the production line of halves starts to dry up at the top level, although a weight disparity at junior level is only part of the story.

How can Sharks veteran Chad Townsend, 30, command a three-year deal worth $2.4 million with the Cowboys?

How can Broncos rookie Tom Dearden, 20, go from being the “next Allan Langer” with a devastating running game to being so unwanted by his club that it doesn’t table an offer?

How does Roosters sensation Sam Walker, 18, with his vision and long spiral passes, become the exception and not the norm of young halves rising through the ranks?

Why does the modern-day half play in a straitjacket, limited to one side of the field instead of playing – dare we say it – “eyes up footy”?

“Good halfbacks are as rare as rocking-horse shit,” two-time premiership coach Warren Ryan said in a recent Herald interview.

Ivan Cleary agrees. “As long as I’ve been coaching, which is about 15 years now, there’s always been a shortage,” he says. “But with the new rules, the gulf between the best and the rest has become really obvious.”

How did it come to this? And how does rugby league ensure the next Nathan Cleary isn’t lost to another code?

Weighty issues
For best part of 30 years, at the Dragons, Storm and now the Roosters, Tony Barnes has nurtured generations of superstars, from Mark Gasnier to the Morris twins to Boyd Cordner to Latrell Mitchell.

But he’s worked with just a sprinkling of halves who have made it through to the NRL, most notably two-time premiership winner James Maloney.

“The biggest reason we don’t get many good halves is because it’s all about size,” says Barnes, who has been the Roosters under-20s coach for the past six years. “It’s about loading up the big fellas and rolling through the opposition. That’s the game, that’s what the coaches coach, and there’s no footy in them apart from the occasional back-line play.

“They don’t teach halves to play short, to play through the ruck, to work on decision-making. All these things get clouded if you have kids twice your size running at you. It’s about who can bash and barge over the line.”

There has been debate about weight divisions in junior football for years.

Many claim the disparity is because of the popularity of the game among young Pasifika players, something that Samoan, Dr David Lakisa, addressed in his recently completed PhD on Pacific Sport and Diversity Management.

A former development officer at the NSWRL, Lakisa writes: “This is a complex issue: on the one hand, non-Pasifika parents might be criticised for overreacting to the athleticism of Pasifika youth who are the same age as their children; on the other hand, researchers have argued that Pasifika adolescents typically have larger physiques and hold vastly different attitudes and ideals towards body image than their Caucasian counterparts.”

Interestingly, the NSWRL says there hasn’t been an overwhelming desire from parents to bring in weight restrictions. Some parents have expressed concerns about fat-shaming at weigh-ins while others believe it will prevent larger kids from playing.

Weight dispensations have been introduced to some junior leagues in NSW, which allow children to play down an age group if they are under a certain weight.

Some junior leagues on the NSW North Coast can use their discretion to allow players born after July to drop down an age group if necessary.

Regardless, size remains an issue in the eyes of many, and talent scouts have had to find resourceful ways to get around it when searching for playmakers.

The Raiders’ Peter Mulholland scours OzTag tournaments.

“At least they will go to the line there because they’re not scared of being dumped,” he says.

Immortal Andrew Johns tells aspiring halves to emulate the careers of Benji Marshall and Shaun Johnson.

“If I talk to any young half, I tell them to play touch footy like Benji and Shaun,” Johns says. “You can learn your trade there without being buckled in defence.”

Consider that for a moment: the halfback of the century advising young halves of the future to avoid contact rugby league.

That’s a broken system.... (TBC)
 
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Continued from the previous post (source: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...othering-creative-halves-20210430-p57np3.html) -

Threatened species: How size and cut-and-paste coaching are smothering creative halves
By Andrew Webster


APRIL 30, 2021 (Part 2)

The price of ambition

A couple of years ago, Ivan Cleary watched a junior team’s training session from afar.

For half an hour, he saw a coach put his side through a gruelling opposed session, with spilt halves standing on the left and right of the ruck, running plays that had been clearly cut-and-pasted from an NRL team.

The players were 12 years old.

“I’m passionate about this issue,” he says. “Rugby league coaching at a junior level has becomes so NRL-like it’s ridiculous. I was once at an under-8s game and this kid was a natural offloader of the ball but his coach was on the sideline screaming out, ‘Don’t pass the ball!’

“Rugby league is a game, unlike other games, that you can win purely by size and strength. At junior level, you don’t have to be skilful. And many of these coaches just want to win. My younger son [Jett] is 16. He learnt more playing union and OzTag because he could roam around the field.”

So it’s not just about size but coaching ambition.

Leading player agent Sam Ayoub has had some of the best halves in the game’s history on his books, most notably Johnathan Thurston.

He reckons the issue is a NSW problem because NRL clubs have too much influence on junior teams.

“They’re coaching the daylights out of their players here in NSW, whereas in Queensland they’re not in a structured NRL system,” Ayoub says. “I can tell you because I see it all the time. I could pick three young halves in Cairns, in Townsville, in Mackay who haven’t come through those systems who are standouts because they just play football, as they should.”

Barnes does his best to buck that trend. For example, in trial matches he’ll prevent players from running block plays.

“You do things out of the ordinary to teach them things,” he says. “I’m a skills coach, not a wrestle coach. That’s what I believe in. I leave that to someone else because my heart’s not in it. I’m about gripping the ball properly, passing the ball properly.”

Former Penrith general manager Phil Gould identified these issues more than a decade ago when he established a halves academy, although it no longer exists.

He brought in Trent Barrett to run some sessions. Among the first teenagers through the door were Nathan Cleary and Jarome Luai, the current halves for the Panthers.

“The halfback is born,” Barrett says. “The only one out of the box has been Cooper Cronk. As soon as I saw [Warriors rookie] Reece Walsh touch the ball the other night I thought, ‘Here we go’. He moves like a six. So does Kalyn Ponga. Dylan Brown is another. They don’t have to think – they’re born halves. You’re just hoping these types of players get a coach at a young age who can nurture their skill, their left to right pass, their kick.”

When Barrett was learning his trade at the Dragons under David Waite, the game was flush with playmakers: Johns, Brad Fittler, Brett Kimmorley, Scott Hill, Darren Lockyer, Craig Gower, Craig Wing …

All of them could play either seven or six, centre, lock or hooker. In the modern era, many players are less skilful.

“You’d be amazed how many first-graders can’t spiral pass left to right,” Barrett says.

The Dearden dilemma
Tom Dearden can’t play.

That has been the line coming out of the Broncos for the past fortnight after one of their brightest young prospects signed with the Cowboys for $1m.

It wildly conflicts with the intelligence coming out of junior footy only a few years ago.

“When I saw Dearden as a 16-year-old, he was playing off-the-cuff football all of the time,” former South Sydney head of football Shane Richardson says. “Everyone knew Sam Walker would be a superstar, but everyone thought the same of Tom Dearden.

“It’s bullshit to say there’s a lack of halves. It’s a matter of where they end up and who coaches them. You need a quality coach with patience. As John Lang would say, ‘if you bring a young half into a team, you have to leave them there’. They didn’t do that with Dearden.”

Not that long ago, Dearden was at the front of a long line of quality young playmakers at Red Hill. He played for Queensland under-18s in 2018.

The Broncos also stockpiled Tanah Boyd (now at the Titans), Sean O’Sullivan (now at the Warriors) and Cory Paix (who is being groomed as a hooker).

What would have happened to these players if Wayne Bennett hadn’t been shoved out the door and Anthony Seibold, and now Kevin Walters, brought in?

Erratic coaching has cruelled Dearden, who was told he was going to be the starting halfback this season right up until round one when Brodie Croft, who the Storm gladly let go 18 months ago, was selected instead.

The same head games have been played with five-eighth Anthony Milford, who is a shadow of the player he was under Bennett three years ago.

Three weeks ago, after the loss to Souths, Walters said, “I like what I saw from Milford tonight”, then dropped him. Last week, after Milford turned out for South Logan in the Intrust Super Cup, Walters said he “wasn’t up to standard”, but has picked him for the match against the Titans on Friday night.

The Dearden dilemma is symbolic of what happens at other clubs, who show little patience.

Elsewhere, other coaches simply turn their halves into robots.

For all the criticism levelled at Ivan Cleary for the way he left the Wests Tigers, people easily forget the form of halfback Luke Brooks on his watch when he was named Dally M Halfback of the Year in 2018.

“I told him to run the ball because that’s his strength,” Cleary says. “I’m not sure what he’s doing now.”

The future
Mention the term “eyes up footy” to Andrew Johns and watch his eyes roll back into his head in anger.

“I hate it: eyes up footy,” he grumbles. “Your eyes should be up all the time. That term is just a cop-out from people who don’t know what they’re talking about. A proper halfback should always react to the defence.”

The upside of the quicker ruck from the new six-to-go rules has been the re-emergence of the creative half playing what is in front of him. Witness the form of Benji Marshall at the age of 36, and the emergence of Sam Walker at 18.

“The slower ruck from the wrestle meant you had to play your set plays to get around teams,” Johns says. “Now, with the quicker play-the-ball, the best halves are standing up again. The best teams with the best halves who don’t play structured football are the ones going well.”

And that’s when rugby league is at its best: when it’s unpredictable, played with flair, much like Johns and his brother Matthew at a sun-bathed Marathon Stadium on a Sunday afternoon.

“Although you’re being paid as a professional, you play your best when you’re playing like it’s a pastime,” Matthew said recently.

The Johns boys played like they were in the backyard, like nobody was watching – much like Cleary and Luai play now.

“We were fortunate growing up,” Nathan says. “That sort of football was encouraged. The boys I’m playing with now, we’re very grateful for the coaches we’ve had.”

Could his career have started and ended at one match for the Mt Albert Lions under-11s if not for the restricted weight divisions of New Zealand rugby league?

“I probably would’ve kept playing because I just love the game so much,” he says. “But there were other kids who just couldn’t get into the game.”
 

siv

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It feels like coaching development is a hidden issue of culling NYC and reserve grade
 

Perth Red

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Hmmm so we have Hughes, Munster, Cleary, Luai, walker, plus plus plus but there’s a problem developing halves? I mean there’s always been great halves, ok halves and poor halves, it’s a skilful arguably hardest positions in RL, and how good the pack in front of you is plays a big part to how good you look.
 

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There is never more than 3-4 great halves in the comp at any given time, because it is light years harder to be a great half than to be some battering ram second rower. It’s hardly a shock that it’s difficult to develop good halves given how hard it is to actually play that position.


I’m sure Webster thought himself quite the intellectual for coming up with this notion though. Andrew Webster 100% loves smelling his own farts and probably takes photos of his best poos.
 
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At 6 there’s plenty of creative talent in the current comp. At 7 it’s a different story..,

When Cronk retired we saw the end of an era - truly great halfbacks playing in the NRL. Once he left... we’ve got promising halfbacks, some average ones... but no true greats going around.

Cherry Evans n Cleary are the origin halves and arguably the two best 7’s in the comp. But where would they rank of the best 7’s in the history of rugby league.....
 

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At 6 there’s plenty of creative talent in the current comp. At 7 it’s a different story..,

When Cronk retired we saw the end of an era - truly great halfbacks playing in the NRL. Once he left... we’ve got promising halfbacks, some average ones... but no true greats going around.

Cherry Evans n Cleary are the origin halves and arguably the two best 7’s in the comp. But where would they rank of the best 7’s in the history of rugby league.....

hughes is better than DCE this year, I’d say he is better so far this year than cronk in his last year for Storm. Cronk was mr reliable but Hughes has more X factor.

point still stands that Webster claims the game isn’t producing good half backs when it clearly is.
 

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hughes is better than DCE this year, I’d say he is better so far this year than cronk in his last year for Storm. Cronk was mr reliable but Hughes has more X factor.

point still stands that Webster claims the game isn’t producing good half backs when it clearly is.
Hughes isn't a traditional half though, he is a fullback and Bellamy is a genius at getting the most out of this type of player.

Actual halfbacks it's pretty lean if DCE is top 2.
 

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At 6 there’s plenty of creative talent in the current comp. At 7 it’s a different story..,

When Cronk retired we saw the end of an era - truly great halfbacks playing in the NRL. Once he left... we’ve got promising halfbacks, some average ones... but no true greats going around.

Cherry Evans n Cleary are the origin halves and arguably the two best 7’s in the comp. But where would they rank of the best 7’s in the history of rugby league.....

You can have all time great halves playing every era. That completely belies the notion of there being all time great halves to begin with.

right now we are in an era of f**king unbelievable fullbacks. There is not a period in league history that had a class as good as Teddy, Latrell, Pap, and Turbo. Those 4 would have walked into the Australian no.1 jersey at any other time in history
 
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hughes is better than DCE this year, I’d say he is better so far this year than cronk in his last year for Storm. Cronk was mr reliable but Hughes has more X factor.

point still stands that Webster claims the game isn’t producing good half backs when it clearly is.

Hughes is a good halfback... arguably better performed than Cherry Evans this year but more the point...

I agree with Webster but more that right now is (IMO) the worst era of halfbacks I can recall. My theory (not fact) is that the current crop of halfbacks have come through the ranks when “structure” etc was in vogue.... creativity and instinct watered down in favour of statistics, playing the odds, routes, block plays, working towards field position.. all that...

Like wine... what you see now is the product of the environment from years ago. And that’s why I feel we are seeing what we are seeing now in halfbacks... they are the product of surpressing creativity..

Nowadays, the biggest attacking threat for most teams - the biggest danger to the opposition... is the fullback. It used to be 7, and 6 not far behind. But now the fullback is the man here.... the evolution of this position has been incredible....

So it’s not as though the overall attack of teams is lacking these days... it’s just the 7’s arent the biggest attacking weapons in the comp. There aren’t any greats in the modern game.

This is the halfbacks class of the current
competition... (primary 7’s).

Hampton
Dearden
Taylor
Pearce
Cherry Evans
Lam
Brooks
Flanagan
Moses
Cleary
Reynolds
Hunt
Townsend
Williams
Hughes
Nikorima

Who of these are, or will potentially be, considered amongst the great halfbacks of the game...?

Many are good, some of the good better than others, but none are great IMO. But we are fortunate that we have the best era of fullbacks the game has ever seen.
 
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You can have all time great halves playing every era. That completely belies the notion of there being all time great halves to begin with.

right now we are in an era of f**king unbelievable fullbacks. There is not a period in league history that had a class as good as Teddy, Latrell, Pap, and Turbo. Those 4 would have walked into the Australian no.1 jersey at any other time in history

see post above.

fullbacks are off the charts. But who currently playing 7 could be considered an all time great 7...

IMO... none. Many good ones, some promising, but no greats.
 
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Hughes isn't a traditional half though, he is a fullback and Bellamy is a genius at getting the most out of this type of player.

Actual halfbacks it's pretty lean if DCE is top 2.

Absolutely agree. On the Bellamy comment, Cooper Cronk was originally a hooker, who Bellamy fashioned into a 7....
 

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see post above.

fullbacks are off the charts. But who currently playing 7 could be considered an all time great 7...

IMO... none. Many good ones, some promising, but no greats.
see post above.

fullbacks are off the charts. But who currently playing 7 could be considered an all time great 7...

IMO... none. Many good ones, some promising, but no greats.

who would you say were great number 7’s of the generation before this crop?
Since late 2000’s I’d say the position has changed to be more of a controlling position, with the 6’s and since slater the 1’s becoming the “eyes up” attacking ball in hand players. Hughes this year is one of the first 7’s for a long time that is successfully taking the line on and making gaps for others rather than just controlling the game and leaving it the six and fb to create something, probably because he came though as a fb.
 
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who would you say were great number 7’s of the generation before this crop?
Since late 2000’s I’d say the position has changed to be more of a controlling position, with the 6’s and since slater the 1’s becoming the “eyes up” attacking ball in hand players. Hughes this year is one of the first 7’s for a long time that is successfully taking the line on and making gaps for others rather than just controlling the game and leaving it the six and fb to create something, probably because he came though as a fb.

Great 7’s... there’s always been at least one great 7 playing in the comp up until recently... my memory going back to the early 80’s....

They are.... in a “roughly” reverse chronological order (from when the played in the NRL/ARL/NSWRL...

Cronk
Thurston
Johns
Jones
Toovey
Stuart
Langer
Alexander
Sterling
Mortimer
Raudonikis

To me, these are the guys who are the elite. At any given time from when Cronk retired , at least one of these 7’s was playing in the NRL back to the 70’s... ie - there was always at least one truly all-time great halfback going around in the comp...

Slater changed the face of the fullback position. No doubt. He made the role an absolute ace up the sleeve in attack and I think it’s absurd that people bag him. Simpleton stuff...

While it may have evolved that way in time anyway.. and there were other truly sensational attacking fullbacks like Peachey n Bowen around during/before his time....Slater is the guy who truly made the #1 jersey what it is today.... an attacking weapon, with the highest depth n breadth of talent across any position in the comp.

Tedesco
Trbojevic
Papenhuyzen
Mitchell
Tuivasa Scheck
Brimson
Nicol-Klokstad
Dufty
Gutherson

Just look at that list - all playing in the comp at the same time...

Imagine if we had similar quality n depth of halfbacks playing right now... it would be absolutely incredible ...
 

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Great 7’s... there’s always been at least one great 7 playing in the comp up until recently... my memory going back to the early 80’s....

They are.... in a “roughly” reverse chronological order (from when the played in the NRL/ARL/NSWRL...

Cronk
Thurston
Johns
Jones
Toovey
Stuart
Langer
Alexander
Sterling
Mortimer
Raudonikis

To me, these are the guys who are the elite. At any given time from when Cronk retired , at least one of these 7’s was playing in the NRL back to the 70’s... ie - there was always at least one truly all-time great halfback going around in the comp...

Slater changed the face of the fullback position. No doubt. He made the role an absolute ace up the sleeve in attack and I think it’s absurd that people bag him. Simpleton stuff...

While it may have evolved that way in time anyway.. and there were other truly sensational attacking fullbacks like Peachey n Bowen around during/before his time....Slater is the guy who truly made the #1 jersey what it is today.... an attacking weapon, with the highest depth n breadth of talent across any position in the comp.

Tedesco
Trbojevic
Papenhuyzen
Mitchell
Tuivasa Scheck
Brimson
Nicol-Klokstad
Dufty
Gutherson

Just look at that list - all playing in the comp at the same time...

Imagine if we had similar quality n depth of halfbacks playing right now... it would be absolutely incredible ...

I know its early days, but i reckon Sam Walker has the potential to go very far. I reckon what hasn't helped over the last decade or so is that halfbacks have come through the era of the wrestle, where games were stop-start affairs.

With the new rules like 6 again, it may help the next generation of halves coming through.
 

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Imagine holding up Auckland's club rugby league comp as a bastion of talent development. I get it, it's the weight restriction thing...but that's such a false narrative that Nathan wouldn't have made it, when plenty of small guys have. It's a proving ground if anything, if you can stand up to the big boys at that age and find ways to outplay them, you're on your way.

Having said that, overstructure (a word I just created) is a major issue in professional sport. And to me, the way to get around it is creating young people who have sampled different sport, bring their own set of skills and lack of adherence to the Xs and Os of rugby league. Papynhauzen and Ponga are two great examples - incredible ball-playing evasive talents who have skills from other codes. Overcoach these young guys and expect them to specalise at a young age in league, and they lack vision and an ability to read the game. They play a boring, paint by numbers game which is what Webster is citing, and what most clubs get out of their 7.
 

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And as someone said, we have an absolute overload of great No.1s, quite a few who would be very good NRL halves if their team decided that was the best fit for them.
 

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