Viable option to replace Griffin or should he stay.

[betcats]

I will say this for the knights, outside of the first time we played them and last week every time I have watched them they play with more heart than we do. Nathan Brown would have us sitting in 5th or 6th I think.

 

[roofromoz]

Ivan Cleary had more success with the f**king NZ Warriors than Griffin had with broncos, and we fired Cleary and hired Griffin. Think about that, the warriors are the biggest coach killers in the league and constant underperformers and the broncos are without a doubt the powerhouses of the league in terms of money, influence and natural advantages. They spend more salary than anyone, they have better facilities than anyone and they basically just go out and sign anyone they want from the office to the squad.

When Cleary was coach, the team had a dig and gave it their all. Look at 2013 - the squad we had was far weaker than this years (in fact, I think we were predicted as wooden spoon contenders by many), and yet we were still within shot of a finals appearance with a few rounds left. We defeated a full strength Storm outfit, and to this day remains the only win in 12 years against them.

I can't see the same quality with Griffin. It seems the instructions is to use your natural ability and play what's in front of you - which is great against the weaker teams, but against the top teams, where in particular their defensive systems are far better organised, we struggle to score points. That Fox Sports article posted in another thread was hard reading, but the stats don't lie.

 

[betcats]

When Cleary was coach, the team had a dig and gave it their all. Look at 2013 - the squad we had was far weaker than this years (in fact, I think we were predicted as wooden spoon contenders by many), and yet we were still within shot of a finals appearance with a few rounds left. We defeated a full strength Storm outfit, and to this day remains the only win in 12 years against them.

I can't see the same quality with Griffin. It seems the instructions is to use your natural ability and play what's in front of you - which is great against the weaker teams, but against the top teams, where in particular their defensive systems are far better organised, we struggle to score points. That Fox Sports article posted in another thread was hard reading, but the stats don't lie.

Yep the players aren't playing for the coach that's for sure. You could see the frustration in the squad on the field on Sunday, we are up 8 nil and reacting like losers who are getting flogged to stock standard tackles.

By any measurement this season has been woeful but management seems to be desperately hoping that we will somehow fluke a top 8 finish from here.

 

[betcats]

Also as for those Griffin apologists who keep insisting its not Griffins fault our players make dumb errors and miss tackles, Graeme Hughes and Peter Tunks were saying just yesterday that everything that happens on the field is the coach's responsibility, that's two nternationals right there and they say that shit all the time when they get some dumb caller ringing up trying to say a players poor performance isn't the coach's fault. Getting a team to perform is the most important part of a coach's job ffs.

 

[roofromoz]

But the coach isn't out there missing tackles and dropping balls, blah blah blah...

 

[herbert henry1908]

Also as for those Griffin apologists who keep insisting its not Griffins fault our players make dumb errors and miss tackles, Graeme Hughes and Peter Tunks were saying just yesterday that everything that happens on the field is the coach's responsibility, that's two nternationals right there and they say that shit all the time when they get some dumb caller ringing up trying to say a players poor performance isn't the coach's fault. Getting a team to perform is the most important part of a coach's job ffs.

It staggers me some people think differently.

I mean what exactly do they think the coach's role is?

 

[Black Magik]

Also as for those Griffin apologists who keep insisting its not Griffins fault our players make dumb errors and miss tackles, Graeme Hughes and Peter Tunks were saying just yesterday that everything that happens on the field is the coach's responsibility, that's two nternationals right there and they say that shit all the time when they get some dumb caller ringing up trying to say a players poor performance isn't the coach's fault. Getting a team to perform is the most important part of a coach's job ffs.

Correct.

Case in point: Melbourne. Is it Bellamy bringing the best out of average players or the player deciding he has the ability?

 

[betcats]

It staggers me some people think differently.

I mean what exactly do they think the coach's role is?

Yep its crazy, and just to be clear I am not saying the players don't have to take responsibility for their own performance also because they do 100 percent but as a team we are error prone and soft defensively, our coach should be improving that. If he cant he has to go because we cant go out and sign 25 new players.

 

[betcats]

Correct.

Case in point: Melbourne. Is it Bellamy bringing the best out of average players or the player deciding he has the ability?

Exactly(saying that a lot today lol). Players don't just go to Melbourne and think to themselves "oh I am at Melbourne now I better stop dropping the ball and missing tackles". They just better coaching in a better environment.

 

[Fangs]

It definately falls within the coaches realm. Especially when you consider that these problems aren't a 'one-off'. Its a bunch of repeated failures, so there really is no other argument. Griffin needs to find a way to get this team playing its best football or he will see the door in 2018.

 

[ashton]

What Penrith player has improved since Griffin has taken over as Penrith coach?

I can name a stack of Penrith players that have gone backwards under Griffin eg Cartwright DWZ,Whare,Blake,TMM,Latu RCG, Kikua and plenty of others. Bellamy would turn these blokes into stars.
TMM looked very good last weekend in a Cowboys jumper under Paul Greens coaching without their two best players in Thurston and Scott.

 

[Panther_Daz]

It is so good to see Penrith fans actually demanding success and not just settling for mediocrity anymore.

Whilst it is only a small percentage of the fan base it is still refreshing to see.

 

[ashton]

If it was not for Gus Gould we would be merged with Parramatta by now.

Yes I agree Gould did save our club but that was 6 years ago and the performances have not improved since 2011 when Gould took over. Gould is also very well paid for his services somewhere around $600,000 to $700,0000 per season maybe more. Plus he has spent an absolute fortune on rugby league, yet performances on the field in NRL are no better than what they were under Matthew Elliott.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

What Penrith player has improved since Griffin has taken over as Penrith coach?

I can name a stack of Penrith players that have gone backwards under Griffin eg Cartwright DWZ,Whare,TMM,Latu RCG, Kikua and plenty of others. Bellamy would turn these blokes into stars.
TMM looked very good last weekend in a Cowboys jumper under Paul Greens coaching without their two best players in Thurston and Scott.

Yeo and Blake, and you can argue Peachey. But that is a far cry from that fluff piece that came out after we won four in a row that stated Griffin is getting the best out of all the players.

 

[Tronald Crump]

It is so good to see Penrith fans actually demanding success and not just settling for mediocrity anymore.

Whilst it is only a small percentage of the fan base it is still refreshing to see.

I have always craved success for Penrith.
It shits me that other sides make the finals year after year while we just make the finals once every now and then, and then regress the year after.
Hear the same old excuses. The coach is an idiot, injuries hurt this year, we lost our confidence. You just get sick of hearing it.
This year I had high hopes.Not BS that we could win it but I thought we would at least make the semis.

 

[ashton]

Penrith should be playing finals every year.

 

[OldPanther]

I genuinely think if we don't make the 8 they need to look at Griffin. I think it should be now but as an organisation they wouldn't do a Tigers/Taylor.

 

[martielang]

f**k what a surprise, another thread taken over by the 'Griffin out' mob. The poor old victims of this forum...

Unfortunately we are battling to make the 8 & i'm as disappointed as anyone. I've also said if we miss the 8 Griffin deserves the boot, but up until that point, he deserves the right to rectify any mistakes/the season. I'd say the same about any coach. If that's a Griffin apologist, sign me up.

It kills me to think we're likely not to play finals this year but its a small piece of a big puzzle. If first grade are still not a force in a few years time then i'd probably have a different opinion.

Gus has completely changed the club runs inside & out. The juniors are the strongest they've ever been & regardless of what people think on here, players want to play for the club. Financially & commercially we are at the strongest we've ever been & close to the strongest in Sydney. Things are on a massive upswing. For the life of me, i can't understand why anyone would want to punt the man controlling all of those things when the club is the most stable its been in decades.

Before people bring up Corey Payne, the guy was in & out the door in 4 months. Very poor appointment in hindsight (like Griffin might turn out to be) but a decision that has had no lasting affect on the club.

 

[OldPanther]

f**k what a surprise, another thread taken over by the 'Griffin out' mob. The poor old victims of this forum...

Unfortunately we are battling to make the 8 & i'm as disappointed as anyone. I've also said if we miss the 8 Griffin deserves the boot, but up until that point, he deserves the right to rectify any mistakes/the season. I'd say the same about any coach. If that's a Griffin apologist, sign me up.

It kills me to think we're likely not to play finals this year but its a small piece of a big puzzle. If first grade are still not a force in a few years time then i'd probably have a different opinion.

Gus has completely changed the club runs inside & out. The juniors are the strongest they've ever been & regardless of what people think on here, players want to play for the club. Financially & commercially we are at the strongest we've ever been & close to the strongest in Sydney. Things are on a massive upswing. For the life of me, i can't understand why anyone would want to punt the man controlling all of those things when the club is the most stable its been in decades.

Before people bring up Corey Payne, the guy was in & out the door in 4 months. Very poor appointment in hindsight (like Griffin might turn out to be) but a decision that has had no lasting affect on the club.

I don't mind Gus but Griffin needs an evaluation at some point this year. IF he does go we need an off season for any new coach.

 

[betcats]

f**k what a surprise, another thread taken over by the 'Griffin out' mob. The poor old victims of this forum...

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The thread is about replacing griffin mate so what the f**k did you expect? He has had all season to get us performing at a decent level and has failed miserably, just scraping into the 8 from here is still a failure imo. We have been shocking all year, If we do go on a run and make the 8 it will just be off the back of a hot streak, not real and consistent improvement. This is why he should of been punted when we were 2 wins from 7 games or whatever it was. Any coach who cant do better than that with our squad is not up to it.