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Top five packs in the NRL

getsmarty

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Top five packs in the NRL


Thu 07 Jan, 2016, 9:00am
By Chris Kennedy *, National Correspondent, NRL.com

While outside backs make the highlight reels and playmakers win the plaudits, anyone involved in rugby league will tell you it's your forward packs that win you games. We've taken a look at what we think are the five best all-round packs in the NRL and it's no surprise a good pack translates to on-field success.
5. Bulldogs
One of the biggest packs going around, the Bulldogs stop their size being a weakness by virtue of the huge workrate of starting props Aiden Tolman and skipper James Graham, who has claims to being one of the best in the world in his position. Sam Kasiano off the bench is one of the biggest players in the NRL but one of the most skilful big men you'll ever see, with soft hands and great vision. Blues forward Josh Jackson was a deserved Dally M second rower of the year while Kiwi international lock Greg Eastwood doesn't get the plaudits he deserves. Toss is towering youngster Shaun Lane, underrated prop Tim Browne and former Kangaroo Tony Williams to come back from injury and you have one mighty intimidating pack.
4. Sea Eagles
How did this happen? You take a stack of international forwards (Watmough, King, Glenn Stewart et al) out of a pack and no doubt they'll struggle. For years, you'd think. Not Manly, who after an underwhelming 2015 where their pack was exposed, just went out and bought three more internationals in Maroons and Kangaroos hardman Nate Myles, Kiwi firebrand Marty Taupau and New Zealand utility Lewis Brown. With Brenton Lawrence and Jamie Buhrer to return from injury in 2016, hyper-impressive youngster Jake Trbojevic getting better seemingly by the minute, a stack of depth in Tom Symonds, Feleti Mateo, Blake Leary and more, Manly's forward woes and well and truly behind them.
3. Broncos
Proving that size isn't everything, Brisbane made the 2015 Grand Final with one of the smallest packs in the NRL. The upside for them was mobility and endurance; their line speed and speed around the ruck as well as their energy late in contests was a constant challenge for opponents. Things will only get better for Wayne Bennett's forwards under the reduced interchange environment of 2016. A stack of internationals in Sam Thaiday, Matt Gillett, Corey Parker, Josh McGuire, Alex Glenn and Adam Blair plus a few promising youngsters will see the Broncos at the pointy end of the ladder once again next year.
2. Roosters
You can often judge the strength of a side by its bench and by that measure the Tricolours are arguably the strongest. Sam Moa, Sio Siua Taukeiaho, Mitchell Aubusson and Kane Evans could all be starting from the pine next year behind Jared Waerea-Hargreaves (arguably the form prop in the world last year before his ACL injury), Kiwi lock Isaac Liu and Origin stars Aidan Guerra and Boyd Cordner as well as future Maroon Dylan Napa. The relentlessness of the Roosters' bench forwards made them one of the few sides not to lose tempo midway through the first half in 2015 and it will be a strength once again next year.
1. Cowboys
While they had one of the greatest playmakers in history apply the finishing touches, North Queensland's pack laid the foundation for the club's breakthrough premiership in 2015. It started up front with Kangaroos props Matt Scott and James Tamou; the former the best in the world over the past five years, the latter bouncing back strongly from a serious neck injury. Dally M lock of the year Jason Taumalolo was a huge handful with his monstrous carries, Gavin Cooper was a true professional holding the left edge together in attack and defence, and Ben Hannant enjoyed a career renaissance. The ever-improving Ethan Lowe and John Asiata and future star Coen Hess round out what will be a great pack once again in 2016.


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Not sure whether they are the best 5 packs in the league but they are all stronger than us. Shows how much road we still need to make up and a top 4 finish (as some are predicting) seems unlikely to me. The standard of our coaching staff doesn't exactly help the situation.

Baby steps, I guess.

Straight Shooter
 

Jubileeboy

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I'll take a semi finals berth in 6th place. Anyone else?
From there it's a whole new ball game.
 

zombiebloodlust

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"A whole new ball game" is a nice fun cliche to throw around. However, facts show that under the current finals system, you need to finish in the TOP THREE to win the comp. This rule also proves true in the AFL, who have used this finals system since 2000.
 

Jubileeboy

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"A whole new ball game" is a nice fun cliche to throw around. However, facts show that under the current finals system, you need to finish in the TOP THREE to win the comp. This rule also proves true in the AFL, who have used this finals system since 2000.

Ok then. I'll tell them not to bother.

#daretodream#
 

zombiebloodlust

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Christ. All I'm saying is you need to aim higher than 6th, and the facts bear this out. The "whole new ball game" adage really doesn't ring true, at all.
 

BrissyRedV

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These are probably close to the top 5 starting packs. Have a look at the benches for some of those teams as well as depth and it does not all look as good. We have a more than serviceable pack that will match it with these packs and we have quality depth that a lot of teams cannot match even in this top 5.
 

Mr Red

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I'm surprised Souths aren't in that list. With Sam burgess back you get one of the best forwards in the world, however his true value is that every other forward he plays with also lifts 20%...
It's no coincedence that without burgess the rest of Souths pack were also below their best last season, this will change in 2016.... At least rated higher than the Eagles pack IMO
Perhaps the loss of Isaac Luke has the reporter spooked....
 
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Cagey Mac

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I think that we have a middle of the road pack based individual player history to date that must bear some weight.
We have however more potential upside than any pack in the comp. So many stories of potential resurrection. If even half of them come to fruition, we climb the ladder. If we can combine the synergies gained from a culture fed by dogged determination, we can be frightening.

Please consider
Leeson Au Mau: Pure quality and getting better
Mike Cooper: Stepped up into the England pack and will add that factor to his growth
Russell Packer: One who was NRL standard despite being off the rails. A new man, a fitter man, a new work ethic, a team man and a point to prove
Mose Mosoe: The biggest man in the NRL in a talented and motivated pack. Grand Final experience. A wrecking ball with skill and explosive power. Also has a point to prove.
Ben Creagh: A great player who will again play his part.
Tyson Frizell: Will play origin in 2016 in my opinion.
Joel Thompson: Fast and strong and fringe origin.
Mitch Rein: Is one of the better hookers in the NRL. Is under more pressure than ever. Will be better in 2016
Silivia Havilli: Raw talent. Big and capable and will keep Rein honest

Then there’s the depth. Better than ever and fighting for FG spots.
The fact that our centres will be bigger and stronger and working in tandem with edge forwards.

We may indeed have a pack that’s outside the top 5 packs at the start of the season but I’m betting that this won't be the case by season's end.
 

giboz71

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I think depth is the key - we have one of the deepest forward rosters in the comp.

Mathews, Lui, Marketo and Ikahihifo all have solid FG experience. And McCarthy has decent Super League experience as well.

With everyone healthy, all these guys won't get a look in, but the need for guys playing busted won't be a problem any more.

Playing Thompson in that last game cost us.
 
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Vasilevsky

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I think that we have a middle of the road pack based individual player history to date that must bear some weight.
We have however more potential upside than any pack in the comp. So many stories of potential resurrection. If even half of them come to fruition, we climb the ladder. If we can combine the synergies gained from a culture fed by dogged determination, we can be frightening.

Please consider
Leeson Au Mau: Pure quality and getting better
Mike Cooper: Stepped up into the England pack and will add that factor to his growth
Russell Packer: One who was NRL standard despite being off the rails. A new man, a fitter man, a new work ethic, a team man and a point to prove
Mose Mosoe: The biggest man in the NRL in a talented and motivated pack. Grand Final experience. A wrecking ball with skill and explosive power. Also has a point to prove.
Ben Creagh: A great player who will again play his part.
Tyson Frizell: Will play origin in 2016 in my opinion.
Joel Thompson: Fast and strong and fringe origin.
Mitch Rein: Is one of the better hookers in the NRL. Is under more pressure than ever. Will be better in 2016
Silivia Havilli: Raw talent. Big and capable and will keep Rein honest

Then there?s the depth. Better than ever and fighting for FG spots.
The fact that our centres will be bigger and stronger and working in tandem with edge forwards.

We may indeed have a pack that?s outside the top 5 packs at the start of the season but I?m betting that this won't be the case by season's end.

Havilli will have to improve a lot to come close to the first grade team. If Rein still can't pass consistently well from dummy half, I hope the club is looking at the Tigers hooker. The guy who was supposed to take over from Farah (is his name Cherington?).
 

Cagey Mac

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I think depth is the key - we have one of the deepest forward rosters in the comp.

Mathews, Lui, Marketo and Ikahihifo all have solid FG experience. And McCarthy has decent Super League experience as well.

With everyone healthy, all these guys won't get a look in, but the need for guys playing busted won't be a problem any more.

Playing Thompson in that last game cost us.

Agreed on Thompson, wasn't Matthews out injured at the time?

I reckon too that we have spent a lot of time in opposition red zones but unable to crack the line. The lack of giant forwards able to send opponents splaying like tenpins meant that they could man up on our outside backs without fear. Mosoe and Packer and others will change that dynamic substantially, creating holes for others.
 

Forster Dragon

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What a load of crap pre-determining the best 5 packs before the season has started.There are so many variables to account for and lets see how things go after a couple of rounds.
 

hardbaby

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I'd back our 10 (including the bench) over most teams and I'd back our 13 best forwards to cover injury better than any team. It's a long season. Our pigs will do well.
 
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