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Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

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Misanthrope

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This Gaza situation gets worse by the day, and it's almost entirely one way traffic.

Israel shelled a UN run school yesterday, killing 15 women and children. Stay classy.
 

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An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old. The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month.
A tape recording of radio exchanges between soldiers involved in the incident, played on Israeli television, contradicts the army's account of the events and appears to show that the captain shot the girl in cold blood.
The official account claimed that Iman was shot as she walked towards an army post with her schoolbag because soldiers feared she was carrying a bomb.
But the tape recording of the radio conversation between soldiers at the scene reveals that, from the beginning, she was identified as a child and at no point was a bomb spoken about nor was she described as a threat. Iman was also at least 100 yards from any soldier.
Instead, the tape shows that the soldiers swiftly identified her as a "girl of about 10" who was "scared to death".
The tape also reveals that the soldiers said Iman was headed eastwards, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot.
At that point, Captain R took the unusual decision to leave the post in pursuit of the girl. He shot her dead and then "confirmed the kill" by emptying his magazine into her body.
The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.
The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."
Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"
Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."
A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts.
The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."
The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless.
Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."
Witnesses described how the captain shot Iman twice in the head, walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body. Doctors at Rafah's hospital said she had been shot at least 17 times.
On the tape, the company commander then "clarifies" why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."
The army's original account of the killing said that the soldiers only identified Iman as a child after she was first shot. But the tape shows that they were aware just how young the small, slight girl was before any shots were fired.
The case came to light after soldiers under the command of Captain R went to an Israeli newspaper to accuse the army of covering up the circumstances of the killing.
A subsequent investigation by the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically".
However, the military police launched an investigation, which resulted in charges against the unit commander.
Iman's parents have accused the army of whitewashing the affair by filing minor charges against Captain R. They want him prosecuted for murder.
Record of a shooting
Watchtower
'It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward'
Operations room
'Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?'
Watchtower
'A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death'
Captain R (after killing the girl)
'Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed'

SOURCE: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel
 

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That's the problem with this situation. The Hamas and Zionist are always going at each other, innocents get caught in the cross-fire. It's never ending. Even if they do agree to peace, or a cease-fire, some extremist will take it into his own hands to knock-off a few innocents then it's back to square one. That's the problem with that region - it's built on a history of revenge, violence and bloodshed.

They will never solve the issue, even if the UN intervene, this crisis will forever continue. The only end in site is for one true Palestine or Israel state to exist, and the other non-existent. They had their chance to both live peacefully on the land many years ago and it didn't work back then, given the tensions, and history of the conflict there is zero chance of that happening now.

Before the Hamas there were Fedayeen raiders, before them there were individual extremists. It's never ending. Eliminate the Hamas (or Zionists) someone (or group) will take their/its place.
 

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get them to have a game of soccer (only thing i can think fo that both sides play), 2 leg final, winner takes everything, loser moves to antartica.
 

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Based on behaviour, I vote for a Palestinian state. Israel can f**k off.

Because I'm sure a power, developed and settled Israel state will so willingly give up their land. As I said, it's to late for that. They just need to find a better resolution now. The UN need to sit down both parties and work something out.
 

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Someone suggested creating Israel in desert WA back in the 40s. Think that would have been better for all involved.
 

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Because I'm sure a power, developed and settled Israel state will so willingly give up their land. As I said, it's to late for that. They just need to find a better resolution now. The UN need to sit down both parties and work something out.

You're the one who just said that it couldn't be worked out :lol:

Israel have no more right to be there than the Mayans have to suddenly lay claim to swathes of Mexico.

Someone suggested creating Israel in desert WA back in the 40s. Think that would have been better for all involved.

It should have been in Germany or not at all. Punishing a people who had no involvement in the war was bizarre.

Give everyone a month's notice then nuke the whole place into oblivion for the next few hundred years

The Israelis give Palestinians notice that they're about to shell them. They just don't let them through their borders, so it's kind of a pointless warning.
 

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Nuke and pave, man. Nuke. Pave.

I think the Zionists intentions are pretty clear, obviously, they don't speak for the entirety of Israel and many Jews oppose their actions, having been victims of such atrocities at the hand of the Nazi killing machine.

Again, this is an issue that ties back to religion and cultural differences. F*cking religion, always starting shit.
 

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I think the Zionists intentions are pretty clear, obviously, they don't speak for the entirety of Israel and many Jews oppose their actions, having been victims of such atrocities at the hand of the Nazi killing machine.

Again, this is an issue that ties back to religion and cultural differences. F*cking religion, always starting shit.

I would argue, in this case, the issue arose from politics more than religion. It was the height of political stupidity to dump a bunch of Jews in the middle of a region that didn't like them overmuch to begin with.
 

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I would argue, in this case, the issue arose from politics more than religion. It was the height of political stupidity to dump a bunch of Jews in the middle of a region that didn't like them overmuch to begin with.

Jerusalem also springs to mind.
 
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